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I've scared the shit out of my husband too just this week, the same way. I'm perfectly well when I'm using, I consider myself a functioning addict i suppose, I'm just getting over my latest attempt, cold turkey from last Sunday, then I broke a few days in and stuck on a bupe patch to help, still was hell, doing ok today but I've bupe holding me together again instead of my DOC.
My husband has never seen me go CT since he knew that's what it is. This was the first time I told him I was going to be ill in advance and I didn't hide it.
I don't know if that was wise or not because now he is less content with the situation than he was before, when he only saw the benefits, when the price was only having a happily scatterbrained wife. Seeing me puke and shit my way into emaciation while writhing around in agony didn't thrill him at all.
I'm around the 50 mark too and it hardly seems worth the effort of trying any more, it's so damn hard
Sounds like a turning point in life, and a good time to get serious about quitting for good. If he’s not happy about you going through this right now then he’s going to be pretty angry the next time. You can put a spin on this one and say you wanted to be a better wife, but after another 1 or 2 rounds of addiction and withdrawal and his only logical conclusion will have to be that the drugs are more important than the marriage.

We all have a subconscious hope that there’s still hope of coexistence with normal life and our addictions. At the very least we expect to get another chance. Life gets really hard when your last chance was the one you already used up.
 
Day 10 (if you don't count 30mg codeine yesterday, it really wasn't anything except a headache which gave me an excuse). As for opiates I'm ignoring their existance and right now I am sipping on my first ever cup of kratom. I wasn't sure how to make so I just did the same as for pod tea, stuck the powder in an insulated flask with boiled water and give it a good shake for ten minutes, strain and repeat. Doesn't taste as bad as it smells. I'm probably going to sleep soon, I got the opiate wd strength and used two level teaspoons, it seems strong, more sedating and less stimulating than my usual brew.

@Squeaky, thank you, hugely, you made a difference. I read your last reply to me while stoned and was thinking, this guy doesn't know it's not smack I'm on, if it were any of the usual people here, they know I'm not a smackhead and would know I'm just one of those people who says they're an addict because it's a damn sight easier than explaining the difference between me continually taking opiates by choice and a real addict. I digested the words then looked who posted it. OMG, it was Squeaky. I recoiled in shock, honestly. I trust Squeaky. He is the most consistant person on here that I've seen, you know, he's the least crazy of all of us. And I went to sleep then (I'm using one benzo per three nights for sleeping).

It's like I woke up properly. I don't think my husband would ever leave me, he keeps telling me the biggest fear he has is of losing me. I should not put that burden on the love of my life, that he fears losing me to either overdose, mental illness or I simply choose the drugs. Right now I'm once again choosing life over death. I gotta say death didn't cause me much fear except I kept telling myself that my kids are adults, but I had them deliberately, my choice for them to be here, my responsibility to see them right. And me dying would kill my husband (their Dad) within a year or two after me, just as him nearly dying 30 months ago made this whole journey seem like such a good idea, I felt the future was ripped from us so what the hell, live for now. He was never able to return to work after what happened, I nursed him better and he's been looking after me ever since because I was nodding through the day, stoned as well and not a lot of fucking use to anyone. Managing to work some days, but I'm self employed and while the extra money is handy, my husband has always said earning money is his responsibility, I can if I want, but he's still paying the bills and he finally got his ill health early pension a few months ago, so I'm working because I want to. I actually do want to work even though it doesn't excite me much these days. If I lost that I'd be more adrift than ever.

So I get it now. I'm not some exception, I'm exactly the same as any other addict choosing my DOC as a choice every day until this time and also being very fricking addicted . Definitely physically, I NEED bupe. Mentally, well of course I love it, how could anyone not?

So I'm day 10 off opiates, more or less, except my buprenorphine patch of course, it's the smallest one I have and it's going ok. It's weed I cannot put down. I abstained Sunday until Thursday last week, it was over a year since I've had a day without it and it wasn't working so well any more. OMG, That bong blew my fricking head off and I keep trying to repeat it, but I can't because it's every day again and I can't manage to quit for a few days so I can get max effects again. Yesterday I actually followed a woman walking down the street so her cigarette smoke was blowing my direction and I was gulping it, god I wanted one, I've not had nicotine in years, why am I craving even that now?

I only started cigarettes because I needed them for joints, although even as a child I was perfectly capeable of making anything from a matchbox pipe to a full size bong. So I don't know if I can ever quit the flower, I was getting stoned before I was even first drunk, although our parents allowed us cider as kids, I never liked the fizziness. Still hate soda drinks unless there's a vodka in there.

Weed was my first drug, well hash actually, from age twelve, I loved it. I'd smoke a joint and my mind would clear of nasty things. After some trauma age 14 it got to be a real habit, so good for removing unwelcome thoughts and giving you a brain a goldfish wouldn't envy for it's memory. Age 16 I ran away, alone, with my money in my right bra cup, my dope in the left cup and a tent slung across my back. My mum caught me going, but didn't bother to stop me leaving the country, just told me to phone her when I decided where I was going. Fuck, she sure knew how to take the wind out of my sails, lol. I was no longer a runaway (which would have been pretty cool to my young mind), I'd fricking permission to go get lost and fend for myself overseas, in fact anywhere away from her and her fella was fine with my mum. She knew I'd not enough money, less chance of me coming back maybe?

