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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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wait til deficit wakes up and sees this...you already know i'll be getting some messages about being "off-topic"

it'll give him something to do today


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Electrum1 said:
I assume he would just be replaced with another WEF funded "Young World Leader"
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Putin is different because he sees the value in Statehood and has not been about toppling regimes, like America. They learned by their fail Afghanistan attempt in the 80s.

He didn't like Assad either and didn't want chemical weapons being used so he manipulated the Syrian govt into removing them by getting permission from them to openly go in and fight ISIS. Now Syria is in debted to Russia and Assad is an ally. America is hated by Africa and the Middle East, Russia is not.

Putin has not insisted Zelensky what's his face be removed because why bother, he knows Ukraine is a mess and any replacement will just be starting all over again. Putin is just removing USA and UK artillery that threatens Russia and has acted to protect Russians in East Ukraine that have been bombed for 8 years. All this hoopla from America is so ridiculous, it proves Putin is right to be worried about Russias security.

The Ukraine will probably end up being divided up into smaller countries . The Soviets made the border in 1917, theres no reason it should stay the exact same just because America wants control of it.
 
I cannot believe how irrelevant the likes of me and my ilk are in this day and age. Although young folk are supposed to be driving the world the lack of paranoia from those who grew up post Cold War, while great in principle is starting to look really naive with respect to the current mess. One of my formative experiences upon gaining self awareness during the first few years of the 80's (I was born in 79) was the nightmare of the balloon going up.

Although I only caught the tail end of the madness, tensions were as high circa 84 as they were during the Cuban crises. By the time the planet was cursed with my presence however, the mass delusion that a strategic nuclear exchange was winnable had long gone and although I knew nothing about the geopolitics at 5 years old, the likes of films such as 'Threads' and 'When the Wind Blows' were more than able to paint an understandable picture of the consequences. When the Iron Curtain fell, the optimism of the 1990's, most defined in the UK through the club and rave scene created a counter delusion of the world being more or less safe from such a catastrophe. The fucking drugs do work, far too well and as a natural born bleeding heart lefty I was stupid enough to think that society was moving forward in all sorts of ways.

Well, the last decade put me well in my place. Bluelighter's engage in a global online community to denounce globalism, might is once again right and all it took to 'own the libs' and suchlike was for people to continuously celebrate how much they hate beta boys such as yours truly. The M.A.D. doctrine of nuclear deterrence always worked while it was in everyone's self interest to stay alive but the behaviour of the Russian President has become frighteningly illogical.

That's my 2 cents. I am not saying I am right, or even that I am sane, just that I have not had concerns of this nature for 35 years or there abouts.
 
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steewith2ees said:
Well, the last decade put me well in my place. Bluelighter's engage in a global online community to denounce globalism, might is once again right and all it took to 'own the libs' and suchlike was for people to continuously celebrate how much they hate beta boys such as yours truly. The M.A.D. doctrine of nuclear deterrence always worked while it was in everyone's self interest to stay alive but the behaviour of the Russian President has become frighteningly illogical.
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There's nothing wrong with wanting peace on earth, but the "liberal" position today is to pretend like our governance model isn't being hijacked piecemeal in front of our eyes by globalists that want to recreate the Soviet Union only with sanctions and social credit instead of bullets and bombs.

The partisan bickering is pointless given that our "conservative" leaders are also on-board with implementing globalist objectives (or can be manipulated to that end).

But IME, it's easier to convince the average conservative today that there's something sinister going on. All I seem to get from educated, enlightened liberals is some condescending bullshit about how life has never been better and fantastic progress is.

Ok, but what is the destination for all our social progress? Progress for progress sake is not an ethos, it's simply neverending social revolution.
 
steewith2ees said:
The M.A.D. doctrine of nuclear deterrence always worked while it was in everyone's self interest to stay alive but the behaviour of the Russian President has become frighteningly illogical.
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If it makes you feel more secure - Russian President has not become frighteningly illogical. He was saying all along what he will do and then done it. He lies to his nation, to the world, to anybody - if he thinks that it makes him a bit closer to his bigger goals about which he is very much honest and persistent for last decade.

He never cared about civilian victims, even of his own nation. Wars he waged were always full of blood and destruction from day one. In fact for first week he waged a war that was more inclined to keep as much of Ukraine intacted. When things didn't go as he expected he retreated to old style "kill em all, use all means, starve them to death if you have to" tactics.

He is an authoritharian ego tripper, a mass murdered and a war criminal - but he always told what will be the consequences if things don't go this or that way. Most open authoritarian that I know off - when talking about bigger picture.

