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That sucks...... hopefully you can wait until the “winter surge” of Omicron passes. Medical staff have been in short supply worldwide lately and the next two months are going to be worse.
I'll probably be ok, things go wrong inside me a lot, but I've not died yet, lol.
Since last January they have been postponing red flag cancer surgeries whenever covid surges, those are the people I really feel for.
They had a surgeon on tv saying they have the theatres and can operate, but there will be no nurses to care for them afterwards so they have to cancel even urgent surgeries.
 
I'll probably be ok, things go wrong inside me a lot, but I've not died yet, lol.
Since last January they have been postponing red flag cancer surgeries whenever covid surges, those are the people I really feel for.
They had a surgeon on tv saying they have the theatres and can operate, but there will be no nurses to care for them afterwards so they have to cancel even urgent surgeries.
It’s a combination of medical staff getting sick, dying, or just quitting because they don’t want to die. The effects of covid are spreading out further and further every month. I got really sick a couple of weeks ago. I probably should have gone to the hospital but I chose to tough it out at home because I didn’t want to go be with all of the sick people at the hospital.

The irony there is that I could have died because I didn’t want to get sick and die.
 
It’s a combination of medical staff getting sick, dying, or just quitting because they don’t want to die. The effects of covid are spreading out further and further every month. I got really sick a couple of weeks ago. I probably should have gone to the hospital but I chose to tough it out at home because I didn’t want to go be with all of the sick people at the hospital.

The irony there is that I could have died because I didn’t want to get sick and die.
Glad you didn't die!
I avoid going to a hospital in general, I've sat on the floor of the overcrowded emergency department with my kids for hours on end while the cold wind blasts through the automatically opening doors every minute or two, blowing in more dirt from the main road outside. You can't leave or you'll miss being called, so if you didn't grab some food for the wait, you have kids wanting the only food there, the chocolate vending machine, but as the adult you know you won't get your car out of the carpark unless you keep your coins for the ticket machine. I never thought it the best place to be if I'm not well, especially if I know I'll go into withdrawal if I'm there too long...
 
especially if I know I'll go into withdrawal if I'm there too long...
One of the bigger reasons I’m hoping to get away from all of the opiates. I haven’t gone ANYWHERE since the pandemic started. It has made it easier to be an addict. Pills when I’m happy. Pills when I’m sad. And television in bed when I run out. Last minute travel plans sound like an impossibility when I’m running out of pills.

I actually had a nightmare a few weeks ago. Someone in my family was really sick and we had to get a plane ticket at the last minute. Just trying to pack my luggage and get through security at the airport was impossible (pills, Kratom, etc). And then I’m a thousand miles from home and run out (or worse, my stuff gets confiscated or lost at the airport). Withdrawals at 5,000 ft and no way to cover it up. Being in a strange hotel and NOT sleeping at all for several days. Dealing with people I haven’t seen in years while my insides are exploding, and trying to act normal. Too scared to sneak weed onto the flight and going somewhere it’s still illegal.

Everything just points out how bad my situation is and how much I need to change. I’m guessing that the end of that nightmare would be me jumping off a bridge.
 
One of the bigger reasons I’m hoping to get away from all of the opiates. I haven’t gone ANYWHERE since the pandemic started. It has made it easier to be an addict. Pills when I’m happy. Pills when I’m sad. And television in bed when I run out. Last minute travel plans sound like an impossibility when I’m running out of pills.

I actually had a nightmare a few weeks ago. Someone in my family was really sick and we had to get a plane ticket at the last minute. Just trying to pack my luggage and get through security at the airport was impossible (pills, Kratom, etc). And then I’m a thousand miles from home and run out (or worse, my stuff gets confiscated or lost at the airport). Withdrawals at 5,000 ft and no way to cover it up. Being in a strange hotel and NOT sleeping at all for several days. Dealing with people I haven’t seen in years while my insides are exploding, and trying to act normal. Too scared to sneak weed onto the flight and going somewhere it’s still illegal.

