Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

[Deleted member 521610]

belarus about to invade poland?

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Putin ‘to declare all-out war on Ukraine on Russian Victory Day’, officials fear

Russian leader could use Victory Day celebrations to stage ‘greater call to arms’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[-=SS=-]

This reminds me of the build up to Iraqi freedom. "Terror. Terror. Terror. Terrorism. Terrorist. Terror. Terrorism. Terror!"

Fucking YAWN.

 

[imo_incolae]

Putin ‘to declare all-out war on Ukraine on Russian Victory Day’, officials fear

Russian leader could use Victory Day celebrations to stage ‘greater call to arms’

www.independent.co.uk

Clickbait headline and clearly propaganda. Notice the language. Putin "could" declare war but there is absolutely no evidence for the blind and spurious assumption in the article. This article is full of suggestive manipulative language. What you do get however is the agenda for all this hidden in this very article;

The plans have been in the works for a long time, according to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), but it had been enhanced in response in light of what Russia calls its “special military operation” in Ukraine

So, all of Europe have been planning to stage large-scale operations for a very long time anyway? So the whole war thing is bullshit? So why would they do something like this? Maybe for the expansion of NATO maybe?

The historic move, which will also see dozens of tanks deployed to countries ranging from Finland to North Macedonia this summer, will mark the largest deployment in Europe since the Cold War.

Hold the phone. This historic move was going to happen anyway? And it's going to mark the largest deployment since the Cold War? The very same war NATO was "assembled" for to begin with? How convenient that now Russia are involved once again! Who would have guessed?! So this is all one big posturing move like men with their dicks out, and for what? Ah, that's right. The same old posturing that instigates shifts in power at the world stage where little men with no clue how the 99% of the population live start professing they speak for the "security" and "freedom" of the people and then we simply regurgitate their filth crying out for war and violence and drama on our television screens?

It would help if you actually read the articles and do some basic research into the surface context of what is actually being said by the very people responsible for pushing this down your throat because, if you read carefully, the truth of what is going on is clearly visible for all to see in what they are saying. This isn't about Russia going to war with the world. This is about NATO going to war with Russia and then simply pulling the "You did it" card and pinning it on Russia. This has been planned all along. It just "so happens" that Russia "happened" to invade Ukraine at "the same time".

Mr Wallace said: “The security of Europe has never been more important. These exercises will see our troops join forces with allies and partners across Nato and the Joint Expeditionary Force in a show of solidarity and strength in one of the largest shared deployments since the Cold War.”

Interesting. Since when has the security of Europe been a severe crisis? It's the first most people have heard about the security of Europe being a serious concern. What's happening over there? Are there bombs dropping? People falling dead in the street? Oh wait, they said that was happening not that long ago and we all got locked up for a few yearsn as a result but it wasn't related to Russia. And turned out to be bullshit anyway. Most of it actually was proven to be staged with props. Nope. Nothing like that. The show of solidarity and strength should prove all you need to know. And the fact it's openly being touted as the biggest shared deployment since the Cold War. Looks like there's some wargames going on and battlefield simulations. Oh, and a good dose of propaganda to get people to back their countries filthy pro-war pro-violence agendas. Will we see another war on terror? Drugs? We've already seen the war on humanity over the past few years and we all (nearly all) swallowed that pill whole. What's next? Oh wait, Russia is going to finally push the button and the planet is going to fall out of the sky. How convenient. How ideal. Just like they write in the fiction novels. *Cue Dr Evil cackle*

Wouldn't that be exactly what you needed to say to people if you were behind the agenda to pump up military funding and fuel the public's already well conditioned insatiable desire for violence and war?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Cheap Chinese tyres bought by corrupt officials stalls Russian forces

With Russian vehicles and armoured trucks getting stuck in the mud when veering off road, officials in the West are pointing to Chinese exports as a key factor behind the stalled invasion of Ukraine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

nothing like cheap chinese tires

 

[December Flower]

Yes, this ww3 kind of snuck up on us. You gradually sink into it.

nope, was 30 years in the making

I actually hope so too!!! Today would suit me.

