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🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

I made a long post about this last night but I deleted it not long after as I usually do when posting about this subject because I'm anxious about leaving some of the details publicly available, just because I have a lot of thoughts and internal experiences that I feel are controversial (probably especially for religious people) although I might be willing to discuss it more in private if anyone is curious and wants to reach out. But the short version of it is, I've generally been someone who thinks that if you're not exploring the darkness alongside the light, you're not really getting the whole picture of humanity, and calls for love and compassion seem somewhat hollow to me if you can't have sympathy for the devil. I remember years ago watching an episode of Hamilton's Pharmacopeia where Hamilton was speaking to someone in either Central or South America (I can't remember exactly where he went anymore) about using mescaline-containing cacti who I believe claimed that he had ingested a particularly large amount of the cacti and Hamilton asked him how the experience was, and the guy said literally nothing about a high or visuals or anything else one might expect the standard contemporary tripper to say when just casually asked about an experience, and instead only claimed that the experience allowed him to forgive everyone who was involved in the Spanish Inquisition. It struck me as possibly the most beautiful simple account of a psychedelic experience I had ever heard even though at the time I felt that my own capacity for forgiveness may not match his. However, since then I've been through some extremely powerful and eye-opening experiences of exploring the darkness of humanity and my own mind which I feel have allowed me to see his perspective more than I was able to at the time which is something I feel grateful for.

I enjoy psychedelics, as well as other drugs, that help me feel like I am seeing more of the big picture. Exploring the darkness is not something I would recommend to those who do not feel that they are prepared to keep their head above water and stick to their convictions but it is something I think more people should be willing to consider particularly when supposedly pursuing a path of self-growth and consciousness expansion by using these substances. There's a lot more to the human mind than peace and love and ignoring it in one's self and blindly oppressing others who fall victim to it is not what I feel the best solution is, and doing so is something I see as a flaw in myself that I am working to overcome as well.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
Historically correct, however he also was an aspiring musician and loved the Beatles.
Let's lump them in with Charley as well, right ? ;)
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I was just trying to illustrate that mad, egocentric folks seem to enjoy psychedelics too, despite the ego-death experience. Not everyone comes out of a trip thinking, "Peace and love, duuuuude!"
 
I do believe i heard in a documentary that Charlie never actually consumed lsd ..but only gave it to his minions.Whether thats true or not is irrelevant ....one of many fkn lunatics in this world ....
 
having a ego-death does not do anything to a person. People will always be who they are irrespective of psychedelics.

Fakes will be fakes. rapists will be rapists. killers will kill. And those peace loving hippies are full of shit. The real world is a cut throat ruthless place to live in. Soon to be fallout 3.
 
Well I got 324mgs of extended release Methylphenidate last night which I'm pretty excited about. That's enuff for me to go on two binges over the next couple weeks. Last time I had a great fucking time with that stuff. I was posting like a mad man all night and I wrotey girlfriend like fifty text message love letters that were hundreds of words long. I'm gonna wait till I have days off work so I can really enjoy the stuff. When I took 162mgs at once I was flying and the peak was pretty damn euphoric, really nice drug IMO and with the ER version the crash isn't so bad.
 
The use of "Ego" is not the common definition when psychologists talk about ego death ( and it was they who coined the phrase with regards to psychedelics.) They are not speaking about a person who thinks too much of themselves but rather to the ego and id. The ego is the conscious mind, the one that concentrates thoughts and makes logical associations. The id is the unconscious part of the mind that operates without the ego being aware of what it is doing. To the psychologist ego death means the suspension of the conscious control of the mind, allowing the sub conscious part of the mind to operate without impedance.
 
Xorkoth said:
I grew to dislike 2m2b the more I took it. It's less euphoric than alcohol, though it does not have toxic metabolites. But there is a hangover... I think because it lasts so long, it's actually the residual effects the next day, like the whole day. Made me feel kinda gross. It just lasts entirely too long, if it lasted a lot shorter, I think it would be better. The effects were alright, it's more sedating than ethanol, less euphoric too.
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I only use it occasionally as a sedative now. As you said, it lasts too fucking long and it's not all that euphoric. Also, that fucking horrid taste that nothing seems to help mitigate.

Cheshire_Kat said:
The use of "Ego" is not the common definition when psychologists talk about ego death ( and it was they who coined the phrase with regards to psychedelics.) They are not speaking about a person who thinks too much of themselves but rather to the ego and id. The ego is the conscious mind, the one that concentrates thoughts and makes logical associations. The id is the unconscious part of the mind that operates without the ego being aware of what it is doing. To the psychologist ego death means the suspension of the conscious control of the mind, allowing the sub conscious part of the mind to operate without impedance.
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About that psychoanalytical terminology, I am always under the impression that psychedelics actually soften the super-ego faster than the ego. I feel like it is the relief from introjected social and personal expectations that allows for the free mind-exploration that psychedelics seem to induce. On normal doses my ego feels fairly intact, although obviously intoxicated, but I still get the softening of the super-ego that seems to allow putting stuff in new perspectives, or accept them without so much judgement.

High doses are another story all together, even my id seems to be washed away and occasionally I've even experienced a suspension of the self-preservation impulses that I guess is in line with what Freud called todestrieb.
 
