Tbh, I'm past the point of walking again, even with surgery. I can aim for a wheelchair that's it...
It's been far too long that my legs are fucked up. They have already told me I'll never be able to walk again
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Life Means Nothing and is Going Nowhere. Somebody prove me wrong. Please.
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It's been far too long that my legs are fucked up. They have already told me I'll never be able to walk again
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Awe. Don't listen because it has only been two years. No physical therapy even ??Tbh, I'm past the point of walking again, even with surgery. I can aim for a wheelchair that's it...
It's been far too long that my legs are fucked up. They have already told me I'll never be able to walk again
That IS just Harsh.
Nothing, my country is falling apart at the moment too. XdAwe. Don't listen because it has only been two years. No physical therapy even ??
That IS just Harsh.
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lo siento tio :9 aca ta uma mierda tambiem ( se eu escrevo em Portugues -portunhol vc me entende ne? : PS Translation for the '' if you are not writing in English you are clearly sourcing so stop doing it"' crew, i just wrote " I´m sorry mate, It´s a shitshow down here as well. if I write in Portunhol (portuguese mixed with Spanish, will you understand me?"
skipjames
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Btw, for the Op´s post my suggestion is : less drugs, a little bit of philosophy suggestions if you are so inclined :
Hepicurus : materialism does not necessarily implies hardcore nihilism : https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epicurus/
Natural Law Theory : I´m Catholic myself (and struggling with drug use etc) but methinks the main argument could work even for a non Theist, like : You are human, are a rational animal, some things are objectively good for the kind of being you are ( life, knowledge, sociability etc) so pursue them https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/natural-law-theories/
On the ' I know we are nothing but bags of meat...mind and feelings are just chemicals etc"...good for you that you know, we are debating these things since forever, any decent intro to Philosophy of Mind book will at least shake that certainties ( I recommend https://www.amazon.com.br/Philosophy-Mind-Beginners-Edward-Feser/dp/1851684786 and or https://www.routledge.com/Philosophy-of-Mind/Kim/p/book/9780813344584
For the agnostic crowd : https://iep.utm.edu/pasc-wag/
And last but not least : if you haven t watched yet . watch the First season of TRue Detective! it´s all about the OP´s topics and more , really worth watching the thing
Just my two cent(avos)
Hepicurus : materialism does not necessarily implies hardcore nihilism : https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epicurus/
Natural Law Theory : I´m Catholic myself (and struggling with drug use etc) but methinks the main argument could work even for a non Theist, like : You are human, are a rational animal, some things are objectively good for the kind of being you are ( life, knowledge, sociability etc) so pursue them https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/natural-law-theories/
On the ' I know we are nothing but bags of meat...mind and feelings are just chemicals etc"...good for you that you know, we are debating these things since forever, any decent intro to Philosophy of Mind book will at least shake that certainties ( I recommend https://www.amazon.com.br/Philosophy-Mind-Beginners-Edward-Feser/dp/1851684786 and or https://www.routledge.com/Philosophy-of-Mind/Kim/p/book/9780813344584
For the agnostic crowd : https://iep.utm.edu/pasc-wag/
And last but not least : if you haven t watched yet . watch the First season of TRue Detective! it´s all about the OP´s topics and more , really worth watching the thing
Just my two cent(avos)
Btw, for the Op´s post my suggestion is : less drugs, a little bit of philosophy suggestions if you are so inclined :
Hepicurus : materialism does not necessarily implies hardcore nihilism : https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epicurus/
Natural Law Theory : I´m Catholic myself (and struggling with drug use etc) but methinks the main argument could work even for a non Theist, like : You are human, are a rational animal, some things are objectively good for the kind of being you are ( life, knowledge, sociability etc) so pursue them https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/natural-law-theories/
On the ' I know we are nothing but bags of meat...mind and feelings are just chemicals etc"...good for you that you know, we are debating these things since forever, any decent intro to Philosophy of Mind book will at least shake that certainties ( I recommend https://www.amazon.com.br/Philosophy-Mind-Beginners-Edward-Feser/dp/1851684786 and or https://www.routledge.com/Philosophy-of-Mind/Kim/p/book/9780813344584
For the agnostic crowd : https://iep.utm.edu/pasc-wag/
And last but not least : if you haven t watched yet . watch the First season of TRue Detective! it´s all about the OP´s topics and more , really worth watching the thing
Just my two cent(avos)
Is that Matthew macconaghey(or however it's spelled lol) I'm a very big fan of his work, he's got loads of very good movies.
