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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

somnilicious said:
I got on his YouTube channel before they took it down and there was a clip filmed from the back of a truck that went down the parade route as the emergency broadcast signal played... Also a longer clip of the same video that kept repeating while Norman Greenbaum's Spirit in the sky played.

These were posted like a year before the shooting.
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That's some disturbing shit.

Obviously social media has become a central part in determining who will go extreme and shoot random people... we keep finding out after the fact that the majority of these kids published videos and writing that alludes to their planned killings. How do we keep ignoring this? Yes there should be some great degree of free speech; no one should go to jail for writing a book or directing a film, but how do we determine where the line is drawn from, "This is just some angsty person's ranting," to, "Oh my goodness this guy is a mass murderer/plans to be one."?

If my friend said, "I'm gonna go shoot up a crowd of people," I'd probably be on the phone to the police within' minutes of hearing that. I know many of these kids don't have friends... but they do? They're always telling someone on social media ahead of their attacks. Always.

How did the NSA drop the ball here? Too busy surveilling non-violent drug users to pick up on all these Zoomers preparing heinous murder plots months, years before they occur?
 
Jerry Atrick said:
I feel like I am repeating myself but Jan 6 was about more than just property damage and violence, which is why comparison to Floyd riots don't hold water. Jan 6 was a carefully thought out scheme planned months in advance with the intention of overturning a free and fair election in order to install an unelected dictator. How many military veterans claim to fight for democracy only to have a bunch of redneck rioters storm the capitol assaulting dozens of Capitol Police and literally wiping shit on the walls? To do what? Overturn a democracy.

That they were a "bunch of boomers let in to take selfies" is falling for the Fox News/Newsmax propaganda right wing spin of their take on what happened. The only explanation I can come up with for how people like you feel this way is because y'all ain't watching the impeachment trials or Jan 6 hearings or reputable news video footage to see how violent the Capitol attack actually was. How does the Cool-aid taste my friend?

Sorry to go so far off topic, maybe we should take this conversation to the Jan 6 thread where I can repeat myself again.
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We almost had a dictatorship and the vice President was running around fearing for his life from the trump supporters trump and the secret service and he sounds like a teeny bopper girl saying like the boomers totally had a selfie moment in the capital everything of any significance is flying over his head
 
Most terrorist-attacks are fake news. Brenton tarrant, boston bombers, 9/11; is fake news. It didnt happen. It didnt cause any deaths in that attack. It's staged. Its has to do with mass control. Who control the mass? Pirates, monks, treasure owners, judges, the writer of the bible, people from the circus, skippers, the templars, birth record, land grab, secret service, the law and more.... The world is less fuckedup then you think, because people are less fuckedup. It has to do with how karma works.
 
No.man i think this shit happens like happens(mass shootings) in Ukraine...there is too much propaganda...but somewhere between lies the truth
 
Nas47 said:
No.man i think this shit happens like happens(mass shootings) in Ukraine...there is too much propaganda...but somewhere between lies the truth
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The war in Ukraine is also something that is not true. Visit Ukraine and see it for yourself. There is no war, no covid.. Covid is a way to getting things together in the society. There is to much chaos in the high class world. Its getting harder for them to control the mass. There is a big shift happenings. MAybe a revolution, i dont know..
 
Dropperneck said:
The January 6 thing is political theater thats Nothing more that red meat for the base. It also put the absolute duplicity of the law on full display. The riots during floyd, which were state sanctioned resulted in many deaths and mass property destruction. January 6 was a bunch of boomers let into the capital to take selfies, where a hundred pound trump supporter was assassinated. One has political prisoners, show trials and the other was memory holed. that’s how the other half sees it, and it’s the reality of the situation imo
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^Shot with a homemade gun too.

The world should ban steel, aluminum, brass. All metals actually. Then no guns could ever be made right?

I just… really, people kill people. Here we have the world’s most heavily policed nation in regards to firearms, and someone jerry rigged a handgun and killed a high profile politician.
 
Snafu in the Void said:


Video of Abe being shot. What's insane to me is half of them including Abe hardly reacted or didn't react at all to the first shot, because there are virtually no guns or gun related crime in that county. He barely had any security at all.

If he had reacted and turned, he may have survived.
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Anytime I hear a loud bang I damn near hit the floor, crazy how he didn’t react at all
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I just… really, people kill people. Here we have the world’s most heavily policed nation in regards to firearms, and someone jerry rigged a handgun and killed a high profile politician.
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number of gun deaths in the u.s.a. 2019: 39740
number of gun deaths in japan 2019: 9

(2019 was the most recent year for which i could find annual numbers)

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
number of gun deaths in the u.s.a. 2019: 39740
number of gun deaths in japan 2019: 9

(2019 was the most recent year for which i could find annual numbers)

alasdair
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I know right? Conservatives are coming out and saying, "See? Gun control laws don't work." Meanwhile there have been over 300 mass shootings in the US this year and over 200 people died from guns just this past July 4 weekend.

It was the first gun murder this year in Japan. But tell me again how gun control doesn't work. smh
 
Cream Gravy? said:
^Shot with a homemade gun too.

The world should ban steel, aluminum, brass. All metals actually. Then no guns could ever be made right?

I just… really, people kill people. Here we have the world’s most heavily policed nation in regards to firearms, and someone jerry rigged a handgun and killed a high profile politician.
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What I find weird is apparently they found multiple handguns in his apartment when they searched it, but he chose to use his homemade shotgun (which I guess was effective enough).

