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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

you could not raise serious questions about the origins of the pandemic? hmm, thats a nice 'narrative' bro
these are people who've become antithetical to EVERYTHING since their psychological training vs the pandemic and they can't be reasoned with

anything you say... they will call a conspiracy and wrong

you can't reason with these people
 
Very concerning rhetoric from numerous russian state news. It seems like they are pushing a narrative to the russian public to justify using nuclear weapons on Kyiv. And to justify world war 3.

Idk what the fuck im going to do if the nukes start flying. Probably bunker up out rural with sheets of acid and supply of canned food. Or just kill myself because fuck living in this world if most of it gets nuked.
 
you could not raise serious questions about the origins of the pandemic? hmm, thats a nice 'narrative' bro
It was not a discussion being had in early 2020, hence why most of your links are 2021. And the discussion didn't, and still does not, encompass the possibility of the entire thing being a psychological warfare operation.. you can't even raise it, you just get shut down as a 'covid denier'.

Which is par the course when it comes to pharmaceutical virology. Any discussion of alternative hypotheses are not welcome at all. It has been that way since HIV/AIDs. That to me is a serious discussion that needs to be had because it involves the science itself.. but as we all know, "I am science" - Fauci.
 
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It was not a discussion being had in early 2020, hence why most of your links are 2021. And the discussion didn't, and still does not, encompass the possibility of the entire thing being a psychological warfare operation.. you can't even raise it, you just get shut down as a 'covid denier'.
I literally just showed you multiple instances from April 2020, were the discussion about lab-leak was being had on mainstream outlets. I'm done with you.

If you think you're the target of a "psychological warfare operation" then you know what, you probably are.

Thoughts and Prayers.
 
I think Russia decided to act against Ukraine at this time because the world saw Biden's incompetent exit strategy in Afghanistan where we pulled the military assets out before the civilians (the opposite of what should of happened) which got Americans killed. Don't think China didn't notice too, which makes me think they'll go after Taiwan during this administration.

Less seriously, if WW3 does break out then I hope we draft the Women first in the name of equality so you and I can spend the war having fun on BL.
Russia acted because Ukraine have been ethnically cleansing territories along the border and beyond. The victims have been Russians and the numbers are well above 10,000 dead because of the Ukrainian government's commitments to cleanse these ethnic populations. Russia has attempted to negotiate with Ukraine for a long time. This has failed. It has failed because of many reasons but one of the significant ones is the American/EU/NATO backed coup in 2014 which overthrew a democratically elected government. The newly replaced government was viciously anti-Russian, whereas the previous was neutral. With the new government in place, there was opportunity to extend the NATO bloc along the territorial lines between between Russia, which means nuclear arming of the borders - which is a significant threat to the security of Russia. Any self respecting self preserving state would defend itself against such proposition. This is why Russia doesn't want Ukraine joining NATO because it implies Ukraine being reaffirmed as a key player in impeding on Russia with the weight of NATO behind Ukraine reinforcing any narrative/action on it's borders. That's what you are seeing now behind the bullshit story - NATO bullying Russia by proxy through the false narrative of Russia just randomly invading Ukraine for no reason whatsoever.

Putin promised to act on the slaughtering of ethnic Russians a while ago. This is Putin now keeping his promise. In reality, his responses and military strategies have been pretty mild in comparison to what he could have done. If he had gone in full-scale without pulling punches he could have avoided giving the West time to invent a narrative and muster reinforcements and resources. If anything, Russia has been restrained in it's attack on Ukraine. If he had gone in hard the forces in Ukraine would have been eliminated in short time.

After several years of agreements broken between Ukraine and Russia and this happening because of the consequences of Ukraine being compromised by Western hostile interventions and Ukraine acting as a puppet for Western agendas, Russia has decided to take action. This is, by the way, after a LONG TIME. There were problems in Ukraine before 2014 and that's already nearly a decade ago and so this is no new story.

