Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

[December Flower]

That's exactly what Russia has been doing in Ukraine for the last 8 years in Ukraine funding separatists to overthrow the government and place a puppet leader in that leans towards Russia. It didn't work and Russia made the excuse of NATO expanding so he could topple Ukraine and place his puppet leader. Russia purposefully attacks civilians it's actually a tactic to put pressure on governments. The United States did the same stuff in Syria and Iraq funding ISIS and displacing millions and killing many just because they wanted another place they could expand their military and make more money. We're not going to get into this because I will get banned but the united states actors cause intentional death to be able to pass laws and start wars.

Russia should have never invaded Ukraine because it exposed how underfunded and weak their military actually is. Just shows how big geography plays a large part. That's why Russia wants Ukraine so bad, It also shows that NATO and the UN actually work at denying countries from becoming nazi Germany again.

Ah so u know the US does this, but when they tell you Russia does it you believe them? I advise you to put some research into the civilian snipings in 2014

 

[-=SS=-]

The hysteria over this situation is absolutely incredible and it just reinforces my belief that I'm surrounded by morons who'll believe literally anything that the TV tells them. You want to see the real danger to humanity? Then don't look to Vlad, look at that idiot lantern sitting in the corner of your living room.

We've literally spent the last two years under assault from our own governments and their psychological manipulation. This is a fact. FACT. It is demonstrable and proven. And now people are just willing to jump off a fucking cliff for a situation and context they know absolutely nothing about, thousands of miles away, whilst our establishment starts warming up the war machine in the background.

Holy Christ, people are fucking dumb. Real dumb. Total hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness. You've been played at covid and now at the moment when the scam falls apart in plain view (No.10 parties in Spring 2020) you try to distract from your own inadequacies and failings by projecting on to this situation elsewhere.

So get out the Ukrainian flags and smash your Russian vodka. Maybe clap on your doorsteps again? Put on a yellow and blue face mask to show your doubly proud virtue?

I swear I'm stuck in a bad dream sometimes.

 

[Nas47]

See how antipathy or even hate are born.We used to forget,that we all are human.To die for your country-that is shameless lie.In fact you die for someones wallet.My planet is my country

SOTT.net is an aggregate site, if you click the headlines you get re-directed to the source. So they didn't even write the articles. Shows how inept you are at basic research. The fact is that Israel was arming Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Teh irony.

 

[Nas47]

SOTT.net is an aggregate site, if you click the headlines you get re-directed to the source. So they didn't even write the articles. Shows how inept you are at basic research. The fact is that Israel was arming Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Teh irony.

Theres some truth in this words.Israeli government are real nazis.Look how they treat arabs.

 

[PurifiedDrinkingWater]

Ah so u know the US does this, but when they tell you Russia does it you believe them? I advise you to put some research into the civilian snipings in 2014

I just said they do this in my previous comment. Russia's like a child that can't get attention from it's mother so it acts out to get attention and its way. Russia right now is the only country right now that is being investigated for war crimes that are on video. It's clear who Ukraine wants to side with there's no discussion about that. Ukrainians want nothing to do with that and Putin will have all his conscripts and soldiers killed in vain for a country he will never have influence and control again. If people really wanted Russian they would have embraced the invasion but they didn't.


If a western-backed government isn't considered a legit government either is a Russian-backed government.

 

[deficiT]

funnily enough that never matters when the US makes a move.
Oh, you're just funding terrorists in Syria, that's nice. And yes, you still fund and train them.
That's fine. You attack country after country. No issue there, why should there be?
You fund terrorist organisations all over the world (just like Svoboda and Far Right, Azov, etc in Ukraine) to destabilize countries.

Russia makes a move: "INNOCENTS ARE DYING"

I hate how two-faced everyone is about this. What makes Putin's war any worse than any US war?
He even tries as best as possible to save Civilians. It was Ukraineans President who forbade males between 18-60 to leave the country.
Ofc their families stay there too, if the males leave they can never go back.
Who is killing the innocents?

