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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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@Electrum1 I'm not at all surprised that people who couldn't wait for all the facts to come out about the newfangled vaccines also couldn't wait for the facts to come out about the Ukraine situation.

Without newsmedia telling us what's going on and how to think about it, it's extremely doubtful anyone would have any opinion of their own on a war in Ukraine. But you go try and tell people this is proof that they're being manipulated.
I would bet $1000 that the reason unvaccinated don't think it's warcrimes is because they're getting their opinions from their own news sources, not that they aren't listening to news in general

their own sources are also telling you what to think and how to think about it..... the left is certainly not the only side susceptible to propaganda and it's foolish and silly to think otherwise.. the right is not a bunch of "free thinkers" immune to suggestion, lol

tell me, what do you think about the war in ukraine? you think putin is justified? do you not believe citizens are being targeted?

right wing politicians in the US are praising Putin and calling Zelensky a "thug"... why?

There are war crimes in every war and the west is certainly not above it, but this isn't a reason to downplay what Russia is doing right now.
 
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Funny how that information didn't become a justification until it was picked up from conspiratorial circles in the US. You think if you're gonna invade a country, you would start with the so called labs, instead of denatizying a country with a jewish president. There are biolabs all around the world, it doesn't mean they have malicious or aggressive intentions. This is simply trying to distract from the actual story that Russia is flattening ukraine, illegally and unprovoked. The west should be rallying together, not giving oxygen to a dictators misinformation campaign.
 
I would bet $1000 that the reason unvaccinated don't think it's warcrimes is because they're getting their opinions from their own news sources, not that they aren't listening to news in general

their own sources are also telling you what to think and how to think about it..... the left is certainly not the only side susceptible to propaganda and it's foolish and silly to think otherwise.. the right is not a bunch of "free thinkers" immune to suggestion, lol

tell me, what do you think about the war in ukraine? you think putin is justified? do you not believe citizens are being targeted?

right wing politicians in the US are praising Putin and calling Zelensky a "thug"... why?

There are war crimes in every war and the west is certainly not above it, but this isn't a reason to downplay what Russia is doing right now.
You wanna know what I think?

I think Russia sucks, but I also think that the CIA installed fake Ukrainian govt sucks even more, fuck them, I hope they fall and the globalist empire takes a loss. Don't give a fuck what consequences Russia suffers, fuck them too.

#Covid19
 
I would bet $1000 that the reason unvaccinated don't think it's warcrimes is because they're getting their opinions from their own news sources, not that they aren't listening to news in general

their own sources are also telling you what to think and how to think about it..... the left is certainly not the only side susceptible to propaganda and it's foolish and silly to think otherwise.. the right is not a bunch of "free thinkers" immune to suggestion, lol

tell me, what do you think about the war in ukraine? you think putin is justified? do you not believe citizens are being targeted?

right wing politicians in the US are praising Putin and calling Zelensky a "thug"... why?

There are war crimes in every war and the west is certainly not above it, but this isn't a reason to downplay what Russia is doing right now.
I don’t think Iv seen FOX or “the right” praise Putin ,….
 
Why is everyone so upset abut Ukraine snd not Yemen? Why is west not trying to bring democracy to Saudi Arabia and rescue a people of that country from a regieme that is more brutal than Putins?

West (France, UK, USA) loves wars and hypocrisy about how Ukrainian sovereignty must be preserved is a hypocrisy. It would be a joke if it wasnt a war and people are dying cause lunatics are playing geopolitics.

Putin is a war criminal, just as Bush and Blair cause of Iraq and like Biden is for supporting Saudis.

Regarding the war I don't think Putin will be stopped. China is watching his back, India will not stop buying oil from Russia and Turkey has been shown as not such a big NATO fan... Calculate number of people that are not wling to oppose Putin and some (China) are willing to directly help him. Around 3 billion people are living in India and China. Just China the biggest Putins ally has 1.5 billion people and an army to back it up. It us sad but Ukraine will be flattened.

In the end Putin will take the south of Ukraine (and control of Black Sea), with the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. I don't think he will go for whole country, but he will get the most important geo strategic parts of Ukraine. He will declare "victory, as he achieved the goal of a special military operation".

Just my view... Peace.
 
Sorry for double posting but few of my thoughts more:

-Ukraine mass mobilised the country, so every man in Ukraine will be imprisoned or killed by his government if he refuses to fight im this war

-Russia has not done so, they even didn't use their whole military

-Russia is asking China for help with weapons that are precise, they have enough missiles to just flatten the whole of Ukraine - the tacticts they will now employ more and more

-Ukraine will loose many more people if this war goes for another month as Putin will start to indiscriminately bomb major cities and this help from the west is not to help Ukraines people, it is a proxy war against Russia

-Saudi Arabia is considering selling oil to China in currency other than USD and at the same time Mohammed bin Salman is refusing to take a phone call from Biden (petrodollar is in jeopardy).