Everything just points out how bad my situation is and how much I need to change. I’m guessing that the end of that nightmare would be me jumping off a bridge.
Its a chainball.Addiction..especially to illegal stuff.Have a nice holyday..somehow
 
One of the bigger reasons I’m hoping to get away from all of the opiates. I haven’t gone ANYWHERE since the pandemic started. It has made it easier to be an addict. Pills when I’m happy. Pills when I’m sad. And television in bed when I run out. Last minute travel plans sound like an impossibility when I’m running out of pills.

I actually had a nightmare a few weeks ago. Someone in my family was really sick and we had to get a plane ticket at the last minute. Just trying to pack my luggage and get through security at the airport was impossible (pills, Kratom, etc). And then I’m a thousand miles from home and run out (or worse, my stuff gets confiscated or lost at the airport). Withdrawals at 5,000 ft and no way to cover it up. Being in a strange hotel and NOT sleeping at all for several days. Dealing with people I haven’t seen in years while my insides are exploding, and trying to act normal. Too scared to sneak weed onto the flight and going somewhere it’s still illegal.

Everything just points out how bad my situation is and how much I need to change. I’m guessing that the end of that nightmare would be me jumping off a bridge.
The day that I was afraid my Dr. was going to get in an accident on his way to work and call in absent on my refill day I knew I had a problem. I mean I knew I had a problem before that day but I wasn't concerned about it enough to worry that my Dr. was going to have a mishap and not be in the office. It hit me like a ton of bricks that I needed that shit for my life to go on. I couldn't function or even think for myself without a pill or two or three. I didn't like it at all one bit for kicking me to the curb when I failed a UA for benzos ( not prescribed ). But it was a blessing in disguise as I was a slave to that orange bottle of white tablets and I had lost my soul and who I was as a human being. Completely demoralizing to say the least.

Not judging whatsoever as i was just like you. Ate em' up as soon as I got them and when they were gone I counted the days to my next refill. I even always tried to get them early. Every damn time. I thought the pills were who I was and without them I was just an empty shell walking around on this earth with no purpose whatsoever. But when i had my pills I worked, cooked, cleaned and did all the stuff I was supposed to do. When they were gone and I couldn't get anymore I disengaged completely. I have never felt so empty as when I was without my drug.

Thank God I finally snapped out of that mindset. I miss it sometimes. I miss that warm fuzzy blanket. But it was killing me slowly and draining my soul and I wasn't going to let that happen. Life may not be roses but it is so much better than when I was addicted. I have my soul back. And my peace of mind. Never stop trying Squeaky. It may not happen today or next week or next month but don't give up who you are to an orange bottle with white pills in it. :In love:
 
The day that I was afraid my Dr. was going to get in an accident on his way to work and call in absent on my refill day I knew I had a problem. I mean I knew I had a problem before that day but I wasn't concerned about it enough to worry that my Dr. was going to have a mishap and not be in the office. It hit me like a ton of bricks that I needed that shit for my life to go on. I couldn't function or even think for myself without a pill or two or three. I didn't like it at all one bit for kicking me to the curb when I failed a UA for benzos ( not prescribed ). But it was a blessing in disguise as I was a slave to that orange bottle of white tablets and I had lost my soul and who I was as a human being. Completely demoralizing to say the least.

Not judging whatsoever as i was just like you. Ate em' up as soon as I got them and when they were gone I counted the days to my next refill. I even always tried to get them early. Every damn time. I thought the pills were who I was and without them I was just an empty shell walking around on this earth with no purpose whatsoever. But when i had my pills I worked, cooked, cleaned and did all the stuff I was supposed to do. When they were gone and I couldn't get anymore I disengaged completely. I have never felt so empty as when I was without my drug.

Thank God I finally snapped out of that mindset. I miss it sometimes. I miss that warm fuzzy blanket. But it was killing me slowly and draining my soul and I wasn't going to let that happen. Life may not be roses but it is so much better than when I was addicted. I have my soul back. And my peace of mind. Never stop trying Squeaky. It may not happen today or next week or next month but don't give up who you are to an orange bottle with white pills in it. :In love:
Thank you for the kind words. It’s so much better to get advice from a person who has experienced the problems I’m having. I just can’t get on board with following directions from anyone who hasn’t lived it themselves. It’s a big reason you’re suck a great moderator ;)

I hope you’re enjoying the holidays! Just a few more days until 2022.
 
