Positive The Tapering Supportive/Social Thread

[Squeaky]

So this may be crap, but every time I try, I'm getting closer to that goal of doing what my doctor approves of. Taking my meds as advised and not sourcing my own "better" ones.

As long as you’re moving forward more than you’re moving backwards, you will eventually get to your destination. Our society teaches us that the shortest (and smartest) distance between two points is a straight line, and that you’re broken if you can’t stay strong and follow that line.

It’s all bullshit however. Any trip worth taking is full of potholes. I say let’s make sure we have a spare tire, a gas can, and water for the radiator. If you don’t plan for problems then you’ll get stranded in the desert.

And remember that the Earth is round. Even if you start off going the totally opposite direction..... as long as you don’t quit, you will eventually get to the place you wanted to be.

(I know. Too many travel analogies. But they fit too well to pass them up!)

 

[Squeaky]

And remember that the Earth is round.

I finally figured out how you all have been quoting little pieces of messages.

(I know. Too many travel analogies. But they fit too well to pass them up!)

That’s soooo much easier than what I was doing before (I was quoting the entire message and deleting the parts I didn’t want)

And remember that the Earth is round

This trick is about 100x more betterer.

 

[hylite]

I will most likely get a headache trying to figure out how, but at least I know it can be done. ♡

100x better . . . . once I can figure it out but at least it can be done. Very nice ! ☺

 

[sedgewick1]

Day six and I feel like the remains of the pods are leaving my system from the top down, like a glass starting to empty, my head has cleared significantly which is weird feeling because on pods my head is clearer than ever, but this is a natural clear I guess it's better.

How long have you used the pods? IME pod WDs are nasty and protracted. I checked myself into the hospital after about a week of bad wds. They weren't getting better at all.

 

[papercuts]

Gabapentin is much more of a scrambled brains situation. Kratom is closer to a mild opiate withdrawal: little bit of psychological wds, little bit of physical wds.

Unless you have a need and a strong support system at home, I definitely recommend taclking one at a time. If the psychological wd’s from Gabapentin hit you extra hard AND the Kratom wd’s cause you insomnia, you might commit suicide by day 3. Don’t try it unless you’re OK with and prepared to jump off the wagon. I only say this because I have withdrawn from both separately and it’s not fun. I can’t imagine a ‘worst case scenario’ if you throw everything away and go cold turkey.

Committing suicide is definitely not part of the plan, I actually have a nice life if I can get back into it, but I take the warning seriously because it can happen and these meds have some serious shit side effects if not used "as advised". Anyone here is obviously not great at that.

 

[papercuts]

How long have you used the pods? IME pod WDs are nasty and protracted. I checked myself into the hospital after about a week of bad wds. They weren't getting better at all.

Been a couple of years now, every day for about a year, but I've been having breaks aka my attempts at quitting.

Edit; Maybe a little longer, Nov 2020 was when I thought getting bupe would solve the problem, was still not admitting a problem then, even as I tried to solve it, lol, I still don't really believe it, yes I always took drugs, got stoned before I ever got drunk, but I was far too smart to get hooked. That was other people did that sort of thing.

 

[sedgewick1]

Every day for a year I'd think you'd be in dangerous territory. I was every day for 2 years. Maybe the bupe is helping you out. It was a life saver for me. 15 years on bupe up until recently.

 

[papercuts]

Every day for a year I'd think you'd be in dangerous territory. I was every day for 2 years. Maybe the bupe is helping you out. It was a life saver for me. 15 years on bupe up until recently.

The bupe is definitely helping. I tried quitting a couple of months ago without bupe, it's on this thread, it was hell and I absolutely couldn't do it. It's a tiny amount of bupe, but it makes all the difference.
I don't understand it about bupe. In May last year I quit with bupe and it was really physical and awful until I got a bigger dose of bupe, then I was great and resumed pods because everything was ok. Stupid I know, but if I think I have control then the first thing I do is to lose control, lol.

 

[Squeaky]

Problem with all opiates is that it takes months to start feeling normal-ish.

 

[Nas47]

I may be delusional (in fact all those fleeting shadows at the edge of my vision, the rain or washing machine sounding like I left music on somewhere, that's already delusional I guess).
So this may be crap, but every time I try, I'm getting closer to that goal of doing what my doctor approves of. Taking my meds as advised and not sourcing my own "better" ones.

