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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Here,if the special units caught you with gun without permission-beat the shit out of you....they would be pissed more than drugs....those guys with masked faces....they are brutal
 
just say I want my guns
I want my guns. Happy? Not like I want innocent folks to die, but infringing on our rights in order to facilitate the last step in finalizing the police state isn't exactly something any freedom loving American can get behind.

dont say we’d be under threat by knife and fire
The U.K. government disagrees; they have placed heavy restrictions on blades of all sorts, many that serve no purpose as a weapon. So they must have some real bad stabbing issues... or else I don't know why they're banning cutlery.

Arguing that firearms are the inherent issue, or that removing them from society would stop extremist violence is moot; we know that's not the truth. That there is some societal ill driving people to acts of violence, we know for a fact.

Here,if the special units caught you with gun without permission-beat the shit out of you....they would be pissed more than drugs....those guys with masked faces....they are brutal
That sounds horrific. Living in a fascist state like that, I can't imagine why people stay put... I've met my fair share of people who've fled the U.K. and Eastern Europe to get away from the fascist regimes there.
 
I want my guns. Happy? Not like I want innocent folks to die, but infringing on our rights in order to facilitate the last step in finalizing the police state isn't exactly something any freedom loving American can get behind.


The U.K. government disagrees; they have placed heavy restrictions on blades of all sorts, many that serve no purpose as a weapon. So they must have some real bad stabbing issues... or else I don't know why they're banning cutlery.

Arguing that firearms are the inherent issue, or that removing them from society would stop extremist violence is moot; we know that's not the truth. That there is some societal ill driving people to acts of violence, we know for a fact.


That sounds horrific. Living in a fascist state like that, I can't imagine why people stay put... I've met my fair share of people who've fled the U.K. and Eastern Europe to get away from the fascist regimes there.
What fascist state is this man?Yes it is mafia state,not a fascist state.Your country more looks like a fascist state....sorry.most of you are really sick about that shit gun story.Happy that this is not the case here,despite all other shit.Same bloodsuckin' vampires that make money from this war ,make their profits in your country...How many dead kids upon the streets you want?What is this?....a pink riffle for little girls with kitty cats....all family pictured holding a guns?-man this is sick...or i could never been able to understand it 'cause I am not American.....and never will be
 
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but infringing on our rights in order to facilitate the last step in finalizing the police state isn't exactly something any freedom loving American can get behind.

hey cg, what would need to happen - in terms of acts of government tyranny - for you to take up arms and use them against said tyranny?

alasdair
 
hey cg, what would need to happen - in terms of acts of government tyranny - for you to take up arms and use them against said tyranny?

alasdair
If the January 6th riot was a success, I would have taken up arms in the resistance to the Trump regime. I think it would be the duty of both the military and the citizens to violently throw him out if he had succeeded in his coup d’etat.

Another example would be if women were actually declared second class citizens and (further) denied rights. So far this hasn’t fully manifested but who knows how long that will last.

I guess the most pertinent reason would be to throw out a dictator, which we very nearly had to do two years ago.

There’s also the potential for our military, however mighty it might be, to fail to protect our borders and a land war coming here. It would then fall upon the citizens to throw off the yolk of foreign oppression, much like the people who founded this nation did.

Most of these things are never going to happen. Some very nearly have though.

In the most extreme situation I can imagine, if state legislators were somehow able to create theocracies, I would take up arms against them. There is no place for religion in government. Several state senators in my home state have attested to their fervent desire to create a theocracy with tiered levels of citizenship. I would not stand for that, I would fight it tooth and nail.

I’m certain there could be other scenarios but that’s all I can think of at the moment.
 
^To be honest, I don’t know where you live and I don’t understand you very well, so I assume English is a second language. But any country that disarms citizens is walking down the road of fascism.
You are lost my friend. Or very strange. A kind words for this-..."I want maaa guns maaaa"-you sounds me like a selfish baby,who cries for his candies Are you blind?Nevermind...it is your problem,not mine thankfully.Any country that arms his citizen is guilt up on the road of fascism.& millitarism.You have so millitary structures...what you for arm,your candies..aaah understand for more effective&bloody civil war.You are in big trap friend...feel bad,cause in this place live bright souls....that is big,big American complex....and most of the roots of evil in your country comes from this.I tell ya this like a person,who live in Europe,English is my third language and have a different point of view.It's good sometimes to have this on your mind.Wish you nice day
 
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Well yeah, it keeps gun deaths low. Instead they have mass murderers who do stuff like set fire to geriatric patient homes and kill 39 people. Or a knife attack that claimed 19 lives (just as many as Uvalde) or another knife attack on a subway that claimed 8 or 9 lives.