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skipjames
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yep he is ( and i can t for the life of mine write his surname correctly as well jajajaja) watch the thing if yiu haven t already @nznity in TRue Detective he is a sort of nihilist drug addict but very competent cop investigating crazy shit....
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The first season of True Detective is immensely good, such a great show
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There's no point to life.
We want there to be but that's only because we are taught to fear death and seek to intoxicate ourselves in anything and everything that distracts us from the truth.
The idea of becoming someone, to be me, to make something of myself, to do what's right, to be a normal person, to fit in etc, these are all elaborate ways of trying to cover up the big hoax. The big hoax is the scheme that this is all very real and everybody must assume a role and play that role and do what the rules say. It's all to try and make what nature made for fun, or God moreover if you fancy that, into something serious and sinister.
This came about when we started to fear nature and started to disconnect from it as if it was separate to us. We sought to eradicate nature and beat it into submission so humans could rule the world and rule the universe. And for what? We are just little animated dots on an insignificant planet among many others hurtling through space. We are but a grain of sand among an endless desert. Of course, we don't like that. We hate that in fact. And so we create ways to beat this fundamental truth. It can't be beaten.
And here we are. There is no point to any of this. It serves no purpose other than the ones we create secondary or beyond from the primary assertion that nothing exists before any of it. If nothing else exists before any of this, what are we building on? Where are we going? Nothing and nowhere. But we humans do the imagination thing very well. So well we have actually created a physical manifestation of that imagination in the external world around us. A projection of the seemingly infinite potential of the human mind.
Potential for what though? What is the goal?
Again, we find ourselves back at the start. You can't actually find a goal or destination for that potential, unless it can be explained in terms of what exists within the frame of human imagination and the complex and vast constructs we have created. Outside of that and we are literally pissing in the wind, talking to ourselves, frantically shouting at the stars desperate to be at the center of it all. Desperate to belong, to be the top dog, immortal and supreme.
Again, for what? Why? What purpose?
Because good ole monkey man over here doesn't want to acknowledge that before he knows it, he will simply be among the dirt in the ground. And that's a very powerful motivator for him to try and separate himself from himself in order to be something else other what he truly is - a thinking ape, an animal part of the animal kingdom like any other, nothing special, not separate from nature, not sent from above, no purpose and no end destination other than death.
I guess that's why we are all here, because we are in the process of being fuelled by that motivation. We are all creating a story to tell ourselves in order for our lives to rise above the noises of the mere animals below us. Heavens forbid we became like one of those animals.
Oh, wait....
Shit...
We want there to be but that's only because we are taught to fear death and seek to intoxicate ourselves in anything and everything that distracts us from the truth.
The idea of becoming someone, to be me, to make something of myself, to do what's right, to be a normal person, to fit in etc, these are all elaborate ways of trying to cover up the big hoax. The big hoax is the scheme that this is all very real and everybody must assume a role and play that role and do what the rules say. It's all to try and make what nature made for fun, or God moreover if you fancy that, into something serious and sinister.
This came about when we started to fear nature and started to disconnect from it as if it was separate to us. We sought to eradicate nature and beat it into submission so humans could rule the world and rule the universe. And for what? We are just little animated dots on an insignificant planet among many others hurtling through space. We are but a grain of sand among an endless desert. Of course, we don't like that. We hate that in fact. And so we create ways to beat this fundamental truth. It can't be beaten.
And here we are. There is no point to any of this. It serves no purpose other than the ones we create secondary or beyond from the primary assertion that nothing exists before any of it. If nothing else exists before any of this, what are we building on? Where are we going? Nothing and nowhere. But we humans do the imagination thing very well. So well we have actually created a physical manifestation of that imagination in the external world around us. A projection of the seemingly infinite potential of the human mind.