This are all games way above my level but some very interesting conclusions can be made from this points if they are true and as I see them. This whole globe is going rapidly towards escalation and scary outcomes...I root for not waging wars, but that is a phantasy as long ss nationalism exists.
 
@Electrum1 I'm not at all surprised that people who couldn't wait for all the facts to come out about the newfangled vaccines also couldn't wait for the facts to come out about the Ukraine situation.

Without newsmedia telling us what's going on and how to think about it, it's extremely doubtful anyone would have any opinion of their own on a war in Ukraine. But you go try and tell people this is proof that they're being manipulated.
Absolutely. The average person in the West is like a trained dog that rolls over on command when the idiot lantern in their living room commands it. It's embarrassing, truly. The people of the UK are especially susceptible to propaganda, we love the sanctimonious and pompous pricks of the establishment telling us what is correct and what is wrong. Most people never graduate from the school-teacher mentality, they are taught what to think not how to think. Trained up like good little Pavlovian subjects.

People place way too much trust in the mainstream media and government. Still. After 20+ years of bullshit and lies. It's incredible. I feel like I've been living in a bad dream since my teenage years, surrounded by utter lunatics with the dimmed awareness of actual persons in my dreams.

So long as people continue to believe that a Boeing-757 piloted by utter imbeciles, flying at maximum operating speed at ground level, could hit the Pentagon at precisely ground level without so much as even scratching the grass... then they will believe any fucking garbage that is served up to them by the establishment. The mainstream media only shows the fireballs, the explosions, the smoke, the crying babies and emotional women.. IT NEVER SHOWS THE FUCKING CONTEXT THAT UNDERMINES THE NARRATIVE.

I think Russia sucks, but I also think that the CIA installed fake Ukrainian govt sucks even more, fuck them, I hope they fall and the globalist empire takes a loss. Don't give a fuck what consequences Russia suffers, fuck them too.
This. People continue to live in this fucking delusional reality that the USA/UK aren't duplicitous scumfucks that would conspire to cause conflict and death for the sole purposes of generating economic activity and furthering globalist ambitions. The CIA and MI6 are the instruments of the establishment to meddle on the international stage "legally". Always have been.

Here is the list of all the countries the United States has 'involved' itself in. It's so long you have to scroll...
United States involvement in "regime change"
 
-Ukraine mass mobilised the country, so every man in Ukraine will be imprisoned or killed by his government if he refuses to fight im this war
Nothing says "democracy" quite like forcing you to fight for the ambitions of the multi-million dollar politicians which Zelensky and his literal (failed) joker posse are.

Democracy is about freedom, supposedly. How free are you if you're not given a choice over whether you wish to donate your life or not? If you can't walk away from the games others wish to play? That is not democracy and freedom to me, only a pathetic veneer.

Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Russia. Fuck the UK/USA for their warmongering meddling in the shadows over the past 10+ years in Ukraine. The whole world is a stage and it's about damn time the audience cornered the financiers of this shitty production and hung them from the VIP balcony with wire from the orchestral piano.
 
I don’t think Iv seen FOX or “the right” praise Putin ,….


Also Trump sucking Putin's dick endlessly

These links are recent and not difficult to find
 
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You wanna know what I think?

I think Russia sucks, but I also think that the CIA installed fake Ukrainian govt sucks even more, fuck them, I hope they fall and the globalist empire takes a loss. Don't give a fuck what consequences Russia suffers, fuck them too.

#Covid19
Personally no matter what I think of the CIA I'm glad they are on our side.

Of course the US probably had a hand in "westernizing" Ukraine. That's what we do.

Is that really such a bad thing in your opinion?

The cold war never ended.
 
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Of course the US probably had a hand in "westernizing" Ukraine. That's what we do.
And this is acceptable? What happened to sovereign nations, democracy, and self-determination?

The double standards, duplicitous, moral posturing of the West is vomit inducing. I don't like people who are cunts (not you) but pretend like they're not. Of course we can't admit to what we do because then that would expose the entire charade, the house of lies that the West is built on.

Living in London I'm reminded of this every day, because this is where all the illicit money flows into and then offshore, all while our politicians grandstand and pretend they know nothing about it the cunts.
 
And this is acceptable? What happened to sovereign nations, democracy, and self-determination?
Yeah. If we don't, the commies will.

I don't understand your view. You hate the west, you hate the east... You just hate every superpower and everything? Who's side are you on?

The global socio geo political war is never going to end. Choose a side. You can't avoid it.
 
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