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I was on meth for about 3 1/2 months. Can I stay clean on my own no rehab?

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Stimfreak2234

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I quit doing it now, been sober for about 5 and a half. Is it possible to stay completely sober from meth without a rehab? I never want to go to a rehab and have confidence in my ability to not use again, as I have no plug anymore, my mind feels fried tho, feel like I got brain damage. Is their any hope I will stay sober on my own LONG TERM, this way? Also what truly counts a recovered in terms of time? 1 year? 2 years? 5 years? I’m so sad I’m gonna miss out on my youth, I’m 18 now, and I feel like my life is completely ruined and thrown away. What do you guys make of this situation?
 
Its good that you're young because you'll make a full recovery imo, since you're still growing. You won't "miss out on your youth". Being healthy and active in your 20's is what you'll look back on once you get older, so just stay off meth and be healthy and your 20's will be great, imo. You've been clean a while so just move on in life and don't worry about the past.

It took me about a year to feel completely normal again when I stopped at almost 29 years old without any rehab, and haven't done any since. Like I said above, just move on in life and let the past be the past.
 
Electrum1 said:
Its good that you're young because you'll make a full recovery imo, since you're still growing. You won't "miss out on your youth". Being healthy and active in your 20's is what you'll look back on once you get older, so just stay off meth and be healthy and your 20's will be great, imo. You've been clean a while so just move on in life and don't worry about the past.

It took me about a year to feel completely normal again when I stopped at almost 29 years old without any rehab, and haven't done any since. Like I said above, just move on in life and let the past be the past.
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I really need to work on the past is the past pet. I think about all the mistakes everyday all day, and often get angry take it out on my family, or start harassing my old friends saying they ruined my life. I just feel hopeless a lot, probably a side effect of the meth frying my brain. I feel a lot better now than before tho for sure
 
Stimfreak2234 said:
I really need to work on the past is the past pet. I think about all the mistakes everyday all day, and often get angry take it out on my family, or start harassing my old friends saying they ruined my life. I just feel hopeless a lot, probably a side effect of the meth frying my brain. I feel a lot better now than before tho for sure
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Yeah, definitely break the cycle of feeling bad for yourself. Find things that are fun to do that have communities, like fishing, shooting, bowling, fitness related stuff, learning new things you're interested in, stuff that takes up time and makes friends. It's good you're young because you can make new friend groups pretty easily, it gets more difficult the older you get.
 
Electrum1 said:
Yeah, definitely break the cycle of feeling bad for yourself. Find things that are fun to do that have communities, like fishing, shooting, bowling, fitness related stuff, learning new things you're interested in, stuff that takes up time and makes friends. It's good you're young because you can make new friend groups pretty easily, it gets more difficult the older you get.
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So in conclusion, it’s possible to stay sober on your own? Without any program, 12 step and all that?
 
Perhaps look into CBT? You seem to make multiple threads about a similar subject every couple of months with sort of tunnel vision. You get lots of good advise on each one but just ask the same question again, perhaps it's not meth at all that's stressing you out but some sort of ocd or generalized anxiety. If that was the case sorting that out with a therapist or a cbt specialist might curb the fears of doing meth again.

To answer your question though like others have said absolutely you can stop using meth without external help or a program.
 
Lysosomalstorage said:
Perhaps look into CBT? You seem to make multiple threads about a similar subject every couple of months with sort of tunnel vision. You get lots of good advise on each one but just ask the same question again, perhaps it's not meth at all that's stressing you out but some sort of ocd or generalized anxiety. If that was the case sorting that out with a therapist or a cbt specialist might curb the fears of doing meth again.

To answer your question though like others have said absolutely you can stop using meth without external help or a program.
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Yeah I’ve been diagnosed with ocd, it’s pretty severe. I have to repeat stuff to get reassurance over and over when I’m anxious. I’m so lazy after the meth tho, i miss therapy, and haven’t gotten in for a CBT. I feel like I overthink stuff severely
 
This period isn't great and probably no need to rehab but it always relative meth is very addictive substance.Certain people are more predisposed to such addiction.For heavy meth user docs.say much more time needed to start brain functioning normal
 
Nas47 said:
This period isn't great and probably no need to rehab but it always relative meth is very addictive substance.Certain people are more predisposed to such addiction.For heavy meth user docs.say much more time needed to start brain functioning normal
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What would heavy meth use be considered as?
 