Chicago was properly nuked in 1700's before it is even professed to have been built by falsified modern history.

Being nuked is one of the better case scenarios here, too ironically.

what? If it would have been, you could still measure it via Geiger counter
aside from that, that's a bonkers insane statement.

Is that "the American Dream" of having more than 240 years of history?

If they shot the super sonic at least we know where the submarine is.

again, no, it would tell you only from where the missile was fired.

He most likely won't be there ! However, has he said he believes that Jesus Christ died for our sins ? If so, he may be there too ! God will judge.

I would be careful with such statements, since neither of us knows what's actually going on.
We know what the West wants us to think, rest is shrouded in a fog of war.

They're going to accuse Putin with the worst imaginable, and he's probably doing the same with Biden, etc in Russian media. None of it is true, they just want to divert from the complexity of the situation and give you a simple:
"THAT GUY IS EVIL" - to help you to stop thinking and just go along with the Feindbild as narrated.
For a country that claims to hate Nazis, you sure use a lot of Nazi tactics in politics @USA esp the propaganda is almost a Wochenschau copy&paste

Putin has been threatening war for ages. He kept saying "stop advancing east, or i will attack" - they kept advancing east.
If he didn't attack at some point, nobody would have taken him seriously anymore. he already was sort of a laughing stock.
the west did not take him seriously at all. And they didn't allow him to join NATO either (2008 )- they conveyed that he is the enemy that NATO protects Europe from. Before he ever did anything, it was one of his first moves as president to ask for NATO entry.

And just btw, the West promised Russia we wouldn't move further East. We're really the bad guys on a global political scale.
Nothing can excuse attacking another country, but we pressured him into this situation, that's the sad truth.

 

[AutoTripper]

what? If it would have been, you could still measure it via Geiger counter
aside from that, that's a bonkers insane statement.

History at large is one gigantic pepped up falsification.

I myself was kept oblivious to this until only the last 8,9 months.

We "currently" measure nuclear by geiger.

THIS present "reset" of humanity.

Who knows what nature of nuclear was used to extinguish life from Earth's face late 1700's for a start?

Maybe...likely it was a different tech, therefore not geiger detectable.


Anyway, the "founders" of the reset and continually engineered, tweaked humanity we are presently, they would have technology to fully clean the nuclear toxicity before repopulating.

1800 this planet was dead of life, until it all began again.

There is evidence of all this and so much more, in photos.

Divergent is a YT channel he deeply researches it and simply presents the images, truths, written/recorded accounts.

Godgevlamste shows in detail again with Evidence the beginning point really of the great lie spread by NASA to hide the truth.

The moon and when I think about it now it's not just feasible it's kind of obvious but it is the reflection of this planet we live on something up there people have long referred to as the firmament which I personally never gave any consideration towards until again the last eight or nine months when I stumbled across too much compelling evidence.

Except this planet is 1000 times roughly the size of the one that we know which is actually just one crater called Sulpicius Gallas M.

Mars, Jupiter, Saturn etc, also craters, reflected individually in this peculiar firmament thing.

Saturn was the home of the Atlanteans. Who caused a mega tsunami using counter rotating devices to summon beings from below.

They had to flee, by Arc.

Long voyage too phew! Then a v long trek through Desert on the larger Earth we see as a seperate moon, to here, to recreate Atlantis here using buildings and Tesla technology to create an electromagnetic crater wide energy field.

But they messed up many times, hence buried past civilisation and buildings beneath the forbidden Antartica.

If not for NASA cgi and lies, the origin of the spinning ball myth, we might know these truths and more.

They leave the evidence in plain sight all over, show us things very deliberately, but we are supposed to decipher this.

Godgevlamste uses all NASA's footage, all Earthly evidence, maps, history etc, and more, to present this case.