A bonus for the Western establishment in all this is the excuse to expand the military industrial complex and reinforce the narrative that the world is at war with a big threat that needs to be eradicated. Call it Cold War 2. A second Cold War the West has wanted for a very long time. And it all ties in with the progression of the deliberate dismantling and rebuilding of the world order we have experienced over the past few years during COVID-19. There is obviously economical, political, financial and military bonus points for this ongoing conflict and that is something most people are oblivious too because the average person believes wars are actually fought for romantic reasons. Wars are nearly always fought for resources and control over a bigger seat at the world stage. And the world stage is about what? POWER. While people are virtue signalling and pretending to be making a difference, the power struggle continues just as it always has and the consequences of this struggle will be more agendas that, as always, don't actually anyone other than the state.
 
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Here's some missiles hitting at 0:50 and 1:25 in the video. There's been a lot less footage of explosions on Twitter lately

 
The LSD showed me that the destruction of the world is coming. What the fuck GOD?

Why the fuck even create this planet just to fucking let everybody die and get raped by evil russians. FUCK that.
 
Shame to them. Get out , you don't belong there. I wish their cities were blown up just the same. At this point, they deserve it.
Never wish death on innocent people. Have you lost your mind?

Who do you think starts wars? People like me and you? We just suddenly wake up on day and think "I know, I'll just rustle a few feathers on the world stage and attack another country!"? When was the last time you, me, or anybody on this forum had even 0.1% of that power? Don't be silly. You think some random Russian man or woman dreamt up the idea of bombing Ukraine?

Let's get one thing straight. You don't represent your country in the world of politics. The rulers represent your country and you are supposedly CHOOSING those rulers to represent YOU. But it doesn't work like that. We all know that. We all know voting for new leaders does nothing. We all know it's a game. You don't get to decide in today's world what countries your rulers choose to attack and besides, they will attack any country so they choose and then pile on the lies and manipulation to get you to support THEIR agendas. That's how it works. Name one fucked up war your country has fought that hasn't been like that?

What the ruling classes want you to say and how they want you to behave is exactly how you are behaving and what you are saying in your post.
They want you to BELIEVE it's YOUR responsibility to explain away their FUCKED UP decisions while they abdicate responsibility for your actions and then to start attacking other people (in whatever ways, be it physical, mental, emotional etc) who do not align with your rulers agendas. Notice here, your rulers agendas. These are not YOUR agendas, although you are made to believe these agendas represent you. You were NEVER part of the process. You think watching CNN or scrolling Facebook makes you a part of what is going on? You never EVER were made aware of the plans your government had in place when the shit started hitting the fan and believe me, your country knew about Ukraine and Russia for many years. After all, this is a conflict that has gone on now for over a decade! You were never invited to be privy to the ins and outs of all the chin stroking and chest beating at the big table of government. Nope, instead you got a drip of what is going on in the world through your television set, your smartphone and social media. You get a diluted version of the situation fit for a peasant because YOU are not the be trusted with the facts, with the capability to challenge what is going on or even to know about these things. You get the Disney channel version of world affairs and you get as much responsibility as a kid allowed in the driving seat of daddy's car. Notice, you don't get the keys nor do you get to drive. You get to PRETEND you drive while daddy pats your head.

So stop pretend like you are driving. You aren't. Nobody is. Nobody here is driving the car. Your rulers are driving the car. It is THEIR decisions, THEIR agendas. Nobody in Russia is driving the car either. People in Russia are just living life like you are. They drive pretty much the same cars. They have the same jobs. They eat the same food. They watch the same videos on YouTube. You have been CONDITIONED to believe world events and the narrative played out can be explained in such black and white fantastical ways in that, if the rulers of a certain country declare war, it means every citizen in that country has declared war as well. The WHOLE country is the enemy. How is that even possible? There's only one fucking leader to begin with! And only a handful of executive command positions available (and intentionally so, because what power hungry leadership wants endless amounts of other power hungry leaders vying for the top spot?). Does every citizen have access to the nuclear suitcase? Come on now. ONE MAN ON THE PLANET IN EVERY COUNTRY HAS ACCESS TO THOSE CODES. You will NEVER EVER EVER get access to them or even come within a football fields length of them. You will be shot back into the Iron Age to meet your ancestors before you could move a muscle in your leg. And yet you spout your rhetoric like you are the next in line to the chief of command. The chief of refuge collection, more like. We all are refuge cleaners. After all, it's US who cleans up the fucking mess and pays taxes for our so-called representatives agendas. We are the fools, the clowns, the ones who always take the bait.

