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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

deficiT said:
Oh you know, intersex, asexual, the ones we can't easily wrap our heads around
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However you better because if you fail in your obligation to use the proper pronoun the mob will come down on you. Not me of course because I'm a cisgender heterosexual white male. I'm bulletproof, NOT
 
darvocet21 said:
However you better because if you fail in your obligation to use the proper pronoun the mob will come down on you. Not me of course because I'm a cisgender heterosexual white male. I'm bulletproof, NOT
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That's not how it actually works. No one's going to crucify you for using the wrong pronoun initially, unless they're an asshole or you bully them about it.
 
deficiT said:
That's not how it actually works. No one's going to crucify you for using the wrong pronoun initially, unless they're an asshole or you bully them about it.
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Agreed. There's a difference between making a legit mistake in regards to someone's gender and deliberately and ignorantly misgendering them.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Who confused you? I can almost definitely help explain, but I'm too lazy to scroll back through up to 9 pages of comments to find it lol
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Queer, non binary And all those neew "channels included in the + package " in my times it was only 4 channels LG T and B. I guess I'm too old(lies) xddd
 
nznity said:
Queer, non binary And all those neew "channels included in the + package " in my times it was only 4 channels LG T and B. I guess I'm too old(lies) xddd
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Ahhh, okay, some terms:

Non-binary - somebody who does not identify as either male OR female
Gender Fluid - somebody who feels sometimes male and sometimes female
Queer usually just means they fall under the general umbrella of not being cishet, but may not be sure what exactly
^Cishet (short for cisgender and heterosexual)
Cis (or cisgender) - anyone who identifies as the same gender/sex they were assigned at birth
Pansexual - Attracted to all sexes/genders (so like bisexual, but is more open so includes trans people, nonbinary people etc etc)
Intersex - someone born with both male and female secondary sex characteristics (basically a more modern, correct term for "hermaphrodite")
Asexual - not someone who has zero sex drive, but someone who is not sexually attracted to anybody (they may still enjoy masturbating, for example)
Aromantic - opposite of the above (sort of), people who enjoy sex but have no interesting in any romantic relationships
Furries - people who sexually enjoy dressing up as animals or other anthropomorphic beings, or others who do, particularly when engaging in sexual activities (although, I, personally, would consider that a fetish, not a sexuality)
Heteroflexible - somebody who is mostly or even totally straight, but is willing to get off with someone of the same sex when needs be (ie the straight boys who let me blow then in High School :P)
Homoflexible - Reverse of the above

There's definitely A LOT more, but I CBA to sit and think of them all lol
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Ahhh, okay, some terms:

Non-binary - somebody who does not identify as either male OR female
Gender Fluid - somebody who feels sometimes male and sometimes female
Queer usually just means they fall under the general umbrella of not being cishet, but may not be sure what exactly
^Cishet (short for cisgender and heterosexual)
Cis (or cisgender) - anyone who identifies as the same gender/sex they were assigned at birth
Pansexual - Attracted to all sexes/genders (so like bisexual, but is more open so includes trans people, nonbinary people etc etc)
Intersex - someone born with both male and female secondary sex characteristics (basically a more modern, correct term for "hermaphrodite")
Asexual - not someone who has zero sex drive, but someone who is not sexually attracted to anybody (they may still enjoy masturbating, for example)
Aromantic - opposite of the above (sort of), people who enjoy sex but have no interesting in any romantic relationships
Furries - people who sexually enjoy dressing up as animals or other anthropomorphic beings, or others who do, particularly when engaging in sexual activities (although, I, personally, would consider that a fetish, not a sexuality)
Heteroflexible - somebody who is mostly or even totally straight, but is willing to get off with someone of the same sex when needs be (ie the straight boys who let me blow then in High School :p)
Homoflexible - Reverse of the above

There's definitely A LOT more, but I CBA to sit and think of them all lol
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Hey, I needa take a screenshot of dis. So we'll explained, I finally understood but since I'm a benzo whore and my memory sucks. Ima make sure to have this ready to look at if I get confused again, thanks CE 😘
 
Yourbaker said:
Sadly I just miss everything you say when you miss the point entirely.

You have happily made your choice to be straight, many bi sexual people choose to be straight. We are not all bi sexual. If you wish to metaphorically remove society from this conversation you can argue black is white or whatever. I am here as a member of society not a monk disallowing myself gratification in search of mythical purity.

I was not born bi-sexual, I was born gay. Some people are not like you.

Homosexuality is completely in alignment with biology and life, chance of being born gay increases exponentially per child. 3rd male child is 90%.

We are so overpopulated on earth now I am surprised it isn't that high for the second male. Nature, god, whatever you believe in makes us this way.

My personal belief follows science very tightly on how gay happens. With accuracy in the 90% range it is easy to see the correlations, being gay I spent half of my life chasing answers and found everything you have written repeated many places by people who believe they have answers sadly those answers are only good for people who, like you, can choose their sexuality. The real answers took a lot more persistence to find.