Thank you for the kind words. It’s so much better to get advice from a person who has experienced the problems I’m having. I just can’t get on board with following directions from anyone who hasn’t lived it themselves. It’s a big reason you’re suck a great moderator ;)

I hope you’re enjoying the holidays! Just a few more days until 2022.
I am enjoying them and hope you are too. And thanks for the lovely compliment Squeaky.
 
Today is my favorite day of the year......it’s the day AFTER Christmas. All of the stress, traffic, crowds, etc. It all makes me want to go home and get high. A lot of people see New Years Day as a new beginning, but for me it’s December 26th. It means I have a whole year before I have to deal with it again.
(I’m not getting high.... )
 
Today is my favorite day of the year......it’s the day AFTER Christmas. All of the stress, traffic, crowds, etc. It all makes me want to go home and get high. A lot of people see New Years Day as a new beginning, but for me it’s December 26th. It means I have a whole year before I have to deal with it again.
(I’m not getting high.... )
Oh yes, I always look forward to after the holiday, although this has been a good one. We cancelled our trip away, after all my attempts to be ready for it, I'm no further on at all addiction wise.
Today I've no stress and I've no cravings for anything, so I ought to be able to slow things down now. That's the trouble, I feel normal, it's a very good version of normal too, but that is because I'd a new coffee percolator and lots and lots of pods. It is very slowly removed from the body so I'm still good from what I had yesterday. It's when I don't feel well that it becomes a problem.
So back to the old conundrum, do I give up pods or do I give up buprenorphine? Which to taper first?
 
Oh yes, I always look forward to after the holiday, although this has been a good one. We cancelled our trip away, after all my attempts to be ready for it, I'm no further on at all addiction wise.
Today I've no stress and I've no cravings for anything, so I ought to be able to slow things down now. That's the trouble, I feel normal, it's a very good version of normal too, but that is because I'd a new coffee percolator and lots and lots of pods. It is very slowly removed from the body so I'm still good from what I had yesterday. It's when I don't feel well that it becomes a problem.
So back to the old conundrum, do I give up pods or do I give up buprenorphine? Which to taper first?
Better i think is to be on one of them.No reason to be hooked on two opies.Availability,price and most important-on which of this two you would felt more comfortable and be possible on stable,quite low dose.Be safe
 
Oh yes, I always look forward to after the holiday, although this has been a good one. We cancelled our trip away, after all my attempts to be ready for it, I'm no further on at all addiction wise.
Today I've no stress and I've no cravings for anything, so I ought to be able to slow things down now. That's the trouble, I feel normal, it's a very good version of normal too, but that is because I'd a new coffee percolator and lots and lots of pods. It is very slowly removed from the body so I'm still good from what I had yesterday. It's when I don't feel well that it becomes a problem.
So back to the old conundrum, do I give up pods or do I give up buprenorphine? Which to taper first?
My opinion would be to give up the least natural of your addictions. It’s sort of like being borderline diabetic and choosing to give up either the Pepsi or the Orange. Manmade chemicals (in my mind) are the most damaging, so give up the bupe.
 
My opinion would be to give up the least natural of your addictions. It’s sort of like being borderline diabetic and choosing to give up either the Pepsi or the Orange. Manmade chemicals (in my mind) are the most damaging, so give up the bupe.
You have a strong point about the man made chemicals and I agree with the soda comment too. Wouldn't it be better to give up the one we do compulsively and recklessly and stay on the one that is supposed to stabilize us. I mean I realize the high is gone ( with subs ) but isn't that the point? We can get relief with our comfort meds ( if we have them like weed, kratom,lyrica etc) ) from our cravings and compulsions and with the added suboxone relief .....shouldn't op work on getting the opium/pod/seed/ addiction under control?

I mean isn't that why people go on subs. Because they realize they have a problem and want to address it. I get why it fails because we miss our highs but with committed sub therapy and some comfort meds on the side as needed I think op would be happier. At least that's what I'm getting from their posts.

Either way I wish all the dark side peeps and the posters in this thread many good fortunes for the new year and just remember you are stronger than you think you are.
 