Rulers rule over people. They do it in a number of ways. Chief among them (obviously) is CONTROL. How they control you is up to them and it's usually the hard or easy way. Hard being tyrannical force used. Easy being cajoled by other means. In the Western world we are not beaten into compliance. Instead we are bombarded with manipulation, lies, propaganda, brainwashing and social psychology techniques honed over many decades of research into getting people to conform at scale. It's the 'soft' approach but make no mistakes about it, the desired result is EXACTLY the same.

Your message is a perfect example of that very brainwashing that runs deep in the fabric of all people all over the world TAUGHT FROM BIRTH to assume they represent the agendas of their country when in fact, they are simply trained to REGURGITATE agendas that someone and something else has devised and then sought to plant into your consciousness until it becomes second nature. Within your mind there are narratives that even you might not be aware exist. Maps of the world. There will be bad guys, good guys, stories of triumph and ideological beliefs that you take to be concrete but never question. There's an entire fiction novel in your mind that you DID NOT write that represents the reality you THINK equates to the world out there, and in this case, the IDEA of Russians being bad people. Why? Because that chapter that is stored in your mind (Russian bogeyman/Cold War/Nuclear war etc) has been revived and brought to the surface. You might not have even been alive to witness the Cold War and yet it still affects you? Why? That's the power of conditioning. It can, and is, passed on through generation to generation. We all know this with generational trauma. One family who experienced grief during a war will pass that grief onto the next who also will tend to see the world how those before them did. You have been triggered to respond in a particular way based on particular stimulus conditioned into you from an early age. Russians? Get away! McDonalds? Mmmm.. tasty. China? Ew! Biden? Nice guy. When the programming breaks you see the cracks in the fucked up mosaic that IS the world you live in. The choice is whether you choose to put that fucked up tapestry back the way you were TOLD to see it, or whether you start to put it back the way YOU want it to be. Now that's REAL fucking change.

If you want to be a real hero, start being able to understand how things work. REAL heroes are the ones that transcend the 'normal' fabric of reality and then do something extraordinary. Extraordinary is only doing something that IS NOT ordinary. What you are doing IS ordinary. It's boring, bland, empty, easy to do, simple, remain in your comfort zone, gives you a false sense of accomplish. REAL heroes who create REAL change are the ones that see the way things are IS the issue and so they have to do something DIFFERENT. They see all the people doing the same stuff repeating the same things shaking like leaves in the Autumn breeze when it comes to acting independently and stepping up. Just go into any city and act like you fell over. See how many people actually stop, disconnect from the groupthink and help you. Most would shit their pants before ever doing something out of the ordinary. They can't break protocol. If they break formation it means they lose the masses.

Any REAL change in our world has come when a select few individuals have gone against the grain and sought to create REAL change.
Sure, they've been stigmatized, bullied, dehumanized, mocked and even killed. Their names ran through the mud. Their lives even ruined. But what they stood for is what made all the difference and now today, we use their story and their actions as inspiration to live our lives.

Just ask yourself, what change are YOU bringing?
I can show you quite easily. It's the message you just posted and that I just quoted.
Now answer this...

Do you think your comment creates a better world? Do you think you speak for peace? Do you think you speak for change? For the challenging of ALL fucked up political agendas, on ALL sides of the fence? Do you think your stance makes a difference?

Now answer this, and I've mentioned this a few times already...
Who sent you? No, really... Who sent you here today to say what you said?
It's a hard question to answer isn't it. It's like asking a rapist who sent them to rape you. They don't the answer off the top of their head but the reason why they are here today about to do what they are about to do is because, they too like you, have been sent because of a spiraling set of circumstances that could stretch back their entire lifetime which has culminated in them making their CHOICE today. That choice is rape. It could be anything else but let's make it sinister to let it sink in. Now change that to war. Who sent you to promote the death of innocent people? Who sent you to encourage war? Who are you speaking for? Can you tell us? Can you show us? Change it to drugs. Why did you start taking them? Who sent you to make those decisions you made? Chances are, if it's like most people, including myself, it's based on your life story. You were compelled through events in your life to make the decision to take drugs for one or more reasons. At the time, would you have acknowledged that? No, you would have defended the story. Okay, who telling the story? Who is writing it? Who is responsible for it existing? Where did it start? Now you're starting to see there is actually more going on than simply just 'wanting' to take drugs. Nobody 'wants' to take drugs unless they are exposed to the environments, situations, people and circumstances that create that possibility. Okay, so let's take it back to what's going on in Ukraine. The story is no different.

