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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

December Flower said:
German politicians are at each other's throats as well. More and more defense and weapons sent to Ukraine,
what if it's just the feign attack? It's known that Russia almost only sent super young soldiers, what about the rest?
What about the main host? There is none. What are the tactical implications of attacking a country while the whole world watches,
knowing the US will PR like mofos to forge public and political opinions against Russia? Only an idiot would have not known that.
Being 18 years in charge of a country as massive as Russia means you have brains, and lots of them.
Are there tactical implications to drawing out this conflict to last longer and longer and longer? Was this planned?

What if we give up all our defenses, and then get a suprise attack? Europe is not ready for this shit, and neither is the US
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Here in Europe we are most fucked....with this sanctions.Now is summer...just look what have come soon.Yes I also think not a once,that all this could be planned.....from all sides.Who knows what happened.Somebody show some viral video shot somewhere pretending that he is in Harkov-peacuful place,lot of cars,but probably the city now is badly damaged.So much fakes.So much people underestimate the clear,present danger of nuclear war.I think that Ukraine like a country is doomed.All will pay for that-Europe,U.S.,Russia.....even far away countries.....disrupting of food supplies.....The theory for golden billion.Let's see...what else could do
 
Nas47 said:
Here in Europe we are most fucked....with this sanctions.Now is summer...just look what have come soon.Yes I also think not a once,that all this could be planned.....from all sides.Who knows what happened.Somebody show some viral video shot somewhere pretending that he is in Harkov-peacuful place,lot of cars,but probably the city now is badly damaged.So much fakes.So much people underestimate the clear,present danger of nuclear war.I think that Ukraine like a country is doomed.All will pay for that-Europe,U.S.,Russia.....even far away countries.....disrupting of food supplies.....The theory for golden billion.Let's see...what else could do
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You're European?

Oh yes there were many fakes from all sides, which is why personally hate that people take their propaganda information and think it's the undeniable truth. I read something in the paper(yes i actually read the paper) and think "so you claim"

I trust Indian news, sort of, because India cannot take position in this conflict. It could never decide for one or the other, or it's doomed.
That makes India the best source for news actually, aside from maybe Switzerland on a good day.

Also the Swiss historian Daniele Ganser is great, he predicted this war for over 10 years, and now it's here
And he's been documenting what the US has been doing to Russia since the Berlin Mauer fell.
 
December Flower said:
I said I believe Russia can't do it. If Russia and China unite in the resolution to get rid of the US,
you're going to have some issues to say it mildly

There's also a bunch of wildcards, like Turkey, North Korea, and India. And Gods know what the UAE want
If it should truly get to what Russia has been anouncing, that it wants to get rid of the US,
it might be a very interesting conflict for future historians to dissect

Just not so great for people living in US and Europe now
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Don’t forget Iran
 
India media suggest interesting viewvon topic yes.I am european.Cannot believe,that you don't know.anyway.i read some stupid local press...more inside view problems,this media based in Bahrein,one russian media too.Don't know nothin about this Swiss historian,but it sur is interesting.It_s shit.all that happed.And i am close to events in geographic terms.Some things flow literally with the wind.....
 
90sdance said:
The Russians entered it, took a bunch of photos and then got out fast
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Thats a funny way of saying they dug trenches into the red forest and slept underneath radioactive soil for 4 weeks.

90sdance said:
Why would they have bothered going into a radioactive region to begin with ?
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I don't know, because they aren't the brightest crayons in the box?
 
December Flower said:
The entire move to support Ukraine with tanks, weapons and troops was to sacrifice Europe
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We should be thanking the Ukrainians for tying the Russians down. Clearly 20 years of power have gone to Putin's head and if he had folded up Ukraine in a couple days like he planned with no significant resistance and without far reaching sanctions, who's to say he wouldn't have kept going into Moldova or Georgia? Only then he'd have even more power. Every step Putin doesn't encounter resistance he ups the ante. 1999? no resistance 2008? no resistance. 2014? no resistance. 2022 would not have been any different. If we had looked the other way Putin would have thought the west is even more spineless and cowardly than before, and that would have only encouraged further conflict. The guy thinks he's Peter the fucking great.

Also, Ukraine doesn't have much for tanks, really only Poland has given a significant amount, and they were all old T72s. Germany only sends token amounts. 10. 15. 25. And 'tank' is a bit of a stretch. The gephards are anti aircraft vehicles and the panzerhaubitze are mobile artillery. Or are you talking about these?

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Yeah, I don't think that is going to cross any red lines. US hasn't sent any tanks either. The closest thing would be the extremely old light infantry fighting vehicles.

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That isn't doing anything other than helping America clean out its old inventory.

Lots of the donations from around Europe are getting backfilled with American weaponry, and production is rolling. Poland has been going on a huge military spending spree ( they want 500 himars!!) and countries all over Europe are upping their defense budgets, Finland by 70% . 'sacrificing Europe' by helping Ukraine?' You got it backwards. This has woken Europe up to the danger it always faced. Nato's rapid response force is getting expanded from 40,000 to 300,000. Finland and Sweden joining Nato will really help too, they take defense very seriously. By the time Putin either dies, or somehow manages to get himself out of this mess ( which I kind of doubt), Europe will be more prepared for a conflict than before Feb 24th. Also... you know Ukraine is in Europe, right?
December Flower said:
it was an open declaration of war to Russia by the NATO.
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What starting a war isn't considered a 'declaration of war' but sending arms is? Putin has been at war with the west his whole career, its only now we've noticed.
December Flower said:
The guy is Russian, he can't back down, make a threat and then not act on it. Doesn't anyone know Russian pride? Cold war is definitely over, clocks are ticking
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There are no easy decisions in war, but I somehow doubt that bending over and taking it up the ass is the right move. Putin knows as well as everybody else that nuclear war has no winners.
 
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thegreenhand said:
I definitely think it's highly plausible her assassination was a false flag operation, with the Russians being responsible in some form or another

here's a pretty good twitter thread about it:

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This is nonsense. Putin doesn't need a pretext. He's pretty much isolated himself from the international community already, and combined with the fact he never gave a flying fuck what anyone thought.. why would he bother wasting a couple pounds of semtex. He could launch an attack and just spin whatever yarn he wants on domestic media.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
At least russia and china still stand up for the traditional values of a society.
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What are the traditional values of society?

I think they are whatever creates/upholds a high trust society

Do Russia and China have those values?
 
TripSitterNZ said:
At least russia and china still stand up for the traditional values of a society.
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Well, I wouldn't go that far. Mao obliterated traditional Chinese society by killing tens of millions of people, industrializing their agrarian society, and also fracturing the religious aspect too by consolidating thought under the ruling class Confucius attitude . The same happened to Russia over the course of the 20th century, in a different but similar fashion.

Both are shells of what they used to be. The West has been going through the same process too over the 20th. For the UK it began with WW1 which obliterated many of our best minds in that pointless war and shattered us culturally too. The history books don't really tell the truth. A lot of people knew back then it was phony just from the propaganda, much like today.

Traditional values have been systematically destroyed the world over. A good old inquisition.
 
Electrum1 said:
Wonder if 5.56 prices go up

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Iv been buying ammo every now and then as an investment..prices are only gonna go up, even if they bounce around for a bit eventually they will end up at a high, I feel like it’s a solid investment, 5.56/7.62/9mm/45ACP, and one of my personal favorites .22 Mag, I really think it a solid investment in the long run
 
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