Divergent presents the exact same picture but with a different focus.

He is more focussed on the reset, technology truths past and present.

The truth is ludicrous remember. We have been swanned as far away from it as possible.

 

[December Flower]

History at large is one gigantic pepped up falsification.

I myself was kept oblivious to this until only the last 8,9 months.

We "currently" measure nuclear by geiger.

THIS present "reset" of humanity.

Who knows what nature of nuclear was used to extinguish life from Earth's face late 1700's for a start?

Maybe...likely it was a different tech, therefore not geiger detectable.


Anyway, the "founders" of the reset and continually engineered, tweaked humanity we are presently, they would have technology to fully clean the nuclear toxicity before repopulating.

1800 this planet was dead of life, until it all began again.

There is evidence of all this and so much more, in photos.

Divergent is a YT channel he deeply researches it and simply presents the images, truths, written/recorded accounts.

Godgevlamste shows in detail again with Evidence the beginning point really of the great lie spread by NASA to hide the truth.

The moon and when I think about it now it's not just feasible it's kind of obvious but it is the reflection of this planet we live on something up there people have long referred to as the firmament which I personally never gave any consideration towards until again the last eight or nine months when I stumbled across too much compelling evidence.

Except this planet is 1000 times roughly the size of the one that we know which is actually just one crater called Sulpicius Gallas M.

Mars, Jupiter, Saturn etc, also craters, reflected individually in this peculiar firmament thing.

Saturn was the home of the Atlanteans. Who caused a mega tsunami using counter rotating devices to summon beings from below.

They had to flee, by Arc.

Long voyage too phew! Then a v long trek through Desert on the larger Earth we see as a seperate moon, to here, to recreate Atlantis here using buildings and Tesla technology to create an electromagnetic crater wide energy field.

But they messed up many times, hence buried past civilisation and buildings beneath the forbidden Antartica.

If not for NASA cgi and lies, the origin of the spinning ball myth, we might know these truths and more.

They leave the evidence in plain sight all over, show us things very deliberately, but we are supposed to decipher this.

Godgevlamste uses all NASA's footage, all Earthly evidence, maps, history etc, and more, to present this case.

Divergent presents the exact same picture but with a different focus.

He is more focussed on the reset, technology truths past and present.

The truth is ludicrous remember. We have been swanned as far away from it as possible.

well technically you measure electromagnetic waves & particles and determine ionized radiation,
so nuclear would include any "other technique" used

Sweetie, this entire thing looks like a giant troll to me, I really can not help you.
I'm a scientist at heart, you need to provide evidence to your wild theories or my brain will categorize it as "read something on the internet, now believes in it, has no proof whatsoever."

I'm not someone inherently against wild theories, but I need at least some proof.
To debunk your weird flood on a gaseous planet beeswax though,
Atlantis was supposed to have vanished after a great flood,
and astoundingly this flood has been proven, also it's mentioned in any ancient religion,
..but now it was all on a gaseous planet that offers no place to land since it's in a semi-solid condition?
...and is -180°C with winds well above the speed of sound? Sounds logical, captain.

You understand that the universe is calculable not only by NASA but by you too?
It's fun stuff for kids to do, but you can do it too. Grab a telescope and a notepad, do some maths.

I assure you, your theory would fall apart in minutes

 

[AutoTripper]

well technically you measure electromagnetic waves & particles and determine ionized radiation,
so nuclear would include any "other technique" used

Sweetie, this entire thing looks like a giant troll to me, I really can not help you.
I'm a scientist at heart, you need to provide evidence to your wild theories or my brain will categorize it as "read something on the internet, now believes in it, has no proof whatsoever."

I'm not someone inherently against wild theories, but I need at least some proof.
To debunk your weird flood on a gaseous planet beeswax though,
Atlantis was supposed to have vanished after a great flood,
and astoundingly this flood has been proven, also it's mentioned in any ancient religion,
..but now it was all on a gaseous planet that offers no place to land since it's in a semi-solid condition?
...and is -180°C with winds well above the speed of sound? Sounds logical, captain.

