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Like they shove their pharmaceuticals and their GMO foods. An economy based on profiting off pain and sickness

My lack of car is more due to a DUI and poverty tho

i just recently had to send a lawyer to court for me in Paramus for driving with a NJ suspended license in 1999 because it popped up when i tried to renew my license here in WA

my license was suspended in NJ more than it was not....warrants for parking tickets - they'd actually come knocking at my door looking for me for an unpaid parking ticket....

here, if you don't pay a parking ticket, it goes to collections and you can't register your car until you pay it - no drivers license suspension, no warrants, no cops knocking on your door

"driving is a privledge in NJ and we will take that privledge away unless you pay"

it's the great state of extortionists


the worst cops in the country are in NJ
 
1) Did you watch the twitter video?

2) Are you American? I'm not saying other countries don't have racists because I know they do. I'm just trying to determine if you have any clue as to what you are talking about. If you don't understand the premise of what BLM means as a mostly American phenomenon, then you probably just wouldn't understand the complexity of what Kanye West did. I will see if I can explain.

So let's take race completely out of it for a moment and draw an analogy by looking at poverty vs wealth. If someone witnessed how the entire capitalist system itself is based upon infinite growth built on the exploitation of poor people, then one could create a rallying cry that said, "Poor Lives Matter!" Just by saying that phrase does not actually take anything away from rich people. Hell, they already have everything anyways. The phrase is meant to bring attention to the fact that poor people are being taken advantage of by society and that we all should make an effort to achieve a little more equity. The following meme actually perfectly illustrates the absurdity of the All Lives Matter movement:

all-lives.jpg


Now imagine if, instead of the crowd saying "All Lives Matter" to Jesus, that they said "Wealthy Lives Matter." Are you following me yet? While All Lives Matter is meant to take the wind from the sails of poor people by taking the focus off them, Wealthy Lives Matter goes above and beyond that and is simply a kick in the teeth to poor people.

To say All Lives Matter in the context of race in America is to completely miss the point of the struggle black people have faced in the US for centuries. Less than 50 years ago we still had water fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, etc. segregated with signs that said Whites Only and Blacks Only. This is in the lifetimes of many of our parents and all of our grandparents. For Kanye West and known race baiter Candace Owens to wear shirts saying White Lives Matter would be similar to Samuel L Jackson (black) holding a sign that said "I hate n-word" instead of Bruce Willis (white) in the racist photo Electrum posted. It just doesn't make sense and the only conclusion I can come to is that Candace Owens is trolling and Kanye West is stupid.

To come full circle, Donald Trump has Nazis and American Confederate wannabes proudly show up at his rallies yet Kanye still wears a MAGA hat. Much like Herschel Walker in the Georgia senate race, I think white conservatives are taking advantage of Kanye and exploiting his stupidity to further their own racist agenda by saying, "Well Kanye feels this way so all black people should feel the same." When in reality they don't and they see through the facade, hence the twitter statement from a black guy calling out Kanye for placating white racists.

So in the context of American conservative evangelical Christian Nationalist MAGA republicans who are notorious hypocrites and xenophobes, the following meme kind of sums it up:

ALM.jpg


3) Of course I don't believe all white people are racist. And to answer your question, I'm half Mexican but take after my dad with white skin. So all my life I've heard other white people (not all of them) make racist jokes and comments about Mexicans around me because they only saw my white skin and didn't realize they were insulting my mother, grandparents, and half my lineage. All my dad's immediate and extended family are either dead or live in different parts of the country so I never knew them. All my mom's relatives lived in my home town, so I honestly feel more Mexican than Anglo based on the simple fact that I was raised within the confines of the Mexican half of my family. So yes, even a person with white skin can experience racism from other white people because my culture goes deeper than my skin.

I didn't watch any video. I am just discussing a guy who allegedly had a specific T-shirt on. Sounds simple enough. Do you think i need to see footage of it to understand it?

No i'm not american, but the whole world is familiar with american controversies and the history behind them. You don't have to teach me that. My country is the little brother of USA and white people here even have proxy guilt for american slavery. There is no lack of acquaintance with these themes and frankly for you to assume that is yet another example of american self-centeredness.