I think the idea of just blanket banning guns in this country is completely moot at this point. It would be about as effective as banning drugs, right? It's not going to happen anyways.

It's about ease of access. The background check system is failing us. The FBI has a backlog of 1 million they have not processed in the last year.

An 18 year old should not be able to buy an AR in 4 days and breeze by all regulations.

Yeah, you could argue he could just buy a stolen gun off the street with ease, which is true and why total ban would never work, but it would be much more difficult to find an AR on the street with so much ammo. Most stolen/street guns are pistols.

I think the only people arguing to just ban guns outright are misinformed on the issue. I wish BOTH sides would stop talking about just "banning guns", and to be honest I hear "banning guns" a lot more from pro-gun people.
 
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I dunno, I’ve read some Wapo opinion pieces, that if they’re accurate give great insight into liberal state thinking. And I was disturbed how badly some journalists make out their war on firearm rights. That’s what made me think of “bans”.

NPR did a survey of firearm owners recently and a plurality think all firearms including AR-15s and other semi-autos should remain legal. One in five own an AR-15. Those who actually own firearms and want them to be available in any form tend to lean away from any sort of bans because we still believe in the slippery slope.
 
Jerry Atrick said:
It was the first gun murder this year in Japan. But tell me again how gun control doesn't work. smh
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Well yeah, it keeps gun deaths low. Instead they have mass murderers who do stuff like set fire to geriatric patient homes and kill 39 people. Or a knife attack that claimed 19 lives (just as many as Uvalde) or another knife attack on a subway that claimed 8 or 9 lives.

Yes, take away guns, they’re going to see gun use reduced. 2+2=4. But it won’t reduce the amount of mass murder incidents. The focus on guns in the U.S. tends to overlook the fact that in gun free nations, they still have frequent mass murders that rival and even overtake the shootings here in terms of lives lost. Lorries being driven into crowds, knives on busses, amateur explosives, you name it. And I tell you what… I’d rather go out being shot to death than getting sliced and bleeding out, or having my body smashed to bits by a crazed terrorist in a truck.

And again, as I’ve said before, it is clear that firearms aren’t at issue here; there is a deeper ill to society. Why do young men want to kill masses of strangers so often? In every country across the globe? No matter the restrictions or surveillance they find a way. How can we address this “mental health” crisis of sorts without 1)infringing on rights and 2)without even knowing what is wrong in the first place and 3)destigmatize non-violent mental health issues so that people aren’t afraid to come forward to ask for help?

Personally, while I don’t have concerning mental health issues, I would like to have a third party counselor to talk to about my problems sometimes. You know, simple stuff like “My wife is pissing me off lately, how can I reconcile with her,” or the like. But alas, I cannot afford it (arm and a leg for weekly, even monthly counseling) and for that matter, I’m terrified of any medical record anywhere saying that I have “mental health issues.” So a guy gets depressed once in a while and needs to talk it out… why should that bar him from an entire right as an American?

It’s a slippery slope because whoever defines “mental health” could very well define it in such a way that non-violent citizens would be barred from exercising their rights. And that, that is just wrong on every level.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Well yeah, it keeps gun deaths low. Instead they have mass murderers who do stuff like set fire to geriatric patient homes and kill 39 people. Or a knife attack that claimed 19 lives (just as many as Uvalde) or another knife attack on a subway that claimed 8 or 9 lives.

Yes, take away guns, they’re going to see gun use reduced. 2+2=4. But it won’t reduce the amount of mass murder incidents. The focus on guns in the U.S. tends to overlook the fact that in gun free nations, they still have frequent mass murders that rival and even overtake the shootings here in terms of lives lost. Lorries being driven into crowds, knives on busses, amateur explosives, you name it. And I tell you what… I’d rather go out being shot to death than getting sliced and bleeding out, or having my body smashed to bits by a crazed terrorist in a truck.

And again, as I’ve said before, it is clear that firearms aren’t at issue here; there is a deeper ill to society. Why do young men want to kill masses of strangers so often? In every country across the globe? No matter the restrictions or surveillance they find a way. How can we address this “mental health” crisis of sorts without 1)infringing on rights and 2)without even knowing what is wrong in the first place and 3)destigmatize non-violent mental health issues so that people aren’t afraid to come forward to ask for help?

Personally, while I don’t have concerning mental health issues, I would like to have a third party counselor to talk to about my problems sometimes. You know, simple stuff like “My wife is pissing me off lately, how can I reconcile with her,” or the like. But alas, I cannot afford it (arm and a leg for weekly, even monthly counseling) and for that matter, I’m terrified of any medical record anywhere saying that I have “mental health issues.” So a guy gets depressed once in a while and needs to talk it out… why should that bar him from an entire right as an American?

It’s a slippery slope because whoever defines “mental health” could very well define it in such a way that non-violent citizens would be barred from exercising their rights. And that, that is just wrong on every level.
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Let’s just agree that not having guns keeps the deaths down.
like france they would be having blood baths left right and sideways but they have had some knife terrorist attacks and they dont kill the way guns do

you can be against gun laws

but when you start saying oh but knife attacks wpuld still happen as a answer it sounds ridiculous it sweeps the credibility of the argument away for me because it makes it seem less like you have a valid point and more like youre grasping at straws

just say I want my guns

dont say we’d be under threat by knife and fire
 
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