Fuck my ear hurts so bad without opies other than my patch which is only about half a mg of bupe a day. If I say it's not working they gonna switch me to fentanyl, don't think that would help my overall situation. I got April now to aim for, the trip got postponed. Didn't have to be but when it was suggested to me I jumped at the postponement, I need more time to do this, I'm slowly getting there in my own stop-start way.
I want to spend time with people, I think I miss people. I been avoiding spending more than a few moments with anyone other than my husband because they would know there's something not right, but actually that's more weed than opiates and I've not tackled that one yet.
Maybe just let the weed run out and not replenish?
Then I don't need to think about it.
I just thought about it and I don't like the idea at all.
I'll stick to tackling pods first.

Day six and I feel like the remains of the pods are leaving my system from the top down, like a glass starting to empty, my head has cleared significantly which is weird feeling because on pods my head is clearer than ever, but this is a natural clear I guess it's better.
My body is feeling bad still, but things are starting to balance better. I'll start reducing the comfort meds, slowly, very slowly or I'll relapse if experience is anything to go by.
And I retrieved two small sacks of pods, 5kg total, from where they been already before the summer brought fresh ones.
Not great timing, but they needed moved before they got damp.
How long do pods last? These must be 2020 harvest at best, but I dipped into them at christmas and they are still good.

The pods are still good Happy for you.Six days passed-can say more bad withdrawl symptoms are gone.Your bupre patches are weak-those that changed every week.I am on 3 days interval and dayly got above 2mgs.To quitt smokin weed for a while is good idea,then when gonna decide to smoke again you would feel it much more nice.If you have a big pod habbit(tolerance is bitch) 1mg of bupe is insufficient.Try to stick 2 patches after you talk with your doctor.Fent patch is much more stronger.No need to replace pod with that.Wish you new fucking year2022 brings you more luck,stable health and just try to dont bother too much and relax.peace.hugs

 

[papercuts]

The pods are still good Happy for you.Six days passed-can say more bad withdrawl symptoms are gone.Your bupre patches are weak-those that changed every week.I am on 3 days interval and dayly got above 2mgs.To quitt smokin weed for a while is good idea,then when gonna decide to smoke again you would feel it much more nice.If you have a big pod habbit(tolerance is bitch) 1mg of bupe is insufficient.Try to stick 2 patches after you talk with your doctor.Fent patch is much more stronger.No need to replace pod with that.Wish you new fucking year2022 brings you more luck,stable health and just try to dont bother too much and relax.peace.hugs

Thank you Nas47 pods are every med rolled into one for me, so gentle until you turn to leave.
Your advice is great and has helped me to stop worrying so much, I won't die of pods, worst case is I keep using them, stop and repeat. Second worst is I use them all the time. Third worst is I don't use them at all.
Last winter I didn't worry, I just drank my tea and had no problems, the problem is stopping, lol, haven't managed more than a few weeks of stopping in nearly a year of trying to try harder to stop
How are you getting on @Nas47 ?

 

[papercuts]

Every day for a year I'd think you'd be in dangerous territory. I was every day for 2 years. Maybe the bupe is helping you out. It was a life saver for me. 15 years on bupe up until recently.

How are you doing without subs now? You said you had to do without just before Christmas and hoped to stay off it without withdrawals? This is interesting, bupe is a strange one to understand.

 

[Nas47]

Thank you Nas47 pods are every med rolled into one for me, so gentle until you turn to leave.
Your advice is great and has helped me to stop worrying so much, I won't die of pods, worst case is I keep using them, stop and repeat. Second worst is I use them all the time. Third worst is I don't use them at all.
Last winter I didn't worry, I just drank my tea and had no problems, the problem is stopping, lol, haven't managed more than a few weeks of stopping in nearly a year of trying to try harder to stop
How are you getting on @Nas47 ?

Pods are my passion from long time ago.But i have acess only in the summer,when they flowering.And quality is so unstable...but even the weak are ok.just drop more.I am so so thank you sis.on bupr.from two months.In the first month was even better,cause tolerance upgrades even slow.and valium like additive.and often weed.start to md shrooms,cacti and feel olright.Start to quitt my zoloft after six months therapy.I hope i can do this.....but the problem with opioids remains...for now.In general more good than bad-thats how i feel.Stressed and worried like all others.Peace

 

[sedgewick1]

How are you doing without subs now? You said you had to do without just before Christmas and hoped to stay off it without withdrawals? This is interesting, bupe is a strange one to understand.

NowI take an 8mg Sub strip about every 4 days to catch a mild buzz. Prior to that I was taking 2mg/day for about 15 years, About 4 weeks ago I was in jail for a few days w/o subs. Didn't have any WDs so I thought I'd see how ;omg I could go w/o them. Around 10 days after that and I figured I was pretty much in the clear, Big surprise!

In 2015 I went to an inpatient detox for another drug and I thought I'd try getting off subs too. Around 3 days w/o any and I found the WDs kick iin around day 3. It got so bad I l checked out early since they wouldn't start my subs again. I have no idea what changed between 2015 and now. The only thing I can think of is I've been on them so long that I've built up a kind of permanent resistance to them.