My opinion would be to give up the least natural of your addictions. It’s sort of like being borderline diabetic and choosing to give up either the Pepsi or the Orange. Manmade chemicals (in my mind) are the most damaging, so give up the bupe.
The holidays were a blast, now I'm sobering up again and I'll do one at a time.
I agree that Bupe is worse in a way, it's affinity with the human body seems flawless, still I can stay on a steady dose of bupe and it's ok without pods so far (sort of two days). I wouldn't want to increase the bupe, too much hassle.
BUT if I took away the bupe my pod habit would increase very quickly to make up the difference. So I'll hang onto the bupe for now.
Giving up pods means I reach for the comfort meds our newly renamed nurse mentioned, so the opies are reduced and stable even if the comfort meds increase. Both pods and bupe are cheaper for me than kratom so I doubt I'll get hooked on that, the other two are better anyway.

Then when I'm over the pods, I'll reduce my bupe and possibly use pods at that time to get over the last bit of bupe painlessly. Then I'll be on something natural, but who's to say it's fit for human consumption? Could be sprayed with anything, only the seeds are intended for consumption.

Then I'll be a good little addict and only use at weekends :rofl:

Even I don't believe that, but that is my goal.

I think It'll be ok this time around, lol, famous last words.
 
The pods are NASTY to withdraw from -- not only do they contain morphine and codeine but a lot of other alkaloids as well.. I did them every day for about 2 years then tried to CT off them. WDs were horrible and its widely reported they last a long time. I gave up after a week and went to hospital. That's when I started on Suboxone and I've been on it for 15 years with no other ill effect than constipation, I was in jail recently for a few days and they didn't give me any Suboxone. No WDs. When I got out, I decided to see how long I could go without. 9 days and still no WDs. So, I'm basically in the clear. Now I take an 8mg strip every now and then to catch a bit of a buzz, but that's about it. So I would definitely choose the bupre any day of the week over pods.
 
I'm taking black cohosh for the sweats too, not working right now but at least I'm not constipated any more. That was a lot of food I ate in the last week without a single poop 😳
I gotta say I'm getting better at this, I've learnt to flush a few times before I'm finished instead of waiting until I've blocked the sodding toilet 😂
I'm still really happy though so it hasn't really started yet.
 
Yeah my current average is probably 1 poop every 2 weeks. The flushing method doesn't work for me. The 1st out the shoot is almost always the biggest, most cloggy one. In the house, I'm pretty much resigned to carrying in the plunger, Sometimes even that's not good enough and I have to use the snake.
 
The pods are NASTY to withdraw from -- not only do they contain morphine and codeine but a lot of other alkaloids as well.. I did them every day for about 2 years then tried to CT off them. WDs were horrible and its widely reported they last a long time. I gave up after a week and went to hospital. That's when I started on Suboxone and I've been on it for 15 years with no other ill effect than constipation, I was in jail recently for a few days and they didn't give me any Suboxone. No WDs. When I got out, I decided to see how long I could go without. 9 days and still no WDs. So, I'm basically in the clear. Now I take an 8mg strip every now and then to catch a bit of a buzz, but that's about it. So I would definitely choose the bupre any day of the week over pods.
I've heard of that before. People on subs for years then walking away with no wds. Makes me wonder if the body gets immune to the effects of subs after that long and it stopped working at some point, but if you can still catch a buzz with it then it hasn't stopped working. I dunno, it just sounds too good to be true that you can walk away with no pain after 15 years on bupe, I definitely want it to be something I can copy, lol.
Damn, nausea is creeping in now.
 
Day four without pods is going well, such a difference to have bupe, even a low dose. Last time day four I was so ill I thought I'd never touch anything ever again, unable to function in any way other than to huddle in a duvet feeling shite, sweating buckets and bursting into tears if noone was about to bring me a glass of water.
This time I'm fine. I'm off work too, that helps. Last time I had to let people down with my self inflicted illness taking me over, that was stressful.
I'm dealing with cravings with gabapentin 100s. They are only 100mg each and there isn't an overdose danger so I'm just popping another couple with each craving or bad feeling. I'm slightly staggering, but my balance is usually a bit off, so nothing new there. I feel fully aware, soon fix that with a nice Kush 😂
Back to drinking kratom. I'll lay off the booze and benzos tonight, last night felt really weird.
I've had a couple of baclofen too, do they help with the leg kicks?
 
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