I am literally the last person on the planet you can accuse of being hypocritical regarding US foreign policy. I have not supported a single military action the US has made basically in my lifetime, and I am vocally anti-war in all of it's forms, regardless who's the aggressor.

Don't pin that bad juju on me.

 

[deficiT]

As well can we please stop with the self righteous bullshit? Or at least give it a rest for a bit?

Stop going on diatribes about how everyone's dumb, stop telling people they need go read more, or they don't understand, whatever.

It makes having conversations in here a complete nightmare and it just adds to everyone's frustration.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

What changed is the USA funding Svoboda and the ultranationalists.

They're not bombing Russia, they were bombing the 2 now sovereign states that seperated from Ukraine.
All 3 states that seperated from Ukraine did so on their own accord, please don't forget that.
They voted to get out of Ukraine, for which Ukraine started a war against them. And Ukraine voted against anti-Nazism and a resolution https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/us-ukraine-vote-against-anti-nazism-unga-resolution

Not sure how voting works in Ukraine, but it at least means either the Presiden, or 51% of the population are far-right.

There's so many obvious facts lying around on the internet, and i'm sick of hearing "Russia is the bad guy"
srsly they're just not. it was a trap by the US. Russia is done without Ukraine.

Oh stop

So why did the U.S. vote against it? probably because it had something to do with freedom of speech, and with freedom of speech, you get the good with the bad - but the benefits outweigh the risks (here we go with that again right? )

see they don't give you the details in that article, just that the US voted against it, so they must be nazis too lol

we in the US don't put people in jail for using the sieg heil salute - you guys in Germany do that - we don't because you have the right sieg heil all you want - you might get beat up for it but that's besides the point

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

The Neo-Nazi rhetoric re: Ukraine seems very overblown to me. Svoboda, the ultranationalist political party in Ukraine, received under 2 percent of the vote in the same election that Zelensky came out the victor in. That's not exactly a robust performance for the far-right.

Some "anti-imperialist" commentators seemingly cannot talk about Ukraine at all without bringing up Azov Battalion or some other marginal bonehead group. It also ignores the fact that Putin's Russia has increasingly relied on nationalist/chauvinist and far-right elements within the state to shore up their own position after 2014, with the hilariously-named Liberal Democratic Party being put into service for the Kremlin in this way...much in the same way that Ukrainian government was permissive with nationalist and far-right militias after Maidan and subsequent developments in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.

There are Neo-Nazi boneheads in Ukraine, of course, just as there are in Russia. But it's a marginal fringe political movement, and it's just a weird thing to focus on imo. I get why he's doing it, though, it's the kind of crude, lame propaganda that the former Soviet Union used to specialize in

this ^

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

No.Nazis are nazis.They are sick of the sickest.All their ideals are based on hate.Far right groups are many in US.What control of the left is there?They have multinational web of people all around the world.We have nazis too.A small groups of semiidiotic football fans,which are willing to beat to death any gypsy,afroman,hooker or an addict.They are scumbags of the world.Politics here,like everybody else used them for various provocation.They are involved with drug trade on more lower side.Putin cross the borders.He is invader yes,but why this happened?Because of some greedy politics and lies and actions of the west.Now world giving guns to Ukrains is guilty of lost human lifes.Now this west rulers lead the world to extermination.Lets all them burn in hell.

You do know i live in the US, and here you are, trying to tell me, that there's many far right groups in the US, and im here to tell ya, that's just not true - its very fringe

i don't know what you guys are watching, reading, or are being told, but it's not what you think it is here

 

[w01fg4ng]

^ He lives in Cali, don't listen to him

I saw I nazi group hanging out on the corner just the other day right outside of orlando

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

i don't live in Cali

i live in far right washington state

 

[w01fg4ng]

Love the bets @alasdairm

Keep em coming

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Love the bets @alasdairm

Keep em coming

 

[deficiT]

Yeah I'm getting tired of this "nobody is the good guy, everyone is the bad guy" weaksauce, fence-sit analysis.