You understand that the universe is calculable not only by NASA but by you too?
It's fun stuff for kids to do, but you can do it too. Grab a telescope and a notepad, do some maths.

I assure you, your theory would fall apart in minutes

None of this is my own personal theory the evidence is not something I have read I have watched videos presentations seen photographs has recorded accounts by the Nazis and more and the evidence is just to compelling for me to dismiss.

If you had watched some of these videos then you may be able to decide more assuredly?

 

[AussieJoe]

There are all kinds of rubbish videos on the internet.Dont believe everything you see on some video lol.

 

[December Flower]

None of this is my own personal theory the evidence is not something I have read I have watched videos presentations seen photographs has recorded accounts by the Nazis and more and the evidence is just to compelling for me to dismiss.

If you had watched some of these videos then you may be able to decide more assuredly?

I mean real evidence, like you can measure our solar system and calculate from there.

Nazi scientists always sounds so spectacular. Im German, hard to impress me with Nazis.

You speak of this as if it was easy to find, yet to find any evidence

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

if the earth is round, when does east become west?

 

[AutoTripper]

All construction workers know that they need make zero allowance for curvature.

The maths fails to add up there for a start.

 

[December Flower]

He is a threat. Tell me how we advanced east kindly please. I'm wondering how you are looking at things. I know what you are implying, true or not.

OK, little history lesson for you young plebs out there that can't remember things 30 years ago(which is when I was born, joke's on you) - 1989 Germany reunited! YAY! Thanks to..? USSR, exactly. Gorbatschow just let it happen, he was fine w it, he wanted us to reunite. Wonderful thing, only, the USSR got scared "What if the NATO advances further?", so the US had to promise "we're not going to move ONE INCH further east" - nice, so thought the USSR

In the meantime US used Jelzin to get rid of the USSR, and therefore rid of their promise to the USSR, and starting then, the NATO advanced further and further east: Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary, that's 1999. (cue prince song)
Russia says "Please stop, we don't wanna go there. Stop advancing east"
OK, so welcome to 2004: Bulgaria, Estland, Lettland, Litauen(balkan, i'm not gonna check how they're called in English), Romania, Slowenia, Slowakia. Russia says: "PLEASE fucking stop, or we will have a war."
Skip to 2009: Albania and Croatia join. Russia says "OK last fucking chance, we really mean it, stop taking our countries, if you're not going to accept Russia (this is after Putin begging to join NATO. No chance. He is the enemy, so says the NATO)
Skip to 2017: Montenegro follows.

And you wonder what the West did to Russia? Ukraine was in discussion, and would have joined by 2024.
And there you have it.

You want more data why the West is a bunch of criminals, or is it sufficient that our word is 100% meaningless?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Russia says "OK last fucking chance, we really mean it, stop taking our countries

OUR countries?

they're Russian countries?

because Russia says so?


they're dirtbags - nobody even wants a friend like that, nevermind a partner

cmon man

 

[December Flower]

OUR countries?

they're Russian countries?

because Russia says so?


they're dirtbags - nobody even wants a friend like that, nevermind a partner

cmon man

Thing is the US promised. So on a world stage, the US word is meaningless.

Russia needed them to be neutral. I said it wrong

What would you think if a defensive organisation starts building around your doorstep and doesn't want to take you into the club? Would you feel paranoid or not? The West made Putin what he is, and I find it cowardly to put all the blame on Russia.

Sure Russia is to blame, nothing excuses a war. But we got him there, hands down.

 

[December Flower]

OUR countries?

they're Russian countries?

because Russia says so?


they're dirtbags - nobody even wants a friend like that, nevermind a partner

cmon man

really doesn't matter who has sovereignity over what,
the US promised, and it has not kept the promise.

