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Life Means Nothing and is Going Nowhere. Somebody prove me wrong. Please.

AbbeyLee said:
Alan Watts is who I've read and listened to the most because he was a brilliant translator.. Philosophically East --> West is very complex. Watts died at 58 because of alcoholism. He was also a serious womaniser while married. So even though he knew the Eastern religions inside and out, learnt from Zen masters.. He was a Westerner and was unable to achieve enlightenment.
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@Ismene2 Did you know that?? :) (just kidding) I know this had been discussed. I think we are all humans with flaws. It does not take away the wisdom we acquire. But actions do have consequences.

I don't know what enlightenment is. The best I could come up with is following the Golden Rule and just flat out have seen enough to know being Kind to people is the way out of this mess. It seems our actions are very important even if we do now know why.

Thanks for the video's Abby. I will watch both for sure. I am totally interested in this stuff.

You know in a way I wish there was no meaning in life and that death is the end. But to me that seems like laziness. That would seem bliss to me. I mean we love going to sleep, blinking out. Stopping consciousness for a bit. Nature, in anyway you look at it, seems to have us cradled in her hands. She has a sense of humor when it comes to things like you can not have life without death. And never death without life. So when someone says all it is is comfort when we believe life goes on I do think it is laziness. That would be too easy. To me there is nothing more comforting that absolute nothingness (like we we crave that deep sleep). But I see the opposite (and not for the need for "comfort"). I see growth, learning, and a focus to only see what is here for now as some form of school house that we chose. Not sure of the mechanism but I feel anything I do is because I chose too. I can not even type this if I did not chose too. So as muddy as it is that is it is what I believe.
 
JackARoe said:
@Ismene2 Did you know that?? :) (just kidding) I know this had been discussed. I think we are all humans with flaws. It does not take away the wisdom we acquire. But actions do have consequences.

I don't know what enlightenment is. The best I could come up with is following the Golden Rule and just flat out have seen enough to know being Kind to people is the way out of this mess. It seems our actions are very important even if we do now know why.

Thanks for the video's Abby. I will watch both for sure. I am totally interested in this stuff.

You know in a way I wish there was no meaning in life and that death is the end. But to me that seems like laziness. That would seem bliss to me. I mean we love going to sleep, blinking out. Stopping consciousness for a bit. Nature, in anyway you look at it, seems to have us cradled in her hands. She has a sense of humor when it comes to things like you can not have life without death. And never death without life. So when someone says all it is is comfort when we believe life goes on I do think it is laziness. That would be too easy. To me there is nothing more comforting that absolute nothingness (like we we crave that deep sleep). But I see the opposite (and not for the need for "comfort"). I see growth, learning, and a focus to only see what is here for now as some form of school house that we chose. Not sure of the mechanism but I feel anything I do is because I chose too. I can not even type this if I did not chose too. So as muddy as it is that is it is what I believe.
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That's an unusual way to feel about the apparent meaningless of life. The vast majority (myself included) need to believe in something bigger than ourselves and/or create some meaning. "To me [meaninglessness] seems like laziness" is kind of funny.. Like you need another challenge after this! 😁 Camus would be proud of you I think haha. The philosophers were willing to endure a lot.

"It is only great pain--that slow, sustained pain that takes its time, in which we are, as it were, burned with smoldering green firewood--that forces us philosophers to sink to our ultimate profundity and to do away with all the trust, everything good-natured, veil-imposing, mild and middling, on which we may have previously based our humanity. I doubt that such a pain makes us 'better'--but I know that it makes us deeper."

--Friedrich Nietzsche


Without looking it up, enlightenment is when we transcend the ego - the sense of self - and can be at peace no matter what happens to us.

Alan Watts was very "evolved" compared to average people, but yeah he was flawed like all of us. He taught about Eastern religion but didn't practice it like monks, he also wasn't born into it.

That one on Taoism is really good if it's the one I'm thinking of.

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"Life Means Nothing and is Going Nowhere. Somebody prove me wrong. Please."

I think if I have an exciting event to look forward to, then I'm going somewhere (not in life, but the day of the event). The "going somewhere in life" is too broad for me. The social/employable ladder I don't give a fuck about anyway, I've been an outcast a long time and I like it, I have a first class Honours degree in Sound Engineering which was 4 years long and 4 years ago and it got me nothing and I'm also not proud of it at all, pride is a feeling I've never experienced. So I save bits of cash and get excited by the drug-hunting and drug-taking, makes me feel young.

"Life means nothing" I don't quite get along with that because I believe in the fate and the things happen for a reason cliches. I don't want kids but I still think life offers interests here and there. I like nature and animals too which helps massively. Despite having multiple disorders, in the right circumstances I like people's company, I like listening to new people. I like films and music, I'm not suicidal yet...though I have a few reasons to consider it...but I wouldn't.
 