If the will of the people in Eastern Ukraine was respected, then Russia would not be "invading".
Just like when the western media went apoplectic in 2014 when Russia allegedly "invaded" Crimea. Their troops were already stationed there, under agreement.


It does matter. Russia is focused on minimizing civilian casualties as they're not in the (American) business of indiscriminate bombing.
It's noteworthy and they should be commended somewhat for it

Russia takes aim at urban areas; Biden vows Putin will 'pay'

Russian forces have escalated their attacks on crowded urban areas in what Ukraine’s leader called a blatant campaign of terror. U.S.

apnews.com

The shelled apartment buildings and city squares tells a different story about "minimizing casualties". Now, I'm not saying Russia is indiscriminately carpet bombing or committing genocide, but I don't think they're too worried about civilian casualties as they are specifically attacking civilian targets.

Who is killing the innocents?

Russia. Russia is. Ya know, the ones launching large ground invasions and shelling cities?

 

[Nas47]

You do know i live in the US, and here you are, trying to tell me, that there's many far right groups in the US, and im here to tell ya, that's just not true - its very fringe

i don't know what you guys are watching, reading, or are being told, but it's not what you think it is here

Same to you.I live in Balkans.Odessa is very,very close to me.You dont know nothing about whats goin on here or in Russia or Ukraine.Have friends from Russia,which have friends and families in Ukraine.Thats how i get my info.As to Nazi group from US its very clear they are plentiful-Arian brotherhood got thousand members and are powerful weaponized gang...theres a many others too.Now that clown Zelenski ask everyone,which wanna fight for "freedome "in Ukraine go there.It forsure come many nazis from over the world to fight with Right sector and Azov.This scumbag terrorized and humiliate russians eight years.They just wanna suck Euro funds like ours idiots.All this bullshit about freedome just don_t exist there.Russia-same shit.For what fight and died Martin Luter King?So much years and racial problem rise with huge power in US.I am not a blind.Learn your history.Have couple of books about different native tribes and their famous chiefs.Pure anthropology.So...for some nobody know enough for America.What you know about Balkans?About Russia?About middle East.Pardon me,but my ass is close to fire now,not yours.(for now)

 

[Jackal]

the belarussians have joined

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

i worked in a prison

Arian Brotherhood aren't nazis

even the skinheads don't like them

if the skins dont like em, they're not nazis

 

[Nas47]

Russia takes aim at urban areas; Biden vows Putin will 'pay'

Russian forces have escalated their attacks on crowded urban areas in what Ukraine’s leader called a blatant campaign of terror. U.S.

apnews.com

The shelled apartment buildings and city squares tells a different story about "minimizing casualties". Now, I'm not saying Russia is indiscriminately carpet bombing or committing genocide, but I don't think they're too worried about civilian casualties as they are specifically attacking civilian targets.


Russia. Russia is. Ya know, the ones launching large ground invasions and shelling cities?

Both sides killing the innocents.Theres no good guys here in war.Only beasts.

 

[JGrimez]

Russia takes aim at urban areas; Biden vows Putin will 'pay'

Russian forces have escalated their attacks on crowded urban areas in what Ukraine’s leader called a blatant campaign of terror. U.S.

apnews.com

The shelled apartment buildings and city squares tells a different story about "minimizing casualties". Now, I'm not saying Russia is indiscriminately carpet bombing or committing genocide, but I don't think they're too worried about civilian casualties as they are specifically attacking civilian targets.


Russia. Russia is. Ya know, the ones launching large ground invasions and shelling cities?

This is fake news meant to make Russia look bad.
If it were true that Russians were attempting to minimize civilian casualties, do you think the western Mockingbird media would report that? Highly unlikely.