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Ethnobotanicals Worried about Papa Iboga

What do Central African pygmies and other tribes think of Westerners taking Ibogaine? What do those tribes say about Ibogaine taking a male presence, showing people other realities, and seeing Centuries old ancestors the way Original Poster and others who have taken it have described?

I found this on wiki, it must have been a low or moderate dose?

French explorers in turn learned of it from the Bwiti tribe and brought ibogaine back to Europe in 1899–1900, where it was subsequently marketed in France as a stimulant under the trade name Lambarène.
Cult bwiti is established by Fangs which are bantu tribe,not pygmeis,but this knowledge came from this small forest people.Bwiti members use iboga like eucharistia(sacrament)-the flesh of the God in similar way like Santo Daime and Union des vegetals use ajahuasca and Native American Church use peotl.The bwitist are open to any other to be part of them regardless of race and religion.In fact this cult is rapidly spreading in neighboring african countries and even beyond.After the nightly Saturday mess usually most of the members go in Sunday morning christian service in near church.
 
Maybe you should heed the experience and stop taking Ibogaine and all drugs? What will you do if Papa Ibogaine takes a belt to your ass, spanks you, and bitch slaps you?



Maybe I like getting my ass kicked by ascended beings/plant spirits/whatever this is. Don't 5th dimensionally kink shame me.

In all seriousness, I'm already going downhill pretty quickly since my original post and I'd rather one of these plant spirits take my life than some pharmaceuticals or some shitty chinese fentalogue.

When talking about Ibogaine, I think an important thing to bring up is that after the initial 2 to 3 months of afterglow, it can get pretty depressing crashing back to reality. I also live alone, and just kind of coasted through it so I don't think that helped. I had a good week going but now I'm just fucking my receptors again 🙁.
 
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For those that have been through a flood, does it feel there is almost a rebound effect once the afterglow is done? It sounds too good to be true for it to not.

-GC
 
For those that have been through a flood, does it feel there is almost a rebound effect once the afterglow is done? It sounds too good to be true for it to not.

-GC
I can only speak for myself but in my experience, I usually level back out at some point between 2 or 3 months. After my 2nd flood, I just picked up weed and stayed off everything else (except Kpins every few months) for nearly 4 years. I've done 3 floods and there were many different circumstances regarding my living situation, diet and general surroundings afterward that led me to relapse.

I believe that there are a lot of factors that go into this. There's diet, exercise, sunlight/Vitamin D however you can get it and a million other things. Basically, IMO Ibogaine is somewhat of a reset button for a few months and those months are absolutely crucial to develop healthy habits like exercise and whatever else. It gives you the opportunity to rewire the reward system in your brain. I play a lot of basketball for that reason, to earn dopamine. I could go into the reason that I've relapsed all 3 times after my floods but it would be long and somewhat egotistical. I've had a somewhat long, very fucked up journey in this life like a lot of people on here probably have too.

I've also convinced probably a dozen of my friends to go do Ibogaine as well. They are all still alive. I know that about half of them are still sober over varying degrees of time. 2 are even working in different recovery type places or aftercare and trying to advocate for plant medicine.

I think that after doing a proper flood and preparing the right way beforehand, you basically become almost like a baby again. It's a great time to pick up new, healthy habits. I quit smoking cigs again this time, started learning Spanish, practiced Guitar, and played a ton of basketball. I also started taking vitamins like Vitamin D and K and also Turmeric and a bunch other stuff.

I'll always have a little bit of a grudge with rehabs and the typical 12 step groups after spending the majority of my 20s in and out of rehabs and meetings, but I also have to give them credit with the fact that having a support group is HUGE. This last time, pretty much everybody that I'd associated with before was doing some kind of a drug and in retrospect, I should have sucked up my pride and just gone to a few meetings during the vulnerable moments. I live alone and could invite plenty of people over but they'd most likely bring drugs. I still strongly believe in this medicine but aftercare is crucial. Nothing else will give you a multiple month head start though.
 
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For those that have been through a flood, does it feel there is almost a rebound effect once the afterglow is done? It sounds too good to be true for it to not.