My faith in the process of "Drug Rehabilitation" as it is conducted in modern times has only faultered more over the years. I have fairly strong opinions about the whole system, but please know that they are just one man's opinion and I could be totally wrong.

I don't believe that the way rehab is conducted is truly effective for the condition of addiction. When I talk about rehab, to be clear, I'm referring to the very common method of going somewhere for a month and popping back out to the streets afterward. I think it is an extremely foolish notion to think that such an adamantine hunger for drugs can be broken by complete strangers over the course of 30 or even 90 days. Don't get me wrong, statistically, I know this to be true, we all do. I only want to avoid shitting on folks for whom the process has worked.

I believe the only way to changed is from within. I believe it is a process that takes a great deal of time, fucking up, getting back on the horse, learning, growing, fucking up, learning and growing. I believe long-term programs like AA and others are amazing not for their speciic literature or "steps" but because you have a rather large group of people IN YOUR BUSINESS all of the time. They are all extremely fucked up individuals who have reformed themselves and unlike your family or friends, will not accept bullshit. They will remind you constantly of the missiong, your goals and why you have those goals.

When it's just you, alone in your room, thinking about what rehab taught you over the past month, it takes about 30 seconds to decide you want to get high. It is a brutal process of breaking you down and building you back up as a person free from addiction and such is like tellin a human being that you're going to teach them a system for no longer eating ever again. It just can't be done in 30 days by people with four year degrees and no experience.

I believe rehab is often successful for people who have already decided that they are going to get clean, but it's also a cop out for many. People can avoid any personal responsibility for their actions while they get comfortable with the idea that someone else will fix them. The idea that they are:

Taking TIme off Work

Throwing Down 30,000 dollars

Crying to their families and making promises

That everything simply must workout. There is just simply too much invested for it not to be real. How could a system that is an utter failure be the mainstay of treatment? Welcome to the world my friends. We are on a ship of fuckin fools so you're better off to keep your dough and get seriouis about the HARD WORK. You need to change, not have someone else change you.

Sometimes you're not ready. All I can say is, keep trying. If you relapse, go back to a meeting. It's my belief that in this world, a sincere and genuine plea to the universe or your God is enough to be granted some sympathy. Is it the universe or your own strength? :)
 
NOTE; the following does NOT apply to opiates. It

One of the benefits of a good rehab, one that deals with the psychological or psychiatric issues underpinning your compulsive drug use, is that you can come out the other end a much much stronger person with much better self-awareness and much more control over your feelings and emotions.

With all that personal development it may then actually be possible to enjoy drugs recreationally if your previous use was all just miserable and compulsive self-medication. Drugs possibly still dangerous for you though, if your self-awareness falters for any reason (including from taking too much drugs).

Rehabs that emphasise the AA disease model of addiction are good for people that just want or need total abstinence for ever / but they may leave a lot of issues unaddressed and create potential for long cycle of ‘bust-guilt-rehab-abstience-bust-guilt-rehab-abstinence….etc etc’

Rehabs that emphasise dual-diagnosis are good for people who know that they are more complicated inside than the disease model and the lifelong label of ‘addict’ suggests.

I’ve tried both types because I had uncontrollable use that took my life to rock bottom several times (first time in less than a year). Now i do use a lot but the damage in my life manageable and acceptable.That changed only when I stopped believing in the AA disease always an addict model and did rehab using the dual-diagnosis approach.

Not all rehabs equal by a long shot.
 
Nas47 said:
I guess every or everyother day use for to a half year-year is a problematic.
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I think the measure of problematic is better looked at through the degree of impact the drug has on your health and desired quality of life, including your relationships, employment, education, and goals.

We know that meth in particular has a high probability of damaging all these things. For some people that damage can occur after a first-time month long daily binge but for others it might come only after 2-3 years of casual weekend use.

Until you know yourself well it is hard to judge what drugs are doing to you. And people who do not know themselves well should stay the fuck away from meth more than perhaps any other drug in my experience.
 
