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Opioids Fentanyl aka dirty thirties euphoria

G_Chem said:
Idk I smoked fentanyl at 16 or so and it was super easy to put down. The cocaine, ecstasy, original oxys and eventually pure heroin were much more tempting.

I think it’s just like meth, cheap and available. Nothing more nothing less.

-GC
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oh but there is so much more to the allure of meth than just price and availability.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Febtanyl feels good enough and is dangerous enough to potentially be the nail in the coffin of the drug war we all needed
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This is an attempt at mass annihilation (chem warfare) against all who would care for it.
Opinion only
Where is the profit to a dead person? None other than another body in a mass grave.
 
seedee said:
oh but there is so much more to the allure of meth than just price and availability.
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Compared to fentanyl, hell ya. But I can tell you from experience that if an area has access to high quality cannabis, psychedelics, MDMA, cocaine, heroin/oxy… Meth is an afterthought.

I grew up in a strange bubble where the meth epidemic (up until very very recently) went right around us. We had all the factors to making it a perfect place for meth too. Rural farmland, bored kids with plenty of woods.

The difference was this area seemed to have access to other high quality drugs. That combined with the anti meth campaign at that time kept most of the youth in my area from ever touching the stuff. I remember at 15 some kid from Nebraska came through and he regularly had meth, we all saw quick what that shit does to a persons mind.

I was too busy snorting my way through 8balls, unlimited oxy’s, alcohol any time anywhere, etc etc. Meth was the dirty drug that turned you ugly by all our accounts.

It wasn’t until my mid 20’s that I began to very lightly experiment with it. I realized if done properly it’s if anything less addictive than cocaine or heroin. Small doses always oral. Since trying it I’ve done it probably 10-15 times total. I appreciate having a little of the stuff around. Unlike cocaine I can have it sitting around and not crave it.

Meth is one that can take everything from you and then some if abused but also one of the safest if used in proper manner. Other neurotoxic Amphetamines are like that too, MDMA comes to mind.

-GC
 
6am-64-14m said:
This is an attempt at mass annihilation (chem warfare) against all who would care for it.
Opinion only
Where is the profit to a dead person? None other than another body in a mass grave.
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Drug addicts cost society alot of tax dollars. Ambulance rides, police activity, victimizing the public.

You could argue ppl stand to profit from locking addicts up....but it also burdens government budgets greatly....this is sometimes welcomed if the private prison industry has bribed the right ppl, other times it is simply.a financial burden on government.
 
G_Chem said:
Compared to fentanyl, hell ya. But I can tell you from experience that if an area has access to high quality cannabis, psychedelics, MDMA, cocaine, heroin/oxy… Meth is an afterthought.

I grew up in a strange bubble where the meth epidemic (up until very very recently) went right around us. We had all the factors to making it a perfect place for meth too. Rural farmland, bored kids with plenty of woods.

The difference was this area seemed to have access to other high quality drugs. That combined with the anti meth campaign at that time kept most of the youth in my area from ever touching the stuff. I remember at 15 some kid from Nebraska came through and he regularly had meth, we all saw quick what that shit does to a persons mind.

I was too busy snorting my way through 8balls, unlimited oxy’s, alcohol any time anywhere, etc etc. Meth was the dirty drug that turned you ugly by all our accounts.

It wasn’t until my mid 20’s that I began to very lightly experiment with it. I realized if done properly it’s if anything less addictive than cocaine or heroin. Small doses always oral. Since trying it I’ve done it probably 10-15 times total. I appreciate having a little of the stuff around. Unlike cocaine I can have it sitting around and not crave it.

Meth is one that can take everything from you and then some if abused but also one of the safest if used in proper manner. Other neurotoxic Amphetamines are like that too, MDMA comes to mind.

-GC
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see i had a much different experience. i grew up in a suburb where we could get almost anything but the drug that all the people aspired to try was meth. it seems more like it's a difference in the drug culture and more of a random thing what drugs are popular in different areas. but i means it's logical that if meth is the only thing around meth is what everyone is doing so i'm not disagreeing with you whatsoever. anyways meth ftw i will always miss it and always love it but i can't be with it. i gave my life to that shit for too long
 
6am-64-14m said:
This is an attempt at mass annihilation (chem warfare) against all who would care for it.
Opinion only
Where is the profit to a dead person? None other than another body in a mass grave.
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They want addicts, psychonauts & anyone exercising their right to bodily autonomy, dead.
They have plenty of money & ways to make it. This is for power & control.
 
ownstrength said:
I read a lot of people talking about fentanyl not being very euphoric. But when I watch interviews on youtube channels like Lost in Phoenix and Tales from the Street, which interview homeless addicts, often using "bluez" fake oxy fentanyl, they frequently state that the first time they tried fentanyl or whatever analogues they get, that they were hooked.

