Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!
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Bluelighter
yup hopefully the kiwis get fucked over the worst fuck them
birdup
Bluelight Crew
I think you mean: fuck us.
Deleted member 521610
Bluelighter
This pandemic will be lasting till 2025/2026 the worst is yet to come omricon is nothing compared to the new strain that will arrive by the end of 2022 and even that will be nothing compared to the 2024 strain
Derschieber
Bluelighter
@TripSitterNZ Is Western Australia the west?
We've shut out the world. Stay away, all you diseased freaks.
We've shut out the world. Stay away, all you diseased freaks.
birdup
Bluelight Crew
TripSitterNZ said:
Yeah, I'm no longer optimistic.
God knows how cunning the fuckers were that designed this virus.
Actually you are right I can not find anything saying pfizer is 50% effective against delta.
Pfizer says onky 39% not 50 so I was wrong it is 39 Ive said this like 4 times now it isnt 50 my bad it is worse.
But it doesnt matter worth 2 cents
It has Zero effectiveness against omicron. Antibodies in your system from the vaccine do not attach to the omicron spike at all. Big 0%
Go show me any site on the planet that has numbers showing real effectiveness above 0% for the Omicron variant.
This is some hilarious shit too bad some people died from those vaccines that will not do anything to stop the much faster spreading Omicron.
Edit : again stay on focus no armbands. Repeal all these draconian laws issued in the name of saving the already dead. Make a real vaccine for elderly to elect to take and get your loved ones our of senior death camps.
birdup
Bluelight Crew
So no links or data again?
You could be right.
Post your links.
Let's discuss it.
You could be right.
Post your links.
Let's discuss it.
birdup
Bluelight Crew
Yourbaker said:
You didn't say pfizer.
You said vaccines.
So you have to prove all of the vaccines are less than 50% effective, of which none of them are... you can skip to pfizer if you like, but you will fail at that too.
You still haven't defined what 50% actually means.
Are you talking hospitalization rates or death rates?
What is 50%?
It appears to be - frankly - a number you have produced from your nether regions.
My question is why did we panic? Why pull the pin on a half cooked vaccine and make it's use forced?
We have spent billions of human hours producing and distributing a dud. Hopefully we can learn to not jump at the first hint of trouble, pause, and see where we must go before a few fearful panicing authoritarian government workers forget we need to keep making food and can't all run and hide.
I work in a high travel job and as such had covid early, probably one of the west coast international airports I was flying in and out of or the airport shuttles or questionable airport hotels the company hiring me would book.
Covid wasnt that rough and I didnt believe it was Covid since I had zero respiratory issues. It was a flu, I have had worse, Ive laid on the floor calling for death from a God I didnt believe in, cursing all of them hoping one might be real enough to get pissed off and squish me. Covid for me was sinus issues, headaches that were not regular like the wrong place in my head hurt and a fever that was never present when I woke making me think I was better, it would come on later.
We have spent billions of human hours producing and distributing a dud. Hopefully we can learn to not jump at the first hint of trouble, pause, and see where we must go before a few fearful panicing authoritarian government workers forget we need to keep making food and can't all run and hide.
I work in a high travel job and as such had covid early, probably one of the west coast international airports I was flying in and out of or the airport shuttles or questionable airport hotels the company hiring me would book.
Covid wasnt that rough and I didnt believe it was Covid since I had zero respiratory issues. It was a flu, I have had worse, Ive laid on the floor calling for death from a God I didnt believe in, cursing all of them hoping one might be real enough to get pissed off and squish me. Covid for me was sinus issues, headaches that were not regular like the wrong place in my head hurt and a fever that was never present when I woke making me think I was better, it would come on later.
birdup
Bluelight Crew
So your numbers are made up?
The number you keep asking for are world meter number you can find it or use any numbers you like I don't care.
The 50% was my guess at the vaccine usefulness against delta but I was wrong it is 39 so my bad.
The deaths in Canada just google deaths in care homes in Canada and pick any source you like. It doesn't matter they all say the same thing.
But remember vaccine effectiveness doesnt matter because the winner so far is Omicron and it is all new no help from the vaccine and probably not from previous infection either.
So don't care you can win because new virus new data you're still arguing with me about smallpox.
I wont ever post a link here look up your own data and when you actually do your arguments will either cease or get more challenging.
Edit: again don't side track about old numbers because new virus new numbers new armbands? New lockdowns?