 

[papercuts]

NowI take an 8mg Sub strip about every 4 days to catch a mild buzz. Prior to that I was taking 2mg/day for about 15 years, About 4 weeks ago I was in jail for a few days w/o subs. Didn't have any WDs so I thought I'd see how ;omg I could go w/o them. Around 10 days after that and I figured I was pretty much in the clear, Big surprise!

In 2015 I went to an inpatient detox for another drug and I thought I'd try getting off subs too. Around 3 days w/o any and I found the WDs kick iin around day 3. It got so bad I l checked out early since they wouldn't start my subs again. I have no idea what changed between 2015 and now. The only thing I can think of is I've been on them so long that I've built up a kind of permanent resistance to them.

Are you taking anything now that you weren't then? Or vice versa?
I've come off it painlessly before and I've failed to get past day 4 before, in that order, so if you go back on it you could be as hooked as ever. I thought it was a breeze to stop, then suddenly it wasn't any more, in a timeline that made no sense. I'd love to know what was different. Well done to be getting any kind of buzz after 15 years. I can if I really try, but it rarely seems worth the bother with bupe.

 

[papercuts]

Pods are my passion from long time ago.But i have acess only in the summer,when they flowering.And quality is so unstable...but even the weak are ok.just drop more.I am so so thank you sis.on bupr.from two months.In the first month was even better,cause tolerance upgrades even slow.and valium like additive.and often weed.start to md shrooms,cacti and feel olright.Start to quitt my zoloft after six months therapy.I hope i can do this.....but the problem with opioids remains...for now.In general more good than bad-thats how i feel.Stressed and worried like all others.Peace

More good than bad, that must be good, is the therapy finished too or do you get that for longer?

 

[Nas47]

More good than bad, that must be good, is the therapy finished too or do you get that for longer?

Therapy finished.Probably with some sucess.Depressions are less and shorter.Cannot say that is some superpill,but work at some people

 

[Squeaky]

Anybody had this one yet?

I’m pretty sensitive to bad food, particularly cheap/fake dairy products. They have always given me bad gas (painful bloating and cramps).
Last night I ate some breadsticks soaked in some sort of genuine imitation butter flavored product. Tasted great, but I knew enough to only eat one. 3 hours later I was awoken to horrible cramps and nausea.

The end result, after 30 minutes of my body trying to work the gas through the CORRECT direction, I puked. Really hard too. Nothing but bile and acid. The fart couldn’t get past my constipation and decided to exit through the entrance. I threw up for a few minutes, burped sewage, and I was fine after that.

I have been horribly backed up for a few years now, non-stop. This was the first time I have ever experienced this. Pretty painful and really gross.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Anybody had this one yet?

I’m pretty sensitive to bad food, particularly cheap/fake dairy products. They have always given me bad gas (painful bloating and cramps).
Last night I ate some breadsticks soaked in some sort of genuine imitation butter flavored product. Tasted great, but I knew enough to only eat one. 3 hours later I was awoken to horrible cramps and nausea.

The end result, after 30 minutes of my body trying to work the gas through the CORRECT direction, I puked. Really hard too. Nothing but bile and acid. The fart couldn’t get past my constipation and decided to exit through the entrance. I threw up for a few minutes, burped sewage, and I was fine after that.

I have been horribly backed up for a few years now, non-stop. This was the first time I have ever experienced this. Pretty painful and really gross.

Well Squeaky I gotta tell you that sounds bloody awful. Burping sewage had to suck. And No, I can't say I have ever felt like that. Fuck that buttered breadstick, huh?

Glad you're fine now.

 

[papercuts]

Therapy finished.Probably with some sucess.Depressions are less and shorter.Cannot say that is some superpill,but work at some people

I gave up giving up antidepressants when I got a new doctor with the attitude, "If it works, why stop taking it?". My old doctor used to take me off prozac as soon as I wasn't depressed any more and it would come back just as quick. They don't work for everyone like that, but for me, no side effects and I'm relaxed on them.

I still want pods, but not as bad as I did on other days recently, time is moving quicker again, that makes it easier to get through a day.
So this time with kratom and black cohosh as well as gabapentin, weed, baclofen, nefopam and the occasional temazepam for sleep, I feel I'm getting there. Day ten today and I'm trying to guard against the feeling that's it, all is reset and I'd be ok with just a little today. That is my biggest downfall.
I'm cutting down on both gabapentin and kratom naturally because I keep forgetting about them now, oh the joy of forgetting about a med, lol.

Edit, forgot bupe in my list there, kinda important that one.