The shit that preceded that (good) turning point all comes back as well as the trouble I ran into over the next lot of years until my husband fell in love with me, at first sight he reckons (I scrubbed up well that night). Which was very lucky for my homeless drug addicted 24yo ass at that point in my life (I was still hiding it really well while sofa surfing, but my welcome was starting to wear thin in places).

So Kratom, rest and good food. I've apologised a hundred times a day since day1, my husband says I've nothing to apologise for, but I know without him I wouldn't be ok.

The Kratom must be working, I want to say I love all of you on this thread, but I'd sound like even more of a loon if I did.
Thank you all for helping me to this point. :heart3::heart3::heart3::boof:
 
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Day 10 (if you don't count 30mg codeine yesterday, it really wasn't anything except a headache which gave me an excuse). As for opiates I'm ignoring their existance and right now I am sipping on my first ever cup of kratom. I wasn't sure how to make so I just did the same as for pod tea, stuck the powder in an insulated flask with boiled water and give it a good shake for ten minutes, strain and repeat. Doesn't taste as bad as it smells. I'm probably going to sleep soon, I got the opiate wd strength and used two level teaspoons, it seems strong, more sedating and less stimulating than my usual brew.

@Squeaky, thank you, hugely, you made a difference. I read your last reply to me while stoned and was thinking, this guy doesn't know it's not smack I'm on, if it were any of the usual people here, they know I'm not a smackhead and would know I'm just one of those people who says they're an addict because it's a damn sight easier than explaining the difference between me continually taking opiates by choice and a real addict. I digested the words then looked who posted it. OMG, it was Squeaky. I recoiled in shock, honestly. I trust Squeaky. He is the most consistant person on here that I've seen, you know, he's the least crazy of all of us. And I went to sleep then (I'm using one benzo per three nights for sleeping).

It's like I woke up properly. I don't think my husband would ever leave me, he keeps telling me the biggest fear he has is of losing me. I should not put that burden on the love of my life, that he fears losing me to either overdose, mental illness or I simply choose the drugs. Right now I'm once again choosing life over death. I gotta say death didn't cause me much fear except I kept telling myself that my kids are adults, but I had them deliberately, my choice for them to be here, my responsibility to see them right. And me dying would kill my husband (their Dad) within a year or two after me, just as him nearly dying 30 months ago made this whole journey seem like such a good idea, I felt the future was ripped from us so what the hell, live for now. He was never able to return to work after what happened, I nursed him better and he's been looking after me ever since because I was nodding through the day, stoned as well and not a lot of fucking use to anyone. Managing to work some days, but I'm self employed and while the extra money is handy, my husband has always said earning money is his responsibility, I can if I want, but he's still paying the bills and he finally got his ill health early pension a few months ago, so I'm working because I want to. I actually do want to work even though it doesn't excite me much these days. If I lost that I'd be more adrift than ever.

So I get it now. I'm not some exception, I'm exactly the same as any other addict choosing my DOC as a choice every day until this time and also being very fucking addicted . Definitely physically, I NEED bupe. Mentally, well of course I love it, how could anyone not?

So I'm day 10 off opiates, more or less, except my buprenorphine patch of course, it's the smallest one I have and it's going ok. It's weed I cannot put down. I abstained Sunday until Thursday last week, it was over a year since I've had a day without it and it wasn't working so well any more. OMG, That bong blew my fucking head off and I keep trying to repeat it, but I can't because it's every day again and I can't manage to quit for a few days so I can get max effects again. Yesterday I actually followed a woman walking down the street so her cigarette smoke was blowing my direction and I was gulping it, god I wanted one, I've not had nicotine in years, why am I craving even that now?

I only started cigarettes because I needed them for joints, although even as a child I was perfectly capeable of making anything from a matchbox pipe to a full size bong. So I don't know if I can ever quit the flower, I was getting stoned before I was even first drunk, although our parents allowed us cider as kids, I never liked the fizziness. Still hate soda drinks unless there's a vodka in there.

Weed was my first drug, well hash actually, from age twelve, I loved it. I'd smoke a joint and my mind would clear of nasty things. After some trauma age 14 it got to be a real habit, so good for removing unwelcome thoughts and giving you a brain a goldfish wouldn't envy for it's memory. Age 16 I ran away, alone, with my money in my right bra cup, my dope in the left cup and a tent slung across my back. My mum caught me going, but didn't bother to stop me leaving the country, just told me to phone her when I decided where I was going. Fuck, she sure knew how to take the wind out of my sails, lol. I was no longer a runaway (which would have been pretty cool to my young mind), I'd fucking permission to go get lost and fend for myself overseas, in fact anywhere away from her and her fella was fine with my mum. She knew I'd not enough money, less chance of me coming back maybe? That shit all comes back as well as the trouble I ran into on a regular basis over the next eight years until my husband fell in love with me, practically at first sight he reckons (I scrubbed up well that night). Which was very lucky for my homeless drug addicted 24yo ass at that point in my life.

