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The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

Snafu in the Void said:
Can we stop saying 99.9% recovery rate?

It has a 1.8% death rate and about 30% of people have long term symptoms including neurological damage, lung damage, inflammation, all sorts of things. Stuff that the flu doesn't cause.

99.9% recovery rate is both incorrect and misleading

I'm not some vaxx fanboy but we need to be accurate about these things
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I can agree to saying 99% recovery rate.
 
TheLastUnicorn said:
I can agree to saying 99% recovery rate.
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recovery from potential death?

CDC doesn't collect data on long covid or post covid symptoms

let's define "recovery" so we understand what we're talking about

if you permanently lose 15 IQ points, but didn't die, is that a successful recovery to you?
 
Snafu in the Void said:
there are both "long covid" and "post covid" symptoms

ill find the source when I get home running errands
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I can already tell you that it'll be a study where 30% of the people will experience one of the many possible symptoms say 5 months after infection.
Fatigue, headache... So yeah, totally meaningless. I have a headache right now.

Also, mortality is just a useless metric for all this, age-related mortality would be much more applicable.
It's gonna sound cold but a much better one would be average years-of-life lost, which isn't gonna sound all that bad.

I wonder how many years-of-life (just my name for this, don't know how to better describe it) will have been lost due to all the worldwide COVID measures?
 
Snafu in the Void said:
recovery from potential death?

CDC doesn't collect data on long covid or post covid symptoms

let's define "recovery" so we understand what we're talking about

if you permanently lose 15 IQ points, but didn't die, is that a successful recovery to you?
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It would totally depend on each individual and their life circumstances and their starting intelligence, ending intelligence, and how much it affects them......but would most people agree that it is better than "death" yeah they would. Would I personally? No, for my own personal reasons.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
I can already tell you that it'll be a study where 30% of the people will experience one of the many possible symptoms say 5 months after infection.
Fatigue, headache... So yeah, totally meaningless. I have a headache right now.
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www.cidrap.umn.edu

Many long-COVID patients report symptoms 2 years later

www.cidrap.umn.edu www.cidrap.umn.edu

this isn't the study I was referencing (which I am having trouble finding on my phone) but it's a little more severe than you think

Buzz Lightbeer said:
I wonder how many years-of-life (just my name for this, don't know how to better describe it) will have been lost due to all the worldwide COVID measures?
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Touche, but I'd argue this is rather a moot argument and impossible to quantify when compared with the years-of-life lost if there had been zero covid measures or vaccines (I'd surmise it would be an even greater number). Both almost unquantifiable.
 
covid debates give me a fucking migraine because both sides have very valid points and concerns but are unwilling to consider the other's reason

can you guys at least CONSIDER the fact that if there had been zero restriction, zero mandates, zero vaccines that the world would have been MORE damaged?

take politics and bias out, and just consider that possibility for a sec

It's an unanswerable question, but it's not rhetorical
 
TheLastUnicorn said:
My friend who got vaccinated along with his mom, sister and her kids (age 13 & 15) and husband, his dad, ect............told me that his sister had to go to the hospital because she had shingles and it got really bad. Now he told me she had just gotten better from that, and now has Covid!!
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I've had adverse reactions in my family, despite my attempts at trying to show them information. A friends father had some weird shit happen with one of his eyes, some inflammation, but is now OK thankfully. Unfortunately we can only see the most visible of damage.. there is simply no telling what this garbage has done to them internally.

People who say "I got covid" probably have never even questioned the validity of the tests. It's all based on faith. If asked to prove it they probably wouldn't understand why these tests are not a valid proof either. 'Inference' is too big a word for most people to handle.

Snafu in the Void said:
Can we stop saying 99.9% recovery rate?

It has a 1.8% death rate and about 30% of people have long term symptoms including neurological damage, lung damage, inflammation, all sorts of things. Stuff that the flu doesn't cause.
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18.8 million cases (positive tests) in the UK, to date.
155,000 deaths - within 28 days of a positive test, which itself is utterly absurd.
= 0.8% mortality rate.

So that's at least 99% recovery rate, according to their own data. Though it is actually closer to 99.9% because that total death figure is absolute horseshit.