You are welcome to your opinion of me and people like me, but we will probably not have much conversation about it.
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I’m not sure what you being a member of society has to do with your sexual orientation. We are all members of society and our sexuality varies. And what is this about the third child being more likely to be gay?? I’m not sure how that solves the problem of homosexuals not being able to reproduce in any organic fashion. Again not saying there’s anything wrong with that I’m just saying there is truth to all sides. Not just the side that’s being oppressed and the universe will not value one side over the other.

And just to be clear I never said I have choice in my sexuality. I am not bisexual. I was making the point that on a certain level we all have more control over things than we think. There is a lot of behaviors and reactions in society that we feel we don’t have control over but in reality we are just too disempowered to make the choice and are not aware of our ability to have free will and we convince ourselves that this is who we are and that we can’t change. And so that therefore becomes an identity that the ego attaches itself too and at that point it can become a deterministic hindrance on your universal purpose. But that’s only in the case that you are living an inauthentic life. If you live authentically you can actually raise the vibration of the universe by being gay and you can be in alignment with evolution. But still that leaves the problem of not being able to organically reproduce your own offspring and so there subtle consequences that one might not be aware of if they do not think spiritual and metaphysically. Any way that a child is conceived is gonna have an effect on its consciousness. So if you are not able to organically reproduce and you have to go to scientists and doctors to artificially induce conception then the child will be a reflection of that process in one way or another. And if you don’t feel the need to have children because we are overpopulated your dna still ends with you and therefore are still not completely in alignment with the natural progression of biological evolution. We are biologically driven to reproduce and to deny that aspect of yourself can have consequences in future generations.
 
ovenbakedskittles said:
I’m not sure what you being a member of society has to do with your sexual orientation. We are all members of society and our sexuality varies. And what is this about the third child being more likely to be gay?? I’m not sure how that solves the problem of homosexuals not being able to reproduce in any organic fashion. Again not saying there’s anything wrong with that I’m just saying there is truth to all sides. Not just the side that’s being oppressed and the universe will not value one side over the other.

And just to be clear I never said I have choice in my sexuality. I am not bisexual. I was making the point that on a certain level we all have more control over things than we think. There is a lot of behaviors and reactions in society that we feel we don’t have control over but in reality we are just too disempowered to make the choice and are not aware of our ability to have free will and we convince ourselves that this is who we are and that we can’t change. And so that therefore becomes an identity that the ego attaches itself too and at that point it can become a deterministic hindrance on your universal purpose. But that’s only in the case that you are living an inauthentic life. If you live authentically you can actually raise the vibration of the universe by being gay and you can be in alignment with evolution. But still that leaves the problem of not being able to organically reproduce your own offspring and so there subtle consequences that one might not be aware of if they do not think spiritual and metaphysically. Any way that a child is conceived is gonna have an effect on its consciousness. So if you are not able to organically reproduce and you have to go to scientists and doctors to artificially induce conception then the child will be a reflection of that process in one way or another. And if you don’t feel the need to have children because we are overpopulated your dna still ends with you and therefore are still not completely in alignment with the natural progression of biological evolution. We are biologically driven to reproduce and to deny that aspect of yourself can have consequences in future generations.
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Jayden Smith is Will Smith first son and he can't be more queer tbh. I don't subscribe to your 3rd child having 90% chance of being gay theory. Tbh each newer generation is queer-errrrr than the last one. I see a lot of lesbians in my town these days, more than ever. Idk how they're doing it but the media and their brainwashing capabilities are unbelievable. I'm not saying it's bad but it amuses me. Almost 20% of zoomers are LGTB+.
 
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DeathIndustrial88 said:
^^^^^ This also.

Can't tell you how many married/"straight" men I've met over the years. The amount was shocking to say the least.

I don't even know how statistically anyone can even come up with numbers when it comes to gays, since so many of them lead double lives and some hide it their entire lives.
There's probably more homosexuality/bisexuality in the world than people care to admit.
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Well easy, in order to do this you need about 10,000 people, tell every single one that this will be 100% anonymous and that they can sue you for shitloads of money if it's not, and then ask the questions.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Intersex is a sex, not a sexuality, but excellent point! How would one determine is an intersex person were gay or straight?
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People born with both types of genitals are extremely rare. Of course it should be the individual who decides who they like who they love and who they want to sleep with and how ever which way they see themselves.

Knowing how I didn't have a clue until well into my twenties arguably much later some might say present day isn't it awfully strange how parents are being cut out of the equation and it's become very political to say that there are two biological sexes.

Given the peer pressure among young and adolescent boys & girls, starting permanent life-altering hormones and surgeries is being granted in many states before driver's licenses are. It's very complicated and I have no clue what the answer... I only know which side wants to shut down discussion/debate and label even the most Ardent feminist as Terfs for cancellation which really means character assassination & totally demolishing someone's livelihood if they disagree.
 
darvocet21 said:
People born with both types of genitals are extremely rare. Of course it should be the individual who decides who they like who they love and who they want to sleep with and how ever which way they see themselves.

Knowing how I didn't have a clue until well into my twenties arguably much later some might say present day isn't it awfully strange how parents are being cut out of the equation and it's become very political to say that there are two biological sexes.