Your post is very long yet fails to contain answers to my simple questions. I was just wondering whether making such a statement is to be seen as racist or sympathetic to racism. I don't think it is and you're not really explaining your case either. You're just riling up emotions. Closest thing to an argument in your post is "blacks were openly discriminated 50 years ago so of course a black man is stupid today if he says white lives matter". Close but no cigar. If we have to throw in all context, let us also remember that 1. BLM was a violent looting movement that exposed the worst sides of afro american culture, and 2. Blacks in america are themselves more dangerous to blacks in america than whites are.

White people are not rich people. Rich people are all rich. White people are just somewhat richer on average. The comparison fails.

"Are you following me yet?" <-- What if it's you who needs to learn, to follow?

Do you really think Kanye is stupid just for not agreeing with activists for his own ethnic group? I think Kanye is a very overrated musician, but i have seen no indications of below average intelligence in the guy. What if a black man can have analytical intellectual opinions that don't necessarily align with the most vocal advocates of his ethnic collective? ...White people do that all the time, but Kanye is somehow stupid for it? Do you mean you conclude he has below average intelligence? Is that an argument? You know it's circular reasoning, right?
 
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I didn't watch any video. I am just discussing a guy who allegedly had a specific T-shirt on. Sounds simple enough. Do you think i need to see footage of it to understand it?
Well you specifically attacked a twitter statement attached to a video without watching the video that gives it context. So at best you were just giving an uneducated opinion of the tweet. I honestly don't know what goes on in your mind, so I don't know if the video footage would help you understand or not. But the video does go hand in hand with the twitter statement, so to condemn one without watching the other shows you don't care about the whole story before attacking it.
No i'm not american, but the whole world is familiar with american controversies and the history behind them. You don't have to teach me that. My country is the little brother of USA and white people here even have proxy guilt for american slavery. There is no lack of acquaintance with these themes and frankly for you to assume that is yet another example of american self-centeredness.
Sorry to appear American-centered. This kind of goes back to the video though, which you have not watched. And like I said in my post you quoted, I know racism exists in other countries but I don't know if other countries have similar movements to BLM.
Your post is very long yet fails to contain answers to my simple questions. I was just wondering whether making such a statement is to be seen as racist or sympathetic to racism.
Sorry for the long post but the subject is complex and needed explaining. And my post did contain answers to your question, which may have been lost due of the length of the post.
I don't think it is and you're not really explaining your case either. You're just riling up emotions. Closest thing to an argument in your post is "blacks were openly discriminated 50 years ago so of course a black man is stupid today if he says white lives matter". Close but no cigar. If we have to throw in all context, let us also remember that 1. BLM was a violent looting movement that exposed the worst sides of afro american culture, and 2. Blacks in america are themselves more dangerous to blacks in america than whites are.
Once again, the story is more complex than what you are saying or what the mainstream media reported. For instance, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where the riots began, the BLM protestors were PEACEFUL marchers simply walking down the street holding signs. I watched a video on reddit of the first instigator of property damage, it was a white guy with a hammer who broke the windows of an AutoZone store. The PEACEFUL BLM marchers begged him to stop but he threatened them with the hammer until they backed away. A woman came forward and stated that the masked white guy who started all the property damage was her ex-boyfriend who was an off duty police officer. His motive for property damage was to make the BLM protests appear to be violent and once the property damage started, young people unaffiliated with the BLM movement began burning and looting as an opportunistic means to cause trouble. These types of things happened all over, where peaceful BLM protests exploded into riots and looting that had nothing to do with the original protests. But the conservatives and mainstream media made a direct connection with BLM protestors and all the property damage so it appeared that one started the other.
White people are not rich people. Rich people are all rich. White people are just somewhat richer on average. The comparison fails.
I'm sorry you did not follow my comparison. I did however say that it was an analogy and the rich vs poor had NOTHING to do race. That's what an analogy is meant to be; a comparison of two different things. It was meant to compare the "all lives" vs "some lives" argument without race playing a factor. It had absolutely nothing to do with rich people supposedly being white as you say.
Do you really think Kanye is stupid just for not agreeing with activists for his own ethnic group? I think Kanye is a very overrated musician, but i have seen no indications of below average intelligence in the guy. What if a black man can have analytical intellectual opinions that don't necessarily align with the most vocal advocates of his ethnic collective? ...White people do that all the time, but Kanye is somehow stupid for it? Do you mean you conclude he has below average intelligence? Is that an argument? You know it's circular reasoning, right?
I think Kanye West is stupid for many reasons above and beyond wearing the T shirt. I feel the T shirt fiasco is just further reinforcement of his stupidity. I think he is stupid for how he stalks and lies about his ex wife Kim Kardashian on twitter and instagram. I can't stand the Kardashians or anything they stand for but he is airing his dirty laundry in public and it only makes him look bad. I think he is stupid (and racist) for the antisemitic comments he made last week that got him banned from twitter and instagram. If you haven't seen that, here is the quote:

I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE. The funny thing is I actually can’t be Anti Semitic because black people are actually Jew also You guys have toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone whoever opposes your agenda.

Of course he claims the statement is not antisemitic but Jewish groups feel otherwise and I take their word over his.

Now that I've typed all this, maybe I'm off base calling him stupid because he is clearly and admittedly mentally ill. However, I'm mentally ill and I don't say racist things all the time nor do I stalk anyone. Maybe he is stupid for not taking his meds, I don't know. I guess I should be more sensitive to people whose perceptions are not currently grounded in reality but damn, he makes the rest of us people experiencing mental illness look bad.
 
Once again, the story is more complex than what you are saying or what the mainstream media reported. For instance, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where the riots began, the BLM protestors were PEACEFUL marchers simply walking down the street holding signs. I watched a video on reddit of the first instigator of property damage, it was a white guy with a hammer who broke the windows of an AutoZone store. The PEACEFUL BLM marchers begged him to stop but he threatened them with the hammer until they backed away. A woman came forward and stated that the masked white guy who started all the property damage was her ex-boyfriend who was an off duty police officer. His motive for property damage was to make the BLM protests appear to be violent and once the property damage started, young people unaffiliated with the BLM movement began burning and looting as an opportunistic means to cause trouble. These types of things happened all over, where peaceful BLM protests exploded into riots and looting that had nothing to do with the original protests. But the conservatives and mainstream media made a direct connection with BLM protestors and all the property damage so it appeared that one started the other.

That's how every protest that turns into a riot goes

you can say the same thing about Jan 6th.....or you can go back to the WTO riots - they all start out peaceful

as long as you have enough people, it's pretty easy to start a riot - especially with young people - they love a good riot

people just start trying to out-do one another and before you know it, there's a cinder block going through police car's windshield

it's just how it goes :shrug:
 
That's how every protest that turns into a riot goes

you can say the same thing about Jan 6th.....or you can go back to the WTO riots - they all start out peaceful

as long as you have enough people, it's pretty easy to start a riot - especially with young people - they love a good riot

people just start trying to out-do one another and before you know it, there's a cinder block going through police car's windshield

it's just how it goes :shrug:
I agree with this with the exception of Jan 6.

I've seen enough mountains of evidence, video, and testimony from watching all 9 Committee hearings to know without a shadow of a doubt that while the protest started out peaceful at the Stop the Steal rally, the people who invaded the capitol were the same people. This was all planned and premeditated including groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers who had every intention of attempting the coup before the date of Jan 6 ever rolled around. The insurrectionists were NOT a bunch of opportunistic anarchist kids acting against the intentions of the rally attendees.
 
i wouldn't call him a sell-out - sounds like he switched sides or he's just going with what or who he likes at the moment


today's democrats are completely sold-out to the pharmaceutical companies - that's as bad as it gets
 
Joe Rogan is the textbook definition of a sellout. He went from being a Bernie supporter to supporting DeSantis within 4 years. I guess a $100M Spotify contract will do that to people. Gotta hang on to that dough.
Or maybe, like a very large number of people he realizes the left is becoming bat shit and is acting accordingly, like a rational human being
 
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