How much this outcome is tragic Putin all along said that he will not allow Ukraine and NATO in the same sentence - no matter the cost. And this is the cost unfortunately. But he was quite open about not letting Ukraine go more to the west let alone closer to NATO. This is not illogical behaviour by Putins standards.

Is that more or less scary I can not tell...
 
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✿Dai₷y✿ said:
I read an article somewhere that quoted someone in American politics that Zelensky would just be replaced should anything happen to him.

Since when does America have any authority in a foreign government anyway, shouldn't the Ukranian govt speak for themsrlves?

We all know America installed its own puppet govt in 2014, theres been about 3 changes of corrupt criminal puppets since then and the Ukraine has not been able to survive without billions of foreign aid.

Fuck the Ukraine, its a shitshow like any other thing America interferes with.

Russia is better off concentrating on protecting its border, Dombass and Crimea, park nukes facing in the direction of Kiev and get out of there.

I wouldn't blame Putin if he nuked Europe yet he should just aim at Biden, kill the Queen to kill the nest.
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Man, I swear, it's a lot easier to throw the idea of nuclear warfare around when you live on an island continent that's thousands of miles away from where any of this stuff is happening
Mr. Krinkle said:
wait til deficit wakes up and sees this...you already know i'll be getting some messages about being "off-topic"

it'll give him something to do today


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Speak of the devil and he shall appear.

NOW BACK TO TOPIC!!!!
 
deficiT said:
NOW BACK TO TOPIC!!!!
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Well I don't see any discussions about this Russian hypersonic missile system that other country's, USA included, dont have. USA is testing and I see reports that it will be ready for use till 2024. That is a huge thing - Russia may have fucked up the "special operation" aka war, but they successfully used most advanced missile system that is flying at speeds of over 10 machs (maybe even twice that speed), is very precise, changing directions unpredictably and has serious blast yield. I am no expert in weaponry but the sheer fact thhat Russians beat DARPA in this thing should be very disturbing for USA/NATO forces.

Everyone is focused about how many days this is going on but Putin showed the latest generation tech on battlefield and god knows how much of them he has in the arsenal. Knowing how deep Russian ties go with China most certainly China is also ahead of USA in this regard. Or am I missing something here and blowing it out of proportions (no pun...)?
 
Sunyecho said:
Well I don't see any discussions about this Russian hypersonic missile system that other country's, USA included, dont have. USA is testing and I see reports that it will be ready for use till 2024. That is a huge thing - Russia may have fucked up the "special operation" aka war, but they successfully used most advanced missile system that is flying at speeds of over 10 machs (maybe even twice that speed), is very precise, changing directions unpredictably and has serious blast yield. I am no expert in weaponry but the sheer fact thhat Russians beat DARPA in this thing should be very disturbing for USA/NATO forces.

Everyone is focused about how many days this is going on but Putin showed the latest generation tech on battlefield and god knows how much of them he has in the arsenal. Knowing how deep Russian ties go with China most certainly China is also ahead of USA in this regard. Or am I missing something here and blowing it out of proportions (no pun...)?
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Idk if you saw these, but here's a video that allegedly shows one in the air and a sonic boom. Idk if I believe it.
Also, an article that has an update at the bottom that says it hit a farm and not a weapons depot.



www.thedrive.com

We Have Questions About Russia's Claimed Kinzhal Hypersonic Missile Use In Ukraine (Updated)

The apparent first use of Russia's air-launched hypersonic ballistic missile against a target in Ukraine doesn't all add up.
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com
 
It was confirmed by Pentagon...

CNN US officials confirm Russia has used hypersonic missiles against Ukraine

"US officials confirmed to CNN that Russia launched hypersonic missiles against Ukraine last week, the first known use of such missiles in combat. The US was able to track the launches in real time, the sources said.

The launches were likely intended to test the weapons and send a message to the West about Russian capabilities, multiple sources told CNN."

I dont have energy to find more credible sources. Sorry... ✌️
 
Sunyecho said:
It was confirmed by Pentagon...

CNN US officials confirm Russia has used hypersonic missiles against Ukraine

"US officials confirmed to CNN that Russia launched hypersonic missiles against Ukraine last week, the first known use of such missiles in combat. The US was able to track the launches in real time, the sources said.

The launches were likely intended to test the weapons and send a message to the West about Russian capabilities, multiple sources told CNN."

I dont have energy to find more credible sources. Sorry... ✌️
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Thanks. I definitely believe it happened, I just meant that idk if the video I posted is legit, or cgi or something.
 
Here's a long thread of videos of what appears to be Ukranians torturing other Ukrainians. Twitter may make it where you need an account to see them, so if interested then look at the thread before that happens, or the account gets suspended.

 
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