Vaccine effectiveness only matters against the dominant strain in the end. And I was wrong on the 50 it was a guess real number now 0%.
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birdup
Bluelight Crew
You have failed, sir.
Here are a few papers regarding vaccine efficacy on omicron.
www.medrxiv.org
www.medrxiv.org
www.medrxiv.org
www.biorxiv.org
These show that immune evasion can be overcome with higher levels of antibodies from a booster.
One thing to keep in mind is these studies only look at antibodies (because easier to study), and the immune response involves both B and T cells (especially as time goes on, antibody levels drop but B cells can pump out antibodies on a moments notice). This means the data likely under sells the degree of immunity.
Also there was a study recently in tissue organoids (which needs to be further replicated in animals) where omicron infects upper respiratory cells better (as in more viral replication), but is multiple orders of magnitude worse at infecting lung cells (the source of much of covid morbidity). If this result holds, this next wave could prove to be less lethal but more contagious.
www.med.hku.hk
(also its only a press release, so the data will reveal eventually)
mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine boosters induce neutralizing immunity against SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant
Recent surveillance has revealed the emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant (BA.1/B.1.1.529) harboring up to 36 mutations in spike protein, the target of vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies. Given its potential to escape vaccine-induced humoral immunity, we measured neutralization...
mRNA booster immunization elicits potent neutralizing serum activity against the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant
The Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2 is causing a rapid increase in infections in various countries. This new variant of concern carries an unusually high number of mutations in key epitopes of neutralizing antibodies on the spike glycoprotein, suggesting potential immune evasion. Here we assessed...
Third BNT162b2 vaccination neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron infection
Using isolates of SARS-CoV-2 WT, Beta, Delta and most importantly Omicron we studied the capability of the BNT162b2 vaccine given in two or three doses to neutralize major SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern (VOC). We demonstrate low neutralization efficiency against delta and wild-type for vaccines...
Broadly neutralizing antibodies overcome SARS-CoV-2 Omicron antigenic shift
The recently emerged SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant harbors 37 amino acid substitutions in the spike (S) protein, 15 of which are in the receptor-binding domain (RBD), thereby raising concerns about the effectiveness of available vaccines and antibody therapeutics. Here, we show that the Omicron RBD...
These show that immune evasion can be overcome with higher levels of antibodies from a booster.
One thing to keep in mind is these studies only look at antibodies (because easier to study), and the immune response involves both B and T cells (especially as time goes on, antibody levels drop but B cells can pump out antibodies on a moments notice). This means the data likely under sells the degree of immunity.
Also there was a study recently in tissue organoids (which needs to be further replicated in animals) where omicron infects upper respiratory cells better (as in more viral replication), but is multiple orders of magnitude worse at infecting lung cells (the source of much of covid morbidity). If this result holds, this next wave could prove to be less lethal but more contagious.
HKUMed finds Omicron SARS-CoV-2 can infect faster and better than Delta in human bronchus but with less severe infection in lung
A study led by researchers from HKUMed provides the first information on how the novel Variant of Concern of SARS-CoV-2, the Omicron SARS-CoV-2, infect human respiratory tract.
(also its only a press release, so the data will reveal eventually)
birdup
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Deleted member 521610
Bluelighter
no paper can say shit about omricon yet. its obvious its just as severe its crippling the UK health system
birdup
Bluelight Crew
No paper is going to provide a complete view of the situation, but facets of the disease can be compared with what is known.
I am using the same numbers you use and you have become very ridiculous.
Only omicron matters now and it is zero %
The above cited papers say it shows zero% after 5 months but shows a 4 fold increase if you get a booster. Its odd wording even when I drag it out of medical legaleze. 4x0 is still zero, I am certain they mean 4 fold over no booster, But that is still 4×0.
Moderna has failed
Pfizer has failed
Johnson and Johnson have failed
But it truly isnt their fault someone jumped the gun out of fear now we get the real virus.
@birdup the 50% number you finally focused on after me going through ever single other number was an arbitrary number I did pick out of the air but I was generous compared to the companies themselves. You were correct I said the vaccines as a whole and it should be obvious I was giving an approximate usefulness. And yes everywhere on the internet agree with the number zero for omicron.
Deleted member 521610
Bluelighter
i believe its the divine plan to have covid 19 play out for half the decade at a minimum this gives time for planet earth to heal.