About that psychoanalytical terminology, I am always under the impression that psychedelics actually soften the super-ego faster than the ego. I feel like it is the relief from introjected social and personal expectations that allows for the free mind-exploration that psychedelics seem to induce. On normal doses my ego feels fairly intact, although obviously intoxicated, but I still get the softening of the super-ego that seems to allow putting stuff in new perspectives, or accept them without so much judgement.
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Could be ...
I am far from an expert in these matters as I am definitely not a psychologist and I did not name the phenomenon, the psychologists did. I'm just sticking to the standard nomenclature.
 
Just got home from hanging out and jamming with a good friend I haven't seen much in the past 2 years, but this is the second Monday in a row, we're trying to make it a thing again. He's my old guitar player in my last band, and one of my oldest friends at this point. We jammed and recoded it, just he and I, and he was playing bass instead of guitar (so we had bass and keys), since he plays bass in his band he's in now. Really inspiring, I haven't felt that creative in a while. I really missed playing with him, we've always had a really strong connection musically.

Gonna try to get the whole band together next week, and then the NEXT week, we're both playing a festival, and I found out today his band's other obligation is canceled so they're gonna stay the whole weekend and we're all gonna get to festival together. :)

I'll try to post the jams from tonight they'd make great tripping music for anyone to listen to.

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About that psychoanalytical terminology, I am always under the impression that psychedelics actually soften the super-ego faster than the ego. I feel like it is the relief from introjected social and personal expectations that allows for the free mind-exploration that psychedelics seem to induce. On normal doses my ego feels fairly intact, although obviously intoxicated, but I still get the softening of the super-ego that seems to allow putting stuff in new perspectives, or accept them without so much judgement.

High doses are another story all together, even my id seems to be washed away and occasionally I've even experienced a suspension of the self-preservation impulses that I guess is in line with what Freud called todestrieb.
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Good point. Though I'd say psychedelics (tend to) soften both the id and super-ego about evenly
 
I'm still feeling rather listless lately. Super sick over the weekend and now I'm recovered but struggling to kick addictions and get healthy. I keep chasing the dragon and it just laughs at me, because it knows and I know, it can never be caught.

Today I'm taking less of everything, and tomorrow I'm setting an alarm and forcing myself out of bed at a decent hour.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I'm still feeling rather listless lately. Super sick over the weekend and now I'm recovered but struggling to kick addictions and get healthy. I keep chasing the dragon and it just laughs at me, because it knows and I know, it can never be caught.

Today I'm taking less of everything, and tomorrow I'm setting an alarm and forcing myself out of bed at a decent hour.
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Nice, I'm also trying to find solutions, coming up flat though.

I've just been very bored which is the deeper structural issue, kinda stable and functioning yes, but otherwise there's really nothing going on.

Funny how boredness could become a "deeper structural issue", the very young me predicted this but he was all wrong on the reasons why.
 
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Just got this handmade frame for my girlfriend as a gift to put a picture of us in. Looks pretty cute right I hope that she likes it. Love this woman so much we have been dating for going on 5 months now and I'm pretty sure that she is the one for me. We have so much in common and a deep connection 😍
 
I'm flying on that Methylphenidate right now I took 216mgs all together and feel great. Took 3 at once and then another an hour later, but I should have started with two and redosed gradually as the hours went by. The come-up was jangly as a mofo and I had to chug a ton of water and then I went outside to the walking track around the property and have been doing laps ever since literally hours at this point.

Just needed something to do with myself to channel all the energy. I've walked like 2-3 miles tonight and I'm not exaggerating just listening to albums and texting my girlfriend like a madman. I'm about to go inside soon tho I feel much better it leveled out well, if I do redose it deff won't be till I start crashing. Like I'm gonna wait till midnight possibly and then just stay up till tommorow afternoon and sleep for awhile. Not scheduled to go back to work until Friday.

Don't think I have ever taken that much Methylphenidate in such a short time period before, it felt like I snorted a gram or two of Cocaine in a single line 🤯
 
Cosmic Charlie said:
I'm flying on that Methylphenidate right now I took 216mgs all together and feel great. Took 3 at once and then another an hour later, but I should have started with two and redosed gradually as the hours went by. The come-up was jangly as a mofo and I had to chug a ton of water and then I went outside to the walking track around the property and have been doing laps ever since literally hours at this point.

Just needed something to do with myself to channel all the energy. I've walked like 2-3 miles tonight and I'm not exaggerating just listening to albums and texting my girlfriend like a madman. I'm about to go inside soon tho I feel much better it leveled out well, if I do redose it deff won't be till I start crashing. Like I'm gonna wait till midnight possibly and then just stay up till tommorow afternoon and sleep for awhile. Not scheduled to go back to work until Friday.

Don't think I have ever taken that much Methylphenidate in such a short time period before, it felt like I snorted a gram or two of Cocaine in a single line 🤯
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Yeah that makes sense. Methylphenidate and cocaine both work as dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors. Cocaine also acts as a serotonin reuptake inhibitor as well, something missing from Ritalin’s neurotransmitter profile, as it were. And it’s for this reason that doing cocaine whilst on an SSRI feels almost exactly like snorting methylphenidate.

Either way, try to limit the tachycardia if you can, for obvious reasons, not the least of which is: none of us are getting any younger, ya know? 😉
 
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