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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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I don't understand your view. You hate the west, you hate the east... You just hate every superpower and everything? Who's side are you on?
Why should I pick the side of any superpower. All these conglomerations of power are repugnant bullshit. What about the side of basic humanity, the average person who just wants to be left alone and doesn't have grandiose dreams of being a power crazed lunatic?

We don't need superpowers. So long as you keep buying into the game nothing will ever improve.
 
Why should I pick the side of any superpower. All these conglomerations of power are repugnant bullshit. What about the side of basic humanity, the average person who just wants to be left alone and doesn't have grandiose dreams of being a power crazed lunatic?

We don't need superpowers. So long as you keep buying into the game nothing will ever improve.
Well, a peace and love hippie idealism is nice and all and yes they are all bullshit to some degree, but let's be realistic here.

My opinion is based on reality. There will ALWAYS be corruption and war. It's human nature. Consolidation of power.

I choose not to distress myself with things that are not realistically going to change anytime soon, right?

In terms of quality of life and basic (limited) freedoms the west is what I choose.

The West is no angel... But I choose to support it. We are all forced to choose sides in life and make compromise.

Dissenting and complaining about everything and everyone seems pointless to me.
 
And this is acceptable? What happened to sovereign nations, democracy, and self-determination?

You may enjoy a book entitled The Sovereign Individual. It is theorized that the nation states of the West will collapse under the burden of unfunded entitlements, and that technological advances offer a way to free individuals from the shackles of nation-state bondage (i.e. citizenship).

The book was published in 1999 IIRC and was already talking about concepts like cryptocurrencies and digital nomads, and even made the prediction that states will use bioweapons to restrict movement and terrorize citizens into acquiescence. Hits a bit close to home...

Also in the book is a lot of historical context, it explains how Western hegemony transitioned from the HRE to merchant republics to the modern nation-state. All in all an informative read as well as interesting speculation.


we love the sanctimonious and pompous pricks of the establishment telling us what is correct and what is wrong.

Neitzsche made a good case for how morality creates culture. Ergo, it is necessary for our shared cultural narrative to have a strong moral basis, in order to create a spiritual/mental bond between people and their environment.

The problem for us with this system is that it is predicated on our elites being a part of it, as to a large extent they were in the days of WWI and WWII. Now though, we have ourselves the problem of these "rootless cosmopolitans" (globalists) trying to hijack our collective narrative to further their own ambitions.

I think what's happening is that, with mass migration and supranational IGOs, we are witnessing the dissolution of the nation-state (sovereignty) in the West. An increasing amount of people feel alienated in their own countries of birth, which threatens their spiritual bond to the nation/narrative and cultural mores.

It feels like the globalists are trying to recreate the HRE, only instead of priests we have newsmedia and a revolving door of vetted experts telling us what to think, and instead of God, we have emotional manipulation masquerading as a moral justification.

As for how Ukraine ties into all that, well, it makes sense if you assume Ukraine is also a chess piece that has been played into an en passant. There is some element of realpolitik, and some element of ethnic conflict. I have friends who were displaced by this and even they don't fully grasp why this is happening.

We are lost in a fog of war because we don't see the whole board, and exposing the players will be the only way towards true justice.
 
Russia has a massive amount of Middle Eastern numbers in demographics. A large percentage of the population migration as well. It seems like a fight for territory. Duh. And all of the above. And I am not trying to sound racism at all. And I am not being racist. But even when I say Wuhan there is someone that always get offended.
War for Territory. Most definitely.
China probably wants to expand as well. Duh. I mean c'mon. This is a bunch of s#!t. But what you goin ta do NOW.
 
Lmao, why does it matter that he's Jewish?
It just takes validity away from the original stated purpose of the invasion which was 'denazification' and regime change. And that was so unbelievable by the whole world that they started picking up this biolab story. Its all BS.

If that was the real reason, why didn't they start with that?
 
Russian military is taking more hits than it should due to its attempt to minimize civilian casualties.
Compare that with the US method of invasion (Iraq for eg.) where they literally just blow up everything in front of them, civilians included.

Although in the first month of the Gulf War (also based on lies) the US military lost 75 aircraft.

Anyone remember this?
U.S. bombing of Afghanistan hospital not a 'war crime'
Funny I didn't see any American houses lit up in black, red and green. Americans wouldn't even know that's the colours of the Afghan flag (although the flag might be the Taliban flag now).

That might have been true the first couple days, but now its indiscriminate. 90% of Mariupol is destroyed. Shelling day and night all over the country. How is that ' minimizing civilian casualties?'

The afghan war is just whataboutism. I don't see anyone here defending the afghan war, I'm certainly not.. but I am 100% sure that a war between the US and Afghanistan doesn't justify a war between Russia and Ukraine. Its a red herring, completely irrelevant.
 


Also Trump sucking Putin's dick endlessly

These links are recent and not difficult to find
Bullshit stories from a far left source…. Iv watched cralson and he dosent praise Putin….show me a clip of him praising or justifying Putin, shouldn’t be hard to find I imagine….
 
JGrimez said:
Russian military is taking more hits than it should due to its attempt to minimize civilian casualties.

I live in Kyiv. And every morning they shell at least a few houses. They aim at houses with a height of more than 9 floors. The town of Bucha, 15 kilometers from Kyiv, was turned into ruins. Mariupol became a hostage city. blackmail "green corridor". 1,500 women and children in the basement of the Drama Theater littered with rubble (here it is worth noting that a bomb was dropped there two hours later, after the evacuated resident said live about how many people were hiding there) I am talking on a telegram with a man from occupied Kherson: break into apartments at night and take people away in an unknown direction. Method 1937. Etc. 70% of Russians are brainwashed with propaganda. Is this an attempt to minimize civilian casualties? No, this is blood and terror. It didn’t work out “for good”, which means we will beat some, so that others would be afraid. Until fear paralyzes. This is their method.
 
JGrimez said:
Russian military is taking more hits than it should due to its attempt to minimize civilian casualties.

I live in Kyiv. And every morning they shell at least a few houses. They aim at houses with a height of more than 9 floors. The town of Bucha, 15 kilometers from Kyiv, was turned into ruins. Mariupol became a hostage city. blackmail "green corridor". 1,500 women and children in the basement of the Drama Theater littered with rubble (here it is worth noting that a bomb was dropped there two hours later, after the evacuated resident said live about how many people were hiding there) I am talking on a telegram with a man from occupied Kherson: break into apartments at night and take people away in an unknown direction. Method 1937. Etc. 70% of Russians are brainwashed with propaganda. Is this an attempt to minimize civilian casualties? No, this is blood and terror. It didn’t work out “for good”, which means we will beat some, so that others would be afraid. Until fear paralyzes. This is their method.
Wish you well friend. Canada is sending arms and taking in refugees. Slava Ukraini
 
I can’t find a clip of him justifying the war, so please post it, and not some old video pre invasion plz
Never said he justified the war, he is simply downplaying it and shifting blame towards their gripes with Biden. Controlling is population and saying things that make Putin look not so bad.

Its weird. Just google or youtube "tucker Carlson putin" but you mighr have to watch some dirty leftist fake news
 
When was that originally aired ? Pre the invasion…I don’t see him justifying the war in that as it haven’t happened yet
You are moving the goal posts, that is a completely different question than what you originally asked.

And yet.... this video posted since the invasion played so nicely into putins hands that they are airing clips of it on russian state tv.

 
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