As for all the 'long covid' symptoms. People get ill and people develop long ranging symptoms, as they always have done prior to covid. Covid is being used as an umbrella to catch all these statistical values that belong elsewhere.

It's all bollocks. Hysteria, faith in institutions that are already corrupt, statistical fudging, and psychological warfare - a real pandemic does not require media censorship and advertisement! It's so obvious man, come off it.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
@-=SS=- I thought you believe viruses aren't real and don't exist.
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I don't, but that doesn't really matter when discussing the statistical data so much. Where it becomes relevant is when you start dissecting the foundations i.e. how the virologists got the initial proof of a novel pathogen and then how the testing connects with that.

The desperate attempt to manipulate people with the statistics and use of propaganda actually disproves the conspiracy theory that this thing came from a lab, and also proves that they actually don't have the ability to create killer pathogens despite all the biolabs and obscene military spending on research. If they did, they wouldn't have made such an utterly pathetic pathogen and had to rely on brainwashing people into hysteria.. they could have just used a really deadly pathogen.

It only makes sense through the angle of there being no viruses. The pandemic data doesn't add up to it being what is claimed in terms of pandemic status, and the alternative lab-leak conspiracy hypothesis makes no sense either.

It's a bluff. A manufactured hysteria.
 
"No statistical difference in the incidence rate of both myocarditis (p =1) and pericarditis (p =0.17) was observed between the COVID-19 cohort and the control cohort"

"In the current large population study of subjects, who were not vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2, we observed no increase in the incidence of myocarditis or pericarditis from day 10 after positive SARS-CoV-2"

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www.mdpi.com

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study

Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in...
www.mdpi.com www.mdpi.com
 
Huh, well look at the timing

jamanetwork.com

Myocarditis and Pericarditis After Vaccination for COVID-19

This study investigates the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis emergency department or inpatient hospital encounters before COVID-19 vaccine availability (January 2019–January 2021) and during a COVID-19 vaccination period (February-May 2021) in a large US health care system.
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"A new study by Israeli researchers and published in Nature has revealed an increase of over 25 percent in cardiovascular-related emergency calls in the young-adult population, following the rollout of COVID vaccines, among both males and females. No similar increase was found due to COVID infection alone."

www.israelnationalnews.com

New study links COVID vaccines to 25% increase in cardiac arrest for both males & females

Study based on data from emergency services. COVID infection itself not linked to significant increase in cardiovascular complications.
www.israelnationalnews.com www.israelnationalnews.com
 
Electrum1 said:
"A new study by Israeli researchers and published in Nature has revealed an increase of over 25 percent in cardiovascular-related emergency calls in the young-adult population, following the rollout of COVID vaccines, among both males and females. No similar increase was found due to COVID infection alone."
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I am Jacob's broken heart.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
they explain why tho, it's not such easy data to interpret:

"So, one of the dynamics here is that people feel, after vaccination and boosting, that they're more protected than they actually are, so they increase their risks," he said. "That, I think, is the major driver of these statistics."

On the CDC's dashboard, which is updated monthly, the agency acknowledges several "factors likely affect crude case rates by vaccination and booster dose status, making interpretation of recent trends difficult."

The CDC had rolled out the page several months ago, amid demands for better federal tracking of breakthrough cases. It has now grown to encompass data from immunization records and positive COVID-19 tests from 30 health departments across the country

For the week of April 23, it said the rate of COVID-19 infections among boosted Americans was 119 cases per 100,000 people. That was more than double the rate of infections in those who were vaccinated but unboosted, but a fraction of the levels among unvaccinated Americans.

That could be because there is a "higher prevalence of previous infection" right now among those who are unvaccinated and unboosted, the CDC said. More boosted Americans may now have abandoned "prevention behaviors" like wearing masks, leading to an uptick.

Some boosted Americans might be more likely to seek out a lab test for COVID-19, as opposed to relying on over-the-counter rapid tests that go largely unreported to health authorities.

"Home testing has become, I think, the single biggest concern in developed countries that can interfere with our measurements," CDC's Ruth Link-Gelles told a conference hosted by the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases last month.
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You buy that garbage?

Take off the clown shoes buddy
 
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