Methamphetamine is poison man. Every time you put that shit in your body, you are increasing the likelihood of ending up as one of the babbling, crazy ghouls running around downtown and I'm very sad to say that the damage is mostly permanent by most accounts. Think very hard about what you want. I've seen brilliant minds reduced to fucking madness in the span of two years. I made it 10 years without crying for another Heroin user and as I sit here I have a tear in my eye thinking about how I might never know these same people again, as I knew them once before. It's fucking bulshit. Methamphetamine is no joke and this is from someone who has touched dead bodies, narcan'd four different people with a smile on my face.

Methamphetamine use classified as fairly heavy would be about a gram per day. That's not to say there aren't folks using 3.5g a day of crystal meth, but that would be the very, very high end. Using a gram of Meth a day implies you're in the professional leagues, because 50mg of the Dextrometh that is out on the street would have a naive user tweaking for a full day. So, there are people using a gram per day simply to function.
 
Keif' Richards said:
My faith in the process of "Drug Rehabilitation" as it is conducted in modern times has only faultered more over the years. I have fairly strong opinions about the whole system, but please know that they are just one man's opinion and I could be totally wrong.

I don't believe that the way rehab is conducted is truly effective for the condition of addiction. When I talk about rehab, to be clear, I'm referring to the very common method of going somewhere for a month and popping back out to the streets afterward. I think it is an extremely foolish notion to think that such an adamantine hunger for drugs can be broken by complete strangers over the course of 30 or even 90 days. Don't get me wrong, statistically, I know this to be true, we all do. I only want to avoid shitting on folks for whom the process has worked.

I believe the only way to changed is from within. I believe it is a process that takes a great deal of time, fucking up, getting back on the horse, learning, growing, fucking up, learning and growing. I believe long-term programs like AA and others are amazing not for their speciic literature or "steps" but because you have a rather large group of people IN YOUR BUSINESS all of the time. They are all extremely fucked up individuals who have reformed themselves and unlike your family or friends, will not accept bullshit. They will remind you constantly of the missiong, your goals and why you have those goals.

When it's just you, alone in your room, thinking about what rehab taught you over the past month, it takes about 30 seconds to decide you want to get high. It is a brutal process of breaking you down and building you back up as a person free from addiction and such is like tellin a human being that you're going to teach them a system for no longer eating ever again. It just can't be done in 30 days by people with four year degrees and no experience.

I believe rehab is often successful for people who have already decided that they are going to get clean, but it's also a cop out for many. People can avoid any personal responsibility for their actions while they get comfortable with the idea that someone else will fix them. The idea that they are:

Taking TIme off Work

Throwing Down 30,000 dollars

Crying to their families and making promises

That everything simply must workout. There is just simply too much invested for it not to be real. How could a system that is an utter failure be the mainstay of treatment? Welcome to the world my friends. We are on a ship of fuckin fools so you're better off to keep your dough and get seriouis about the HARD WORK. You need to change, not have someone else change you.

Sometimes you're not ready. All I can say is, keep trying. If you relapse, go back to a meeting. It's my belief that in this world, a sincere and genuine plea to the universe or your God is enough to be granted some sympathy. Is it the universe or your own strength?
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Atomic_Decay said:
I think the measure of problematic is better looked at through the degree of impact the drug has on your health and desired quality of life, including your relationships, employment, education, and goals.

We know that meth in particular has a high probability of damaging all these things. For some people that damage can occur after a first-time month long daily binge but for others it might come only after 2-3 years of casual weekend use.

Until you know yourself well it is hard to judge what drugs are doing to you. And people who do not know themselves well should stay the fuck away from meth more than perhaps any other drug in my experience.
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Yes sure you wright.I am talking about my experience with that substance and how affect me.Well very know the dangers of takin meth.See this everyday.Don't see anything positive of taking that,instead like sexual arousment.Othersbmay be work or studing....I don't use meth anymore.
 
Atomic_Decay said:
I think the measure of problematic is better looked at through the degree of impact the drug has on your health and desired quality of life, including your relationships, employment, education, and goals.

We know that meth in particular has a high probability of damaging all these things. For some people that damage can occur after a first-time month long daily binge but for others it might come only after 2-3 years of casual weekend use.

Until you know yourself well it is hard to judge what drugs are doing to you. And people who do not know themselves well should stay the fuck away from meth more than perhaps any other drug in my experience.
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No man..too powerful for "casual weekend use"...that's not a coke...or even crack...dangerous stuff
 
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