You can't unravel that story because you're simply ACTING the way you have been told to act based on the conditioning you have been exposed to. You are running a program like a robot and that robot doesn't know anything other than the instructions it has been given. It can't question it's own programming. Until you are at the stage of understanding your programming, you will never be able to question whether it's actually programming you even wanted in the first place.

So, where's all this coming from? Did you create it?
No. So don't perpetuate what you cannot even vouch for, or even begin to understand. And that includes promoting the DEATH of innocent people just because your government has acted in it's own best interests and then lumbered the weight on your shoulders like it's YOUR fault and YOUR task to perpetuate THEIR agendas.
 
I don't know much about history. Never interested me till lately. I worked and cared for kids. I never watched any Hitler movies or any war movies. Now I see a country invading another with torture of children women and elderly. And God's creatures too. I never said kill innocent people. They don't have a problem doing that. I see no excuse for it. The bombing above my post upset me. I stop and pick up injured birds in the road
You said "I wish their cities were blown up just the same". You can pick up dying birds all you want from the roadside. Notice the craziness in your sentence. On one hand you want to rescue something that is dying, on the other you wish that death onto others. Can you not see that? And why? Because you've been taught to believe that is the right thing to do. Can't you see the incongruence?

That's how they get you. You can be peaceful, good temperament, kind, caring etc. That doesn't matter. While you are part of the culture and living within it, what defines all those things could be completely the opposite of what they actually mean outside of the culture. When right is wrong, up is down and left is right - how do you know what you believe is true? For all the good things you can tally up, there could be endless amounts of things you aren't even aware you support, believe in or even entertain. That's the hypocrisy with Western civilization. For all the righteousness we have, all the good, all the progress - we shit on all that by being equally as fucked up. And because we are conditioned to turn a blind eye, we might not even see the errors in our ways and believe we are fine the way we are. We then promote ALL the agendas that form the rot at the core of civilization.

I can't think of anything more poisonous than someone who thinks they are doing good things for the benefit of their society while they help to slowly destroy that society and other peoples opportunities. Look around you. Plenty of people preaching like they are sent from above to save the world talking about Ukraine as if they are making a difference, while they live in countries that are responsible for the darkness we see in the world. Ukraine IS fucked up because of what the West has done to the country orchestrating the coup of 2014. Nobody mentions that. Well that's what you support when you start chanting the rhetoric of your rulers because that's what they did to Ukraine and what they WANTED to do. And why and for whom? For their own benefit and not for me and you, that's for sure.
 


Putin definitely has tremors in his hands he's trying to hide. Reminiscent of another world leader..

Nothing out of the ordinary. Putin has always been stoic. Its one of his defining traits and something that makes him likable as he comes across as a tough guy. To be fair though, he served in the KGB, is a black belt in judo too. All pretty attractive qualities considering people vote based on superficial things like this and not the actual reality. Stress maybe but no world leader escapes that. I would also question the sources you're getting these memes/clips from because they are no doubt the same sources that told you if you went out of your home you would kill your entire family. Don't forget you're citing media that comes from the very same platforms that was weaponized in order to push things that are now openly being discussed as bullshit.

Today's political battles are fought on social media and the targets are the general public who regurgitate and proliferate the agendas of the politicians. You think you're sharing an innocuous meme or something but similar but you're pushing propaganda. So many channels, groups etc are breeding grounds now for propaganda
 
People will probably hate me for this but it is what I think.
When the coalition (usa/uk//france) etc invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc Russia left us alone to invade and do what we did.

But when Russia trys to get its old land back via invasion everyone gets angry and starts flying Ukraniane flags.

Where were the Iraqi flags or the Afghani flags back then?

But no shock and Awe had everyone watching the bombs and flashes while being entertained on the t.v as babies, woman and innocent men were being slaughtered.