Given the peer pressure among young and adolescent boys & girls, starting permanent life-altering hormones and surgeries is being granted in many states before driver's licenses are. It's very complicated and I have no clue what the answer... I only know which side wants to shut down discussion/debate and label even the most Ardent feminist as Terfs for cancellation which really means character assassination & totally demolishing someone's livelihood if they disagree.
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1 in 1000 is not "extremely rare". And that's a LOW-end number as many people don't know and some never know.

Oh Christ, not that COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT about trans kids and hormones. First, you have to be 18 years old to have any gender-confirmation/reassignment surgeries You also have to have been living full-time AS that gender for a minimum of 12 months and also take several psychological tests and have your regular doctor and two psych doctors sign off on it.
There are NO "permanent, life-altering hormones for kids" either. The only thing available to under-16s are hormone BLOCKERS but they can be given when they display signs of beginning puberty. This simply prevents them from going through the puberty of their birth sex (which can be extremely traumatic, and the sex-change process is much easier, simpler and more successful BEFORE the person goes through that puberty) until they are deemed old enough to make the decision for themselves - usually at 16 - at which point they can began HRT to go through the desired puberty, or, if (it's rare, but DOES happen) they have decided otherwise, all that they need to do is stop taking the hormone blockers, at which point they will immediately go through the puberty their body would have anyway, just a little later. That's it. Nothing permanent, no damage, no harm.
The average ages for someone to know they are transgender is 3-5 years old. That is NOT peer pressure (obviously) and the kid rarely even knows what the word "transgender" means, they will typically just insist "I'm not a girl! I am a boy" (or vice versa). And CONSISTENTLY, throughout their lives, too.

I'm confused by your second statement: "isn't it awfully strange how parents are being cut out of the equation and it's become very political to say there are two biological sexes?" - Do you mean it's considered incorrect? If so, that's because biologically it IS incorrect [I assume you do mean SEX and not GENDER, right?]. At the most basic level, there are three biological sexes (male, female and intersex) but even that is a huge oversimplification. Again, staying with JUST biological sex and not gender, the most common sex chromosome types are:
XX (which we typically refer to as "female")
XY (which we typically refer to as "male)
XYY (at 1 in 500)
XXX (at 1 in 850)
XXY (at 1 in 2,500)
XXYY (at 1 in 17,000)
XXXY (at 1 in 50,000)

And there are actually many more, those are just the COMMON ones.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
1 in 1000 is not "extremely rare". And that's a LOW-end number as many people don't know and some never know.

Oh Christ, not that COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT about trans kids and hormones. First, you have to be 18 years old to have any gender-confirmation/reassignment surgeries You also have to have been living full-time AS that gender for a minimum of 12 months and also take several psychological tests and have your regular doctor and two psych doctors sign off on it.
There are NO "permanent, life-altering hormones for kids" either. The only thing available to under-16s are hormone BLOCKERS but they can be given when they display signs of beginning puberty. This simply prevents them from going through the puberty of their birth sex (which can be extremely traumatic, and the sex-change process is much easier, simpler and more successful BEFORE the person goes through that puberty) until they are deemed old enough to make the decision for themselves - usually at 16 - at which point they can began HRT to go through the desired puberty, or, if (it's rare, but DOES happen) they have decided otherwise, all that they need to do is stop taking the hormone blockers, at which point they will immediately go through the puberty their body would have anyway, just a little later. That's it. Nothing permanent, no damage, no harm.
The average ages for someone to know they are transgender is 3-5 years old. That is NOT peer pressure (obviously) and the kid rarely even knows what the word "transgender" means, they will typically just insist "I'm not a girl! I am a boy" (or vice versa). And CONSISTENTLY, throughout their lives, too.

I'm confused by your second statement: "isn't it awfully strange how parents are being cut out of the equation and it's become very political to say there are two biological sexes?" - Do you mean it's considered incorrect? If so, that's because biologically it IS incorrect [I assume you do mean SEX and not GENDER, right?]. At the most basic level, there are three biological sexes (male, female and intersex) but even that is a huge oversimplification. Again, staying with JUST biological sex and not gender, the most common sex chromosome types are:
XX (which we typically refer to as "female")
XY (which we typically refer to as "male)
XYY (at 1 in 500)
XXX (at 1 in 850)
XXY (at 1 in 2,500)
XXYY (at 1 in 17,000)
XXXY (at 1 in 50,000)

And there are actually many more, those are just the COMMON ones.
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I have no reason to doubt your facts and figures all I'm saying is that whatever the occurrence is it's a lot smaller than the explosion of gender dysphoria disorder
 
darvocet21 said:
I have no reason to doubt your facts and figures all I'm saying is that whatever the occurrence is it's a lot smaller than the explosion of gender dysphoria disorder
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There IS no explosion. But in the past people COULDN'T come out as trans because almost off of society would reject them and they'd often be hate crimed to death, so they either ended up killing themselves or lived miserable lives hiding who they really were and trying their best to force themselves to live a life. It's like how some Middle Eastern countries insist there are no gay Muslims. Of course there are, just as many as everywhere else but they can't TELL anyone because being gay carries the death penalty there.
 
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