Potential for what though? What is the goal?
Again, we find ourselves back at the start. You can't actually find a goal or destination for that potential, unless it can be explained in terms of what exists within the frame of human imagination and the complex and vast constructs we have created. Outside of that and we are literally pissing in the wind, talking to ourselves, frantically shouting at the stars desperate to be at the center of it all. Desperate to belong, to be the top dog, immortal and supreme.
Again, for what? Why? What purpose?
Because good ole monkey man over here doesn't want to acknowledge that before he knows it, he will simply be among the dirt in the ground. And that's a very powerful motivator for him to try and separate himself from himself in order to be something else other what he truly is - a thinking ape, an animal part of the animal kingdom like any other, nothing special, not separate from nature, not sent from above, no purpose and no end destination other than death.
I guess that's why we are all here, because we are in the process of being fuelled by that motivation. We are all creating a story to tell ourselves in order for our lives to rise above the noises of the mere animals below us. Heavens forbid we became like one of those animals.
Oh, wait....
Shit...
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What is nothing?
Humans create meaning. And with that meaning we invent words like nothing. And words like all these I'm writing now. Outside of human consciousness, do any of this exist? Is the English language the language of the universe?
Behind everything there is just... Whatever it is. And whatever it is cannot be explained because to explain it would mean to attach meaning to whatever it is which means we are now no longer being objective in and impartial in our assessment. We are projecting and so we fail in even coming close to describing what exists beyond the manifestations of human consciousness. And we can't be any objective because naturally as humans we are biased towards our experience and we cannot see outside of that experience to differentiate and objectify.
Our closest explanation of life without humanity is nothingness. Without humans there wouldn't be the chatter humans make and the external manifestations of this chatter turned into expressions of our experience ie the world we have created around us. The Earth would be undisturbed and the natural order of things would remain unaffected. There would be no laws, no rules, no borders, no politics, no economy, no debt, nothing. There would be no meaning in anything because we are the only animals to emphasize meaning because we are meaning making machines because of our unique level of consciousness that affords us capacities no other animal is known to possess.
Which leads back to the original point. If there's no humans to create meaning, is there really meaning to anything at all? That answer is pretty obvious.
Its not a bad thing though. Why does life have to have meaning? And what exactly do we mean by meaning anyway? For most people their ideas of meaning are actually meaningless because they are unaware of what their life means to them anyway beyond the myriad external influences in the world we have created to manipulate, influence and nudge them to particular outcomes to serve particular goals socially, politically, economically, financially etc.
What DOES life mean? Most people can't answer that question anyway and so what are they missing out on? Judging by the direction we are going in in the West, meaning has been lost anyway. People aimlessly going through life consuming, pushed and pulled like puppets on strings, neurotic and impulsive experiencing rollercoaster emotionality and states of wellbeing, stressed and inherently insecure and isolated spiritually, emotionally, mentally etc. We all have the wisdom that is inherent within us all that understands the cosmic game that is going on. The fact that really its all a big game the universe is playing and that it actually means nothing at all. Here we are experiencing this unique once in a lifetime thing we call life and yet we have little control over the rules of the game. We like to think we do but we don't. And therein lies the problem, IMO anyway.
Because we cannot control life, and because then we attempt therefore to control it obsessively, we actually lose control even more of something we can never possess anyway. We want to be the victors over life and dominate life into submission but life plays by its own rules and those rules are what makes the fabric of our reality and all of existence itself and its something far more than we ever will be. We all know this anyway when we appreciate the power and beauty of nature. There is something beyond us that we acknowledge exists that is awe inspiring and wonderful but we also acknowledge we are subordinate to it. And when we attempt to control nature and control the universe, we inevitably suffer the consequences as we see in the world around us and the destruction we cause/are causing as a result of our desire to attempt to severe our connection to our human condition and the relationship we have with this world.
Its all about control. However as Buddhism teaches, and other religions and spiritual teachings too, it is our attachment to these beliefs, actions, intentions and thoughts that corrupt us. The more we cling, the more we suffer.
