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Some would say that you ought to be able to say white lives matter because the statement is inherently true and that it should be taken at face value

but others think it's a dog whistle, or that it's a loaded statement, and shouldn't be taken at face value
 
Some would say that you ought to be able to say white lives matter because the statement is inherently true and that it should be taken at face value

but others think it's a dog whistle, or that it's a loaded statement, and shouldn't be taken at face value

The second camp is obviously wrong. People can't expect to micro-manage the exact tone of everything that's said worldwide. We must use language in a more impersonal fashion in order to get along. We must withold judgment and focus on facts. Those who get angry about this kind of stuff are easily angered and highly tribal people not compatible with global society.

It's a simple test. If a "BLM" person has any problem with the simple statement "WLM" then that person is exposing bigotry. In this way, the entire BLM movement has lost all credibility.
 
The second camp is obviously wrong. People can't expect to micro-manage the exact tone of everything that's said worldwide. We must use language in a more unpersonal fashion. People who get angry about that stuff are easily angered and highly tribal people not compatible with global society.

It's a simple test. If a "BLM" person has any problem with the simple statement "WLM" then that person is exposing bigotry. In this way, the entire BLM movement has lost all credibility.

yeah, I would rather allow everyone to say what they truly feel. Then I can make my own judgements on their intent.
 
Just like, a minute ago on discord I made the statement that: "Lots of men get falsely accused and lots of women telling the truth go unheard. Both statements can be true."

and in seconds I was told that I shouldn't say things like that because while both are true, the numbers are so disproportionate that I am essentially being misogynistic.

why can't I just say both things are true because they are?
 
With Candace Owens, I think in her case it really is about pandering to reactionaries. That's who she appeals to and that's who she makes a living off of

But with Kanye, I wouldn't feel comfortable arguing that...I don't know what his intent was in wearing something like that, it could've just been the act of a provocateur or "IRL troll" and there wasn't much more to it than that...so I don't know if it was more of, "I feel strongly about some kind of issue, so I'm going to wear this shirt that addresses it and, through my celebrity, put it out there into the discourse", or it was more like Sid Vicious walking out on stage with a swastika shirt or something lol.

Like *leans back slightly, widens eyes and places hand across mouth* "Oooooohhh shiiiit Kanye! That's one hell of a hot take, son!"

The statement itself, when you attempt to strip it of any and all context and just attempt to simply view the three words, "white lives matter", in a vacuum...no, it's not offensive at all. Neither is "black lives matter", "all lives matter", or any permutation of "_____ lives matter". It's actually a worthy sentiment, to let people know their lives matter and have meaning/worth, when you view it in the realm of "pure ideas" and not get into the specifics of who used such slogans and towards what end
 
With Candace Owens, I think in her case it really is about pandering to reactionaries. That's who she appeals to and that's who she makes a living off of

But with Kanye, I wouldn't feel comfortable arguing that...I don't know what his intent was in wearing something like that, it could've just been the act of a provocateur or "IRL troll" and there wasn't much more to it than that...so I don't know if it was more of, "I feel strongly about some kind of issue, so I'm going to wear this shirt that addresses it and, through my celebrity, put it out there into the discourse", or it was more like Sid Vicious walking out on stage with a swastika shirt or something lol.

Like *leans back slightly, widens eyes and places hand across mouth* "Oooooohhh shiiiit Kanye! That's one hell of a hot take, son!"

The statement itself, when you attempt to strip it of any and all context and just attempt to simply view the three words, "white lives matter", in a vacuum...no, it's not offensive at all. Neither is "black lives matter", "all lives matter", or any permutation of "_____ lives matter". It's actually a worthy sentiment, to let people know their lives matter and have meaning/worth, when you view it in the realm of "pure ideas" and not get into the specifics of who used such slogans and towards what end

Most likely and simplest explanation is that he's reasonably non-stupid, tired of overly sensitive and aggressive, socially non-sustainable bullshit quabbling, and has a solid platform. Maybe that's trolling.
 
Well the funny part to me is, look at the shit Kanye is catching for the white lives matter,…same shit as the white kid wearing Black Lives Matter only it’s ok because fuck white peoples amiright ?
 
well what do you expect to happen in the middle of White Bread, Arkansas with a white dude holding up a BLM sign?

how do you think they'd treat you in Harlem with a White Power sign? you'd probably get shot right?

i don't see anybody trying out that social experiment :shrug:
 
I don't follow. Could you explain how it is concluded that wearing a "White lives matter" T-shirt necessarily means placating white racists?