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Enlightenment is a paradox. It does not exist in the sense of "self"

Itself is another illusion within Maya. As long as you seek it you only push yourself further away from the state of simply being.

It is not a state of peace. Its simply accepting without resistance all of life. You will feel anger you will feel beauty you will feel love. Staying present in the moment.

A state exists beyond attachment and non-attachment. simply let the river of life flow through you. Life is not a easy journey. Buddha never claimed to know the creation of the world.

You don't have to practice anything. Meditation is a tool to gave more control of our wild mind.

When everything is already non-dual. You are the suffering of the world you are also the love. Love transcends everything. Devote your heart to the truth of your being. Sat nam.

The weight of the world is upon us all. We are interconnected. This is the highest truth. Wave-particle duality leds to non duality. The physics pointed us towards to non-duality.

We are here to experince this world in all its pain glory beauty. We are infinite. Death is still a mystery. Stay true to yourself. Fuck the fakes. Everybody will get what they deserve on death. Karma is real. actions have conquesences.

Consciounesss is infinite. There is one mind. Physics proves this aswell. Observerors affect quantum outcomes so why the fuck do we still experince the same world? Answer. Non-duality. One universal consciouness. Infinite energy. Love = the answer to life. Our suffering is the payment into eternal life. We are here to learn lessons experince all that life has to offer. Past present future have already happened. Time is a illusion from the human bound mode of consciousness. We are the story of life that god created and wrote and wove itself into everyone us and spilt into infinite form. I have witnessed miracles before my eyes in my lifetime. I swear by the holy name of god. The essence of god is within us all. Waheguru.

I have been to many dimensions. I was there and witnessed the start of this universe. I witnessed the infinite multiverse. I seen the empty void before creation before time and space itself existed and its infinite peace and infinite potetional. The world wanted to be born. It created itself out of nothing. a fucking paradox. Consciousness is eternal. The mind is a fucking paradox. You will chase your self to the ends of time trying to understand it and arrive nowhere. Because there is nowhere to go. You are right here in truth always. Life is a mircale.

Live in compassion live in love and light. For the suffering of the world is so great we have to put down the fucking weapons end the fucking wars. Stop fucking harm each other. Rise above the monkey primal instincts and stop been a bunch of savage fucking animals. We have to evolve to a new form of human one day. Homo sanctus the sacred human.

 
snazzy_sn said:
I'm in a very poor state of mind right now, and to be quite honest I'm not even sure if any of this makes sense or is even in the right forum. It's probably just my usual garbage tweaker writing that I'll erase when I wake up.
I was gonna post this in the dark side, but this isn't really about my problems. I just need somebody to tell me the answers or how to find them before I lose myself completely.
Coming off of drugs tends to amplify these thoughts and beliefs, but hey this is why I'm doing drugs in the first place.
I'm not gonna really go in to detail because in my current state I'm incapable. This is the short version of my philosophy. That of an athiest. Someone who tries to see everything objectively. That of a junkie and a thief.
I don't believe in god. I don't believe in anything spiritual, other than drug induced experiences.
From a purely objective standpoint, there is no right and wrong therefore these are empty too.
Doing what makes you happy is probably the closest thing to what's right but this doesn't make it any more meaningful.

We are all bags of blood and we will all die someday. The world will end one day. Everything is essentially futile.
Happiness and our emotions etc are merely a series of chemical reactions nothing more, which is how I justify my drug use. Shooting up meth and heroin cause a maximum release of happiness possible. Psychedelics are where I find my "spirituality" and this too is nothing more than chemical reactions.

I have my reasons for believing these things. It's been like that since god "abandoned" me eleven years ago.
I've made various attempts since then to seek him out but I feel foolish. Like I'm trying to fool myself.

I want something. I need to believe in something. Even if it weren't real, at least I could be happy. I've been mad for quite some time now, but the reckless abandon derived from trying to cope with leading a meaningless existence and living in a meaningless world have been getting progressively worse. I'm 21 years old, and at the rate I'm going I'll be dead within the two or three years from drug overdose or the violence associated with drug addiction, or suicide.

My beliefs and my philosophy are strong, but I'm not strong enough to live with them.
Somebody tell me what to do, what to think, tell me I'm wrong, but most importantly tell me why I'm wrong. If you argue that life has meaning tell me why. I need a reason. I've been searching so hard this last month and found nothing other than things that have reinforced my beliefs.

Like I said, thipost is probably garbage and I'll probably erase it tomorrow, but hey. Who knows? Couldn't hurt tolili
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Title: Life Is Meaningless And Is Going Nowhere.

While That Sentiment May Very Well Be The Case, We & Only We Can Choose To Be Happy! You Don't NEED A Reason To Be Happy. Almost Anything Will Do!
 
AbbeyLee said:
Well I've read a lot about Eastern religion/philosophy eg. Taoism, and although I admire it greatly, it's not something I want to pursue because you really have to live it. I mean Zen monks meditate for something like 17 hours a day, for years or decades.