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We don't need to justify our existence, human lives have value to us and therefore meaning to us regardless if we use consensus realty or artificial constructs to communicate with each other because our understanding of the universe is infinitesimal.
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How's that old saying go - Life is what you make it? Seems fair enough to me. You say we aren't special, I say we are very special. For all we know we are the only intelligent life in the entire universe - If that is true which today it is because we don't know any other then we are very special. I don't understand the idea that we need to have some ultimate goal that is given to us through some god entity or the universe. The goal is whatever you want it to be, the goals we create, whether you fall into the 'Here for a good time not a long time' philosophy or the opposite is the goal it self but I would also argue that there is a universal goal for humanity - Finding answers to the universe.
No one is forcing you to fit into any societal mold. If you want to live as a vagabond you're free to do so - if you want to strive for some career goal the choice is yours.
The entire human experience is trying to figure things out trying to find answers trying to evolve. You say man doesn't want to acknowledge that before we know it we're all in the dirt - I don't think that's a secret, everyone knows that. Sure, some try to run or hide from the fact but as a species we've even managed to conquer death in some ways. It's not that long ago that life expectancy was 40 today it's double that? Who knows what the next 100 years would bring.
I just don't understand the nihilism.
imo_incolae
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How does being the only animal with this level/type(?) of consciousness make us special? We invented that distinction. A beautiful vista makes no comparison with itself to its surroundings. The wonder of nature does not identify itself as so. And yet all these things are true. But they are true only in the framing of human consciousness. We are the ones attaching these meanings to these things and then assuming whatever it is we are attaching meaning to assumes that identity. It doesn't. A cute dog doesn't identify as a cute dog. We identify the dog as cute and then project this onto the dog with the belief (hidden or not) that the dog identifies as cute.
It should explain fairly clearly that anything that is special is entirely a construct.
Don't mistake this for nihilism. That's not what it is. I go for walks in some beautiful places and I'm blown away by the beauty and awe of nature. I've met beautiful people. I've done wonderful things. I attach this meaning to life and everything in it too. But this is my point. The meaning is not universal. Although I have these beliefs and attach these meanings to life doesn't mean I assume these meanings are concrete. That is the egocentric part of my nature, whether well intentioned or not, which demands the world be shaped in the images I create in my mind. Can't you see the issue there? When we force ourselves onto nature, the world around us, we also inherently get lost in the power, control and obsession that comes along with having the ability to think and act in such a way. That explains why we suffer so much, because we can think and act and because we have such a unique level of consciousness that affords us certain capacities other animals can't possess, we think we are Gods. Our ego is so overinflated we really believe we are the center of it all. I see what you mean and what you imply with your post but I also see the flaws in assuming that stance without awareness of the attachments to that stance.
The truth is, there exists life beyond us and beyond us there is a world without human chatter. When the human chatter dies down, what is left? Nothing. And so, as much as I agree that while we are alive there is a whole spectrum of colour, the whole spectrum of colour is a projection from the human mind and human brain. Our understanding of this exists BECAUSE of these things in the first place. Basic understanding of neuroscience proves this. This is all made in the mind and brain. And it can be changed, with or without our consent. Drug use is one example of how to change consciousness. Being beaten over the head with a hammer is another, or a car crash. Would you still have the same beliefs if those things happened? You can never know but its safe to say you would change. What changes though? Largely the biggest changes are in your inner world. What does that say? Your inner world is not concrete. It's obviously not. If we are on a drugs forum and one of our main enjoyments are drugs, we should know that reality is not concrete because we seek to change it (and succeed in doing so) effortlessly. You can be one person sober and one person smashed out of your mind. Who is really you though? And what reality is really real? Says a lot about our inability to differentiate even this simple process. If we can't differentiate this then that shows we have blind spots. These blind spots are exactly what I'm referring to. We are conscious and aware but only so much and only to our own liking haha but life beyond this doesn't work like that!
To be nihilistic I guess. Everybody is playing roles and to assume there is a right or wrong role is to assume the role of the person believing that it so.
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