Yes, take away guns, they’re going to see gun use reduced. 2+2=4. But it won’t reduce the amount of mass murder incidents. The focus on guns in the U.S. tends to overlook the fact that in gun free nations, they still have frequent mass murders that rival and even overtake the shootings here in terms of lives lost. Lorries being driven into crowds, knives on busses, amateur explosives, you name it. And I tell you what… I’d rather go out being shot to death than getting sliced and bleeding out, or having my body smashed to bits by a crazed terrorist in a truck.

And again, as I’ve said before, it is clear that firearms aren’t at issue here; there is a deeper ill to society. Why do young men want to kill masses of strangers so often? In every country across the globe? No matter the restrictions or surveillance they find a way. How can we address this “mental health” crisis of sorts without 1)infringing on rights and 2)without even knowing what is wrong in the first place and 3)destigmatize non-violent mental health issues so that people aren’t afraid to come forward to ask for help?

Personally, while I don’t have concerning mental health issues, I would like to have a third party counselor to talk to about my problems sometimes. You know, simple stuff like “My wife is pissing me off lately, how can I reconcile with her,” or the like. But alas, I cannot afford it (arm and a leg for weekly, even monthly counseling) and for that matter, I’m terrified of any medical record anywhere saying that I have “mental health issues.” So a guy gets depressed once in a while and needs to talk it out… why should that bar him from an entire right as an American?

It’s a slippery slope because whoever defines “mental health” could very well define it in such a way that non-violent citizens would be barred from exercising their rights. And that, that is just wrong on every level.
I'm with her. One can do all kinds of mental gymnastics but using simple math and statistics, no country on earth has 45,000+ stabbings, car plows, bombs detonated, etc per year. Outside of outright warzones the numbers aren't even comparable.

And I'm not even calling for confiscating guns in the US because like has already been stated in this thread, it wouldn't work. But to throw up our hands and just accept the status quo as every day life is insane in the membrane.
Let’s just agree that not having guns keeps the deaths down.
like france they would be having blood baths left right and sideways but they have had some knife terrorist attacks and they dont kill the way guns do

you can be against gun laws

but when you start saying oh but knife attacks wpuld still happen as a answer it sounds ridiculous it sweeps the credibility of the argument away for me because it makes it seem less like you have a valid point and more like youre grasping at straws

just say I want my guns

dont say we’d be under threat by knife and fire
 
And I'm not even calling for confiscating guns in the US because like has already been stated in this thread, it wouldn't work. But to throw up our hands and just accept the status quo as every day life is insane in the membrane.
I don't think any rational person is saying the status quo is acceptable. I just don't see why solving this problem would require any bans. Nothing like this on this scale occurred in the decades that weapons far deadlier could be readily obtained. In fact aside from the brief period in the 90s (which saw plenty of shootings, Columbine comes to mind) firearms have never been more restricted in the U.S. than they are today. So if we keep adding restrictions... but violent terrorist-esque attacks keep occurring... what do we blame next? Some say the mentally-ill, which i think is unfounded and stigmatizing. I think we have but to look at the society we surround our children with to understand why they keep trying to murder all of us.
 
I don't think any rational person is saying the status quo is acceptable. I just don't see why solving this problem would require any bans. Nothing like this on this scale occurred in the decades that weapons far deadlier could be readily obtained. In fact aside from the brief period in the 90s (which saw plenty of shootings, Columbine comes to mind) firearms have never been more restricted in the U.S. than they are today. So if we keep adding restrictions... but violent terrorist-esque attacks keep occurring... what do we blame next? Some say the mentally-ill, which i think is unfounded and stigmatizing. I think we have but to look at the society we surround our children with to understand why they keep trying to murder all of us.
Well you are definitely one of the few rational gun owners I know of. Many of the gun owners I see on here and know IRL are more fetishists that see ANY type of common sense regulation as some sort of abomination. And I am around a lot of them because I come from an ultra religious gun owning family.