-GC

There wasn't for me, I felt amazing for years. I probably didn't feel depressed for one single day for 2 or 3 years afterwards, granted I was living my life to the fullest with a bunch of brand new opportunities and free from an oppressive relationship and opiate enslavement, which was a very big factor in that. But I definitely did not notice any sort of rebound.
 
There wasn't for me, I felt amazing for years. I probably didn't feel depressed for one single day for 2 or 3 years afterwards, granted I was living my life to the fullest with a bunch of brand new opportunities and free from an oppressive relationship and opiate enslavement, which was a very big factor in that. But I definitely did not notice any sort of rebound.
Several of my friends said the same thing. The trend that I have noticed with them is that they all seemed to have already developed somewhat of a life beforehand, despite their addictions. Having positive reinforcement from a significant other or kids was a common theme. I lost everything in my addiction and was building from the ground up after my 1st and 2nd floods. I now have an apartment, car, and a now somewhat sporadic job due to Covid. I had a girlfriend for most of the time between my 1st and 3rd flood but my relapse destroyed that.

Where I failed this time was developing healthy relationships. I also had a very toxic relationship before my 3rd flood where a girl was willing to give me benzos, speed and even opiods (family of doctors) She is extremely co dependent and mother Aya said I should've let her go. I cut her off for the first few months and then I folded a few weeks ago as she never stopped calling/texting, even from a million different numbers when I blocked her. My mistakes are my own and I should've sought some positive support which I easily could've but my pride got in the way. I've been a bit off the rails lately.

Unfortunately, the root bark is going to take longer than I expected to get here. There are some interesting sites like Mindvox.com and exciteddelirium.net that are filled with Ibogaine experiences and post Ibogaine experiences. A lot of people struggled and did "boosters" a few months later or microdosed. The general idea is that with somewhat fresh receptors, you are able to retrain your brain's reward system so that postive activities now give you dopamine and whatever else you need, instead of the drugs. I need to do more meditation and more of the Wim Hof breathing technique. That helped a lot last time. I also need to eat better. Btw, I read your Ibogaine report on Erowid. Very indepth and well written, one of the best reports that I've seen. You have an exceptional memory.

Another thing is that I've had at least 10 concussions in my life. My concussion over the summer is what triggered me to start doing opiates again after 4+years and then eventually IV "dope" aka fentalogues. This was all before Flood 3. I have an appointment coming up where I am bringing my MRI from the hospital. I hope there's no serious damage but I have a feeling that's playing a role as well as my overdoses and seizures. Idk, maybe I'm just looking for an excuse. I do think I need to start eating healthier, working out more and finding healthier relationships in my life.
 
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Btw, I read your Ibogaine report on Erowid by the way. Very indepth and well written, one of the best reports that I've seen. You have an exceptional memory.

Thanks. :) The funny thing is, I don't, really. I had a definite memory improvement post-iboga, but the reason I had so much detail is that as soon as I was at all able to I started jotting down notes, little memory hooks for later. Whenever I had a flash of memory, I would stop whatever I was doing and write it down. I started writing the report 5 days after my flood and finished it about 3 and a half weeks afterwards. No way I would have just ben able to remember all of that without making a serious effort.
 
I have nothing useful to offer re: Ibogaine, but I saw one of your other threads and I wanted to reach out to you. You will make it through this if you treat yourself with patience, kindness, gentleness and forgiveness. You deserve to enjoy your life, you deserve love and kindness and healthy relationships with reliable people who will lift you up and support you. Try to resist the urge to return to those who have harmed you with the kind of love that only takes from you. I hope that you find a what you're looking for. Your community is here for you and rooting for you.

In solidarity, friend. You've got this.
 
Hope everyone is doing alright. I got my root bark the other day and I started microdosing yesterday. I am currently withdrawing from suboxone but not too bad. I was trying to space them out and only take them once or twice a week but, of course that turned into ever other day eventually. I still was able to keep it to only about 2 to 3mg at a time for the most part though. I stopped taking benzos a few weeks ago. I was initially very worried about microdosing while still having some of these things in my system but I have been talking to someone lately who is very experienced with this plant and he seems to think it's alright, at least with the suboxone. I was off of it for about 3 days before I started microdosing. It's definitely a good thing that I stopped the benzos about 3 weeks ago.