So Kratom, rest and good food. I've apologised a hundred times a day since day1, my husband says I've nothing to apologise for, but I know without him I wouldn't be ok.

The Kratom must be working, I want to say I love all of you on this thread, but I'd sound like even more of a loon if I did.
Thank you all for helping me to this point. :heart3::heart3::heart3::boof:
:cheer:
 
Regarding opiate wd and kratom...

Will this alleviate insomnia RLS ?
Kind of strange I never ever had contact with kratom..

Is there a better best brand or kind to get?

I have ripinirole for tonight to see if that works...

Reality..
Driving back into town and have refills waiting to be picked up.
Norco/Tramadol

Rationalization man......
 
Regarding opiate wd and kratom...

Will this alleviate insomnia RLS ?
Kind of strange I never ever had contact with kratom..

Is there a better best brand or kind to get?

I have ripinirole for tonight to see if that works...

Reality..
Driving back into town and have refills waiting to be picked up.
Norco/Tramadol

Rationalization man......
As for RLS on kratom withdrawl.Remember a caps. Pregabaline eases all symptoms
 
Regarding opiate wd and kratom...

Will this alleviate insomnia RLS ?
Kind of strange I never ever had contact with kratom..

Is there a better best brand or kind to get?

I have ripinirole for tonight to see if that works...

Reality..
Driving back into town and have refills waiting to be picked up.
Norco/Tramadol

Rationalization man......
I've got RLS hardly at all this time round, my husband had a bruised leg last time and I'm trying to think what I did different. I think it's the extra gabapentin, I've been taking 2-4g a day while last time I'd only maybe 1g per day (in small doses through the day).

So I agree with Nas47, gabapentin or pregabaline for RLS, same drug, different release speeds, gabapentin is quicker to come and go from your system.

I don't know much about the other things you mention. Red Kratom for sedating effect or opioid wd, white vein kratom for energy, my knowledge ends there! There are other threads with more about it.
 
Regarding opiate wd and kratom...

Will this alleviate insomnia RLS ?
Kind of strange I never ever had contact with kratom..

Is there a better best brand or kind to get?

I have ripinirole for tonight to see if that works...

Reality..
Driving back into town and have refills waiting to be picked up.
Norco/Tramadol

Rationalization man......
I never got RLS, so I can’t speak to that.
Kratom for me, makes all my wd symptoms much more manageable. After day 4 on Kratom, 90% of my wd’s are being managed very well by Kratom. Still have the depression and a little trouble sleeping after that, but the physical wd’s are pretty much gone.

Kratom is a little bit like weed. People report slightly different effects from different strains (red,green, etc). I think the truth is that if you’re using it for opiate wd’s then it doesn’t really matter as long as it is 100% real Kratom. Some of the stuff sold at gas stations is not always what it says. There’s several reputable sellers online. I always get “Red Maeng Da”, but I doubt it matters much which kind. I suggest buying in bulk because the DEA is trying right now to get the WHO to outlaw it globally, and it’s way cheaper by the kilogram.

But the only way to know for sure is to try it. When you puke, that’s your max dose. After that, there’s really no downside even if you overdose.
 
I never got RLS, so I can’t speak to that.
Kratom for me, makes all my wd symptoms much more manageable. After day 4 on Kratom, 90% of my wd’s are being managed very well by Kratom. Still have the depression and a little trouble sleeping after that, but the physical wd’s are pretty much gone.

Kratom is a little bit like weed. People report slightly different effects from different strains (red,green, etc). I think the truth is that if you’re using it for opiate wd’s then it doesn’t really matter as long as it is 100% real Kratom. Some of the stuff sold at gas stations is not always what it says. There’s several reputable sellers online. I always get “Red Maeng Da”, but I doubt it matters much which kind. I suggest buying in bulk because the DEA is trying right now to get the WHO to outlaw it globally, and it’s way cheaper by the kilogram.

But the only way to know for sure is to try it. When you puke, that’s your max dose. After that, there’s really no downside even if you overdose.
I dont know,but Indonesia which is a biggest importer of Kratom has signs a treaty in which from 2024 i think import will be forbidden.This will have an impact of global kratom market.
 
Regarding opiate wd and kratom...

Will this alleviate insomnia RLS ?
Kind of strange I never ever had contact with kratom..

Is there a better best brand or kind to get?

I have ripinirole for tonight to see if that works...

Reality..
Driving back into town and have refills waiting to be picked up.
Norco/Tramadol

Rationalization man......

Magnesium is said to be good for RLS. For insomnia nothing worked for me. Clonidine was the best med i had for the skin crawly feeling. No matter what you have comfort med wise it's still gonna suck, sorry but that's reality. Just keep your mind busy, it helps . Go for a walk or run, i know it sounds bad but it will help. Showers and baths.

Try to keep reminding yourself that in a couple days the sucky feeling will be gone
 
Magnesium is said to be good for RLS. For insomnia nothing worked for me. Clonidine was the best med