I know this is a 50 page thread but I have read some of your ideas of which I am in agreement. Not all gun owners are super conservative right wing evangelical nutjobs. If anything, more libs should look into gun ownership to protect themselves from said nutjobs come Civil War 2.0
 
have European countries found a way to prevent knife/acid/vehicle attacks yet?
It's nothing comparable -attacks with knifes,acid and powerful assault riffles&sniper killings.I guess i can buy legally rpg from gun store in U.S.?Should I?The mass killings made by jihadists in last years don't count 'cause this is another story.It's amazing for me how it's possible some student to buy assault riffle with a lot of ammo.It is nonunderstandable and absolutely curious &enigmatic for any nonAmerican i think.A real American phenomen.It is scary.
 
I'm curious what you guys think of the fact that mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon, but that guns were obviously available and in fact even less restricted before the trend started.
 
I guess i can buy legally rpg from gun store in U.S.?S
Nope. All military weapons are strictly prohibited from civilian ownership. No automatic weapons have been legally manufactured since 1986. The weapons available to us are still leagues behind what the military and police can purchase.
The mass killings made by jihadists in last years don't count 'cause this is another story
Is it? I would argue that Jihadists are the exact same as white supremacist kids shooting black folks. They want to strike terror into people, for religious purposes, ergo a Jihadist.
I'm curious what you guys think of the fact that mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon, but that guns were obviously available and in fact even less restricted before the trend started.
My thoughts on this are several; over prescription of SSRIs/SNRIs, societal ills leading to fractured families and young men who feel aimless. Lots of reasons it happens today but not when full-autos were legal. I'd mostly point to the way we've raised Zoomers in this culture of violence and hatred to always blame others for their problems. When your president is known for mimicking Hitler and blaming minorities for the country's ills, is it really surprising that these kids go insane and commit horrible acts of evil in the name of their 'God' or even just for the sake of 'fame'? They want to be famous perhaps...

So yeah, lots of societal ills. Firearms were never, and never will be the problem.
 
You got not only white supremasist shooting black people yes.They(assasins) are motivated in some sick way,but they are not like jihadist,who could lost whole family&house,because bombings Afganistan,Iraq..and so on.They are angry for real,because of politic of your&Euro governments.I cannot tolerate this murders,vut they are more easy to understand.Those whitepower fans are far more sick for me 'cause they are brain pollished and never felt personally what the war&loss is like some arab suicedbomber.....another thing-just a small percent of this mass shooters bymyself are white supremasist.....they are just mentally sick people,who don't drink their meds regularly....or drink unproper meds...anyway...just locos with firearms in their hands...and you got a lot of it.(locos and easy accesible firearms)
 
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Yes.right.Mass media got a huge guilt about negative events around the world.They often change the narrative and easy manipulate a thousands,even millions of people....a lot of people are too easy to manipulate-from here begins all the dumb theories,just like a guy who said to me here on BL,that there is no mass shootings,no war in Ukraine.....sad....but apart from main theme-some of this conspirative theories could be true....even this-that this war is previously planed by all great powers.It could be true...who knows
 
It’s important to remember that these youths aren’t being radicalized via brainwashing, they’re choosing to accept ideologies and seeking them out because of the fear or anger they have in life. I imagine if I was a Zoomer I’d be pretty nihilistic and down in the dumps about my future, seeing how things have been going all around the world these past decades.

How do we address the fact that these youths aren’t happy? How do we convince them that life is worth living? If you look at it, young white men are in the worst position they have been in (edit: recent) history; it’s easy to see why they’re freaking out. So how do we make them want to live, how do we offer them a career that will lead to a stable life?

Honestly I wish more would join the military… gives you a decent income and benefits, keeps you in line, gets you ready for school or a career after you are discharged, gives you time to figure out your life while being someone. We’re seeing lower and lower recruitment despite high population. The Army even allows neck tattoos now, when in the past they barely let you have any tattoos in the first place. Why don’t these kids know that there’s a way they can shoot firearms, get paid, and be way better off in life? You only have to serve for 20 years to get a full pension, and never work a day in your life after. Someone who joins at 17 with a parental waiver can be fully retired at age 37… 37!!! How is that not appealing? Not to mention the stability and routine that military life offers.

We need to figure out how to show them that they should want a future. That life has good parts.
 
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