So what is it that they experience that hooks them so quickly, when some people claim it's not euphoric?
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Because fentanyl still takes away all your worries and anxiety. it makes you feel numb and not care about your problems. Similarly to how benzos are "euphoric" to people with anxiety problems, because the lack of anxiety is addictive and euphoric when you're always anxious, fentanyl or any opiate can be super addictive when you're running from problems.

Also, much of the "fentanyl" is actually fentanyl analogues, some of which are substantially more euphoric than actual fentanyl.

Also, some people seem to find fentanyl properly euphoric like heroin or other opiates. So your mileage may vary.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
They want addicts, psychonauts & anyone exercising their right to bodily autonomy, dead.
They have plenty of money & ways to make it. This is for power & control.
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The cynic in me says that we don't need anything but human nature for this situation we find ourselves in. Cartels and others controlling the high-level supply simply saw an opportunity to make a vastly higher profit margin, and also produce the drug far more easily. Instead of growing field of poppies, which can be easily detected, or importing raw opium from countries that produce it, they can use easily available and dirt cheap chemicals to synthesize massive amounts of a chemical that is active in microscopic amounts. Fentanyl has got to have a hundred times higher profit margin. And there will always be more addicts.

I don't think governments want addicts dead. Addicts allow the highly profitable war on drugs to continue. Addicts also fund the new, highly profitable "recovery industry".
 
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Xorkoth said:
Because fentanyl still takes away all your worries and anxiety. it makes you feel numb and not care about your problems. Similarly to how benzos are "euphoric" to people with anxiety problems, because the lack of anxiety is addictive and euphoric when you're always anxious, fentanyl or any opiate can be super addictive when you're running from problems.

Also, much of the "fentanyl" is actually fentanyl analogues, some of which are substantially more euphoric than actual fentanyl.

Also, some people seem to find fentanyl properly euphoric like heroin or other opiates. So your mileage may vary.
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You speak wisely, Lord Xorkoth, for indeed I am one of the people who find benzos very euphoric, or otherwise pleasurable. Well, that's in the past for me.
 
IMO..... I would have modeled a med like Opana many times known as the Champagne of Opiates..... but then again. everything gets cut/stepped on. So, unless it's directly out of the local drugstore I wouldn't condone/buy it.
 
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ownstrength said:
I read a lot of people talking about fentanyl not being very euphoric. But when I watch interviews on youtube channels like Lost in Phoenix and Tales from the Street, which interview homeless addicts, often using "bluez" fake oxy fentanyl, they frequently state that the first time they tried fentanyl or whatever analogues they get, that they were hooked.

So what is it that they experience that hooks them so quickly, when some people claim it's not euphoric?
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personally I think this drug has no euphoric state there is many other opiates that have better feeling than this, but they do get you FUCKED
 
jakob720 said:
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personally I think this drug has no euphoric state there is many other opiates that have better feeling than this, but they do get you FUCKED
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I gotta say this dichotomy keeps me curious about the experience. I guess some of the stony/sleepy/heavy/creepy tar I've smoked was more fenty and that's all the reference I'll have.

Really grateful I got out of opies as fent took over otherwise I would understand this to a painful degree
 
Xorkoth said:
The cynic in me says that we don't need anything but human nature for this situation we find ourselves in. Cartels and others controlling the high-level supply simply saw an opportunity to make a vastly higher profit margin, and also produce the drug far more easily. Instead of growing field of poppies, which can be easily detected, or importing raw opium from countries that produce it, they can use easily available and dirt cheap chemicals to synthesize massive amounts of a chemical that is active in microscopic amounts. Fentanyl has got to have a hundred times higher profit margin. And there will always be more addicts.

I don't think governments want addicts dead. Addicts allow the highly profitable war on drugs to continue. Addicts also fund the new, highly profitable "recovery industry".
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True. It's weird cause what you said is absolutely true too. Though it still wastes money (at least the tax payers) and many people die directly as a result of the drug war. I don't really like the word "addict" cause it implies somebody who is using a drug in a destructive manner, where as there a lot of people who also use them productively or to better their lives But drug users in general have had a very negative reputation for a long time, so we're not exactly portrayed a lovely light

So it's like both things are true honestly.
 
ownstrength said:
I gotta say this dichotomy keeps me curious about the experience. I guess some of the stony/sleepy/heavy/creepy tar I've smoked was more fenty and that's all the reference I'll have.

Really grateful I got out of opies as fent took over otherwise I would understand this to a painful degree
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I mean your lucky I guess ?
 
As the world knows by now, people looking for opiate/opioid compounds will take it no matter how shitty it is, versus having no opiate/opioid at all. And once you get enslaved to Fentanyl, it's a rap, and is when the real misery begins. I have been watching this "crisis" unfold for years now, and it is going to get far worse than it is now. By a lot...
 
The Shadow Self said:
As the world knows by now, people looking for opiate/opioid compounds will take it no matter how shitty it is, versus having no opiate/opioid at all. And once you get enslaved to Fentanyl, it's a rap, and is when the real misery begins. I have been watching this "crisis" unfold for years now, and it is going to get far worse than it is now. By a lot...
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Very true.
 
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