I'm not gonna lie I love guns, tanks all that shit. Most my books are regarding war, but if you ignore the media propaganda and put your anger aside you may see that it's innocent people being killed and its bad regardless of who's doing the bombing.

(I'm not on any countries side. I'm just on Earth's side)
 
Nothing out of the ordinary. Putin has always been stoic. Its one of his defining traits and something that makes him likable as he comes across as a tough guy. To be fair though, he served in the KGB, is a black belt in judo too. All pretty attractive qualities considering people vote based on superficial things like this and not the actual reality. Stress maybe but no world leader escapes that. I would also question the sources you're getting these memes/clips from because they are no doubt the same sources that told you if you went out of your home you would kill your entire family. Don't forget you're citing media that comes from the very same platforms that was weaponized in order to push things that are now openly being discussed as bullshit.

Today's political battles are fought on social media and the targets are the general public who regurgitate and proliferate the agendas of the politicians. You think you're sharing an innocuous meme or something but similar but you're pushing propaganda. So many channels, groups etc are breeding grounds now for propaganda

Being a "tough guy" makes Putin a good leader? He treats his population like cattle and controls all the information and media in his country. While the US is ultimately not that different, there is still free journalism here. The right has been led to believe (through propaganda) that it's all controlled by some evil political cabal. In Russia it's illegal to report anything through journalism that goes against what the state says.

Anyways, I find this "All your sources of information are propaganda and not to be trusted" argument seemingly everywhere now. It's really annoying tbh. It's the right's version of wokeness.

Ever wonder if the very opinion you are expressing right now was placed into your own head as weaponized propaganda by politicians? (hint: it was) Fake news™


Propaganda inception.

Yes, social media has changed the political front. That doesn't mean it's sensible to suddenly demerit every single piece of information going around.

they are no doubt the same sources that told you if you went out of your home you would kill your entire family.
lol, covid?

that's called science, not propaganda

but I don't want to go down that rabbit hole
 
People will probably hate me for this but it is what I think.
When the coalition (usa/uk//france) etc invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc Russia left us alone to invade and do what we did.

But when Russia trys to get its old land back via invasion everyone gets angry and starts flying Ukraniane flags.

Where were the Iraqi flags or the Afghani flags back then?

But no shock and Awe had everyone watching the bombs and flashes while being entertained on the t.v as babies, woman and innocent men were being slaughtered.

I'm not gonna lie I love guns, tanks all that shit. Most my books are regarding war, but if you ignore the media propaganda and put your anger aside you may see that it's innocent people being killed and its bad regardless of who's doing the bombing.

(I'm not on any countries side. I'm just on Earth's side)

that's absurd

of course Russia didn't care if we invaded Afghanistan - why would they? they had their own war with them that left them bankrupt and helped the soviet union collapse - im sure they hoped the same thing would happen to us

plus Russia was broke and begging for help around that time

cmon man
 
When the coalition (usa/uk//france) etc invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc Russia left us alone to invade and do what we did.
But when Russia trys to get its old land back via invasion everyone gets angry and starts flying Ukraniane flags.
Ukraine never attacked Russia with terrorism.

Also, in 1994 Ukraine signed a treaty with Russia, willingly surrendered all nuclear missiles over to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia would never invade them. So in a way, it really is an unjustified invasion.

I do see your point, though, on the perspective.

US lied about WMDs to invade Iraq. Afghanistan was really unjustified as well.
 
Nothing out of the ordinary. Putin has always been stoic. Its one of his defining traits and something that makes him likable as he comes across as a tough guy. To be fair though, he served in the KGB, is a black belt in judo too. All pretty attractive qualities considering people vote based on superficial things like this and not the actual reality. Stress maybe but no world leader escapes that. I would also question the sources you're getting these memes/clips from because they are no doubt the same sources that told you if you went out of your home you would kill your entire family. Don't forget you're citing media that comes from the very same platforms that was weaponized in order to push things that are now openly being discussed as bullshit.

Today's political battles are fought on social media and the targets are the general public who regurgitate and proliferate the agendas of the politicians. You think you're sharing an innocuous meme or something but similar but you're pushing propaganda. So many channels, groups etc are breeding grounds now for propaganda
bet you have vlad putin tattooed on your chest Stan
 
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