I took 230mg of root bark yesterday and about 300mg today. I'm going to take a few days off after today. I will keep you guys updated if you want. I'm already starting to think a little more positively it seems but I haven't noticed much effect on my energy level yet. I feel like that could be due to my slight withdrawals from the subs. I wish you all the best.
 
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Good luck man. Your post has reminded me that I have some TA extract still, and I am also coming off of opiates right now (was using very heavy 50-60g/day kratom, which I used to come off very heavy poppy pod doses, and used 3 doses of suboxone to try to rapid taper and miss the worst of acute withdrawal). I forgot that iboga was another thing available to me in my toolset. My other tools are gabapentin, and loperamide. Trying to minimize the use of both, though. I haven't used any loperamide yet because I hate how bad it dries me out at doses needed for withdrawal relief, it's so bad I get esophagus pain when I swallow.
 
I don't mind Papa Iboga it's Papa Lazarou I worry about.
Lol luckily for you it appears Lazarou has been canceled. The streets are safe once more.
Good luck man. Your post has reminded me that I have some TA extract still, and I am also coming off of opiates right now (was using very heavy 50-60g/day kratom, which I used to come off very heavy poppy pod doses, and used 3 doses of suboxone to try to rapid taper and miss the worst of acute withdrawal). I forgot that iboga was another thing available to me in my toolset. My other tools are gabapentin, and loperamide. Trying to minimize the use of both, though. I haven't used any loperamide yet because I hate how bad it dries me out at doses needed for withdrawal relief, it's so bad I get esophagus pain when I swallow.
Thanks man, you too. My buddy has been telling me that I can megadose some Vitamin C to help with my withdrawals. I've never actually tried this before. I've tried all the things that you mentioned. I was addicted to Gabapentin for a while and had a seizure coming off it but that was after years of abusing it a lot and I'd already had previous seizures from benzo withdrawal. I tried the loperamide a few times when I was desperate and at those high doses it really upset my stomach and definitely dried me out like you mentioned.
 
Urban lore suggests that megadosing vitamin C helps with everything, it practically cures AIDS. On the other hand, couldn't hurt to try. The placebo effect is powerful, or it's also possible it could do something, though I doubt it.
 
Urban lore suggests that megadosing vitamin C helps with everything, it practically cures AIDS. On the other hand, couldn't hurt to try. The placebo effect is powerful, or it's also possible it could do something, though I doubt it.
Lol yeah, I'm not really getting my hopes up on that one. If it worked as well as he claims, then I would've already heard about it and most people detoxing would've been doing it since it's so easy to get. Unfortunately, microdosing Iboga doesn't wipe away withdrawal the way that a flood would but I'm also not detoxing too bad (compared to what I'm used to at least).
 
So I haven't taken a sub or any opiate/opiod since I started the microdose. I can't shake the benzos though. I go on these 4 to 5 day benders once a month. Nothing else can make me sleep. I took a break on the microdosing cause I've been taking like 4mg clonazepam every night for about 4 nights and slept like a baby for the first time in forever. I'm a little nervous about when to start microdosing again. Whenever I shake dope/opiates, benzos creep up eventually. Ayahuasca helped me with that in the past but I can't be doing that shit all the time either.
 
Still alive and kickin. Haven't touched an opiate since I started this microdosing. I can even take weeks off or a month off of the ibo and start again. On and off with smoking weed and still having a hard time resisting kpins sometimes.
Tapper this clonaz to two at night,even a mg...this stuff is powerfull.when i did my md on iboga i was on 10mg valium daily.it does not affect md regime in anyway
Did you stay on the 10mg valium the whole time you microdosed? I've been having a hard time avoiding benzos throughout this. I've turned down pretty much everything else but weed(and I take breaks from that too). I've been going on little Clonazepam binges for like 5 to 7 days every month lately. Kava doesn't seem to help me at all. I need to stop that shit. Idk.. I def appreciate all your advice and comments throughout this. Hope all is still well with you.
 
Ye.I was on this 10mg valium all the time i was md iboga.also when done floods of pure ibogaine.
 
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