Seems to be an overly polarized interpretation.

You don't mean that all white people are racist, right? Are you white? (No need to answer that last one of course)
1) Did you watch the twitter video?

2) Are you American? I'm not saying other countries don't have racists because I know they do. I'm just trying to determine if you have any clue as to what you are talking about. If you don't understand the premise of what BLM means as a mostly American phenomenon, then you probably just wouldn't understand the complexity of what Kanye West did. I will see if I can explain.

So let's take race completely out of it for a moment and draw an analogy by looking at poverty vs wealth. If someone witnessed how the entire capitalist system itself is based upon infinite growth built on the exploitation of poor people, then one could create a rallying cry that said, "Poor Lives Matter!" Just by saying that phrase does not actually take anything away from rich people. Hell, they already have everything anyways. The phrase is meant to bring attention to the fact that poor people are being taken advantage of by society and that we all should make an effort to achieve a little more equity. The following meme actually perfectly illustrates the absurdity of the All Lives Matter movement:

all-lives.jpg


Now imagine if, instead of the crowd saying "All Lives Matter" to Jesus, that they said "Wealthy Lives Matter." Are you following me yet? While All Lives Matter is meant to take the wind from the sails of poor people by taking the focus off them, Wealthy Lives Matter goes above and beyond that and is simply a kick in the teeth to poor people.

To say All Lives Matter in the context of race in America is to completely miss the point of the struggle black people have faced in the US for centuries. Less than 50 years ago we still had water fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, etc. segregated with signs that said Whites Only and Blacks Only. This is in the lifetimes of many of our parents and all of our grandparents. For Kanye West and known race baiter Candace Owens to wear shirts saying White Lives Matter would be similar to Samuel L Jackson (black) holding a sign that said "I hate n-word" instead of Bruce Willis (white) in the racist photo Electrum posted. It just doesn't make sense and the only conclusion I can come to is that Candace Owens is trolling and Kanye West is stupid.

To come full circle, Donald Trump has Nazis and American Confederate wannabes proudly show up at his rallies yet Kanye still wears a MAGA hat. Much like Herschel Walker in the Georgia senate race, I think white conservatives are taking advantage of Kanye and exploiting his stupidity to further their own racist agenda by saying, "Well Kanye feels this way so all black people should feel the same." When in reality they don't and they see through the facade, hence the twitter statement from a black guy calling out Kanye for placating white racists.

So in the context of American conservative evangelical Christian Nationalist MAGA republicans who are notorious hypocrites and xenophobes, the following meme kind of sums it up:

ALM.jpg


3) Of course I don't believe all white people are racist. And to answer your question, I'm half Mexican but take after my dad with white skin. So all my life I've heard other white people (not all of them) make racist jokes and comments about Mexicans around me because they only saw my white skin and didn't realize they were insulting my mother, grandparents, and half my lineage. All my dad's immediate and extended family are either dead or live in different parts of the country so I never knew them. All my mom's relatives lived in my home town, so I honestly feel more Mexican than Anglo based on the simple fact that I was raised within the confines of the Mexican half of my family. So yes, even a person with white skin can experience racism from other white people because my culture goes deeper than my skin.
 
I heard about this a few weeks ago but forgot to post about it. Texas sold the US's largest oil refinery to the Saudi's in 2017. They own 100% of it. All the oil it processes gets sold to other countries. Our LARGEST refinery... of which we have VERY FEW of. On top of the irony of Texas not being able to keep their lights on.

And Republicans talk about being energy efficient? Thanks Biden, he did this???

Also in the last 2 weeks gas went from $3.06 to $3.69 here. Fuck me.

 
Thank god I don’t drive a gas guzzling climate change causing POS turd vehicle. Public transport all the way

When I lived in the Bay Area I would have laughed. I took public transit, but the majority of the US is built on car transit. A nation addicted to gasoline. They shove it down our throats.
 
When I lived in the Bay Area I would have laughed. I took public transit, but the majority of the US is built on car transit. A nation addicted to gasoline. They shove it down our throats.
Like they shove their pharmaceuticals and their GMO foods. An economy based on profiting off pain and sickness

My lack of car is more due to a DUI and poverty tho
 
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