On a world stage, what does this mean exactly?
I think I would feel the same, were I in his position.
His paranoia doesn't come from anywhere

 

[December Flower]

That is extremely complicated. All those countries ,some i have never heard of ! But them being financially involved with the us , don't know if that is really encroaching on Russia.

Still, what they've done to Ukraine I can't excuse.

nobody can excuse a war.

but Putin's paranoia is 100% understandable.
NATO has made it very clear to Russia that they consider Russia the enemy.

none of that is the Ukrainians' fault, but both Russia and the NATO are to blame for this fucking shitfest.
How much more often should he have threatened with war until they would take him seriously?
It's not like he didn't try it diplomatically. He tried it diplomatically for years.
It's just that we wouldn't listen, and kept going.

The situation is very complex, and cannot be judged that easily
I suggest to properly investigate into the Maidan conflict, and the following coup, to fully understand it,
but still, it doesn't justify a war.

I don't see another solution, other than to let Russia die economically though(investigate oil depots in Ukraine; if Ukraine = NATO, then NATO will sell cheaper to NATO, therefore Ukraine oil would kill Russia on the European market, which is about 90% or so of Russia's income, I'm exaggerating, but it is a lot), it's just that most people probably would have let Russia die were they in his shoes, or maybe found some other form of income (we in Germany manage to do a lot, 4th strongest economy, we don't have any oil). Well, he decided to attack.

And just to put this in full context: What does NATO have to gain from getting Ukraine into NATO?
Not really that much. So why did we keep pushing, even though he kept threatening war?
Why was the push worth the war for us, even though we knew full and well that this is an economically existential issue for Russia?
Why did the US invest billions into the Ukraine in the first place(long before the war)?
It's all shady shit, and I blame both sides equally.

 

[deficiT]

OK, little history lesson for you young plebs out there that can't remember things 30 years ago(which is when I was born, joke's on you) - 1989 Germany reunited! YAY! Thanks to..? USSR, exactly. Gorbatschow just let it happen, he was fine w it, he wanted us to reunite. Wonderful thing, only, the USSR got scared "What if the NATO advances further?", so the US had to promise "we're not going to move ONE INCH further east" - nice, so thought the USSR

In the meantime US used Jelzin to get rid of the USSR, and therefore rid of their promise to the USSR, and starting then, the NATO advanced further and further east: Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary, that's 1999. (cue prince song)
Russia says "Please stop, we don't wanna go there. Stop advancing east"
OK, so welcome to 2004: Bulgaria, Estland, Lettland, Litauen(balkan, i'm not gonna check how they're called in English), Romania, Slowenia, Slowakia. Russia says: "PLEASE fucking stop, or we will have a war."
Skip to 2009: Albania and Croatia join. Russia says "OK last fucking chance, we really mean it, stop taking our countries, if you're not going to accept Russia (this is after Putin begging to join NATO. No chance. He is the enemy, so says the NATO)
Skip to 2017: Montenegro follows.

And you wonder what the West did to Russia? Ukraine was in discussion, and would have joined by 2024.
And there you have it.

You want more data why the West is a bunch of criminals, or is it sufficient that our word is 100% meaningless?

It's very clear that the countries you mentioned are trapped in between multiple global superpowers/alliances and regional influence. I'll never deny the criminality of Western governments, but that doesn't mean Russia wants anything to do with them other than their natural resources/economies.

HIstory doesn't absolve the West of wrong doing, but it doesn't make Russia's goals noble. It's obviously a tug of war over regional influence that's causing a large amount of deaths, which is a waste of human lives imo.

 

[December Flower]

It's very clear that the countries you mentioned are trapped in between multiple global superpowers/alliances and regional influence. I'll never deny the criminality of Western governments, but that doesn't mean Russia wants anything to do with them other than their natural resources/economies.

HIstory doesn't absolve the West of wrong doing, but it doesn't make Russia's goals noble. It's obviously a tug of war over regional influence that's causing a large amount of deaths, which is a waste of human lives imo.

indeed, which is why I do blame both sides