Alan Watts is who I've read and listened to the most because he was a brilliant translator.. Philosophically East --> West is very complex. Watts died at 58 because of alcoholism. He was also a serious womaniser while married. So even though he knew the Eastern religions inside and out, learnt from Zen masters.. He was a Westerner and was unable to achieve enlightenment.
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You don't need to meditate like a masochistic pretzel for 17 hours a day. Nor should you be an alcoholic and deplete yourself sexually. Those are great examples of the neurotic tendencies we have, for East and West. You can be a householder with a family, job, and still reach Enlightenment. But you have to acknowledge what you are first as a human and figure out a strategy to not work in opposition to nature (and your own nature).

I like the story of Nisargadatta Maharaj, because he was the proof of what I just said. A simple man from Bombay, with a little business and a home, who over 3 years spent his free time sitting in silence after taking care of his worldly duties each day. That's all it took him. Highly recommend his book "I am That", it's an absolute goldmine.
 
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You don't need to meditate like a masochistic pretzel for 17 hours a day. Nor should you be an alcoholic and deplete yourself sexually. Those are great examples of the neurotic tendencies we have, for East and West. You can be a householder with a family, job, and still reach Enlightenment. But you have to acknowledge what you are first as a human and figure out a strategy to not work in opposition to nature (and your own nature).

I like the story of Nisargadatta Maharaj, because he was the proof of what I just said. A simple man from Bombay, with a little business and a home, who over 3 years spent his free time sitting in silence after taking care of his worldly duties each day. That's all it took him. Highly recommend his book "I am That", it's an absolute goldmine.
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I read a book by that Sadhguru guy after watching him on YT. It was good but I just felt so different to this man. I mean I'm a woman born and raised in the West, with a 30 year history of alcohol and drug use, and mental problems. I took what I could from his teaching but I wouldn't even attempt to become like him.

That reminds me though, I saw a thing where he clashed with Joe Rogan but haven't watched it. I don't like JR that much (don't dislike him either). So let's see how that goes..

Edit: Chemicals for the win 😉 I actually do think the "psychedelics as medicine" thing which is coming gives messed up people like me a chance to break down that neurotic egotism.

 
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AbbeyLee said:
I read a book by that Sadhguru guy after watching him on YT. It was good but I just felt so different to this man. I mean I'm a woman born and raised in the West, with a 30 year history of alcohol and drug use, and mental problems. I took what I could from his teaching but I wouldn't even attempt to become like him.

That reminds me though, I saw a thing where he clashed with Joe Rogan but haven't watched it. I don't like JR that much (don't dislike him either). So let's see how that goes..

Edit: Chemicals for the win 😉 I actually do think the "psychedelics as medicine" thing which is coming gives messed up people like me a chance to break down that neurotic egotism.
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I'm inherently cynical about anyone professing wisdom who has a multi-million net worth, which is both of them, but at least Joe (somewhat) acknowledges he's a bro who got a very lucky break. It will be interesting to see if Joe eventually goes completely sober again as he ages and becomes philosophical, or whether he'll continue on smoking. I can't see sadhguru giving up his persona.

The psychedelics as medicine is a double edged sword I think, very easy to get seduced by continual use and justify forming habits. Once a year I think is optimal, with lots of time to decompress, contemplate, and integrate. I think Terence Mckenna suggested that sort of frequency. What will help the most though, by far, are diet, exercise, sleep, and just time to sit in quiet. At least that has been my experience.
 
AbbeyLee said:
I read a book by that Sadhguru guy after watching him on YT. It was good but I just felt so different to this man. I mean I'm a woman born and raised in the West, with a 30 year history of alcohol and drug use, and mental problems. I took what I could from his teaching but I wouldn't even attempt to become like him.

That reminds me though, I saw a thing where he clashed with Joe Rogan but haven't watched it. I don't like JR that much (don't dislike him either). So let's see how that goes..

Edit: Chemicals for the win 😉 I actually do think the "psychedelics as medicine" thing which is coming gives messed up people like me a chance to break down that neurotic egotism.

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sadhguru is a fraud. He murdered his wife covered it up. Ask his dead wifes father. Thats why this sick fuck fraud won't go back to his home town in india. A evil piece of shit i knew it from day one. Heaps of edivence on the internet. Sadghuru is as fake as they come
 
TripSitterNZ said:
sadhguru is a fraud. He murdered his wife covered it up. Ask his dead wifes father. Thats why this sick fuck fraud won't go back to his home town in india. A evil piece of shit i knew it from day one. Heaps of edivence on the internet. Sadghuru is as fake as they come
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Yeah.. Internet evidence.. I'll have to ask my friend who has "cousins" all over India. He can't be a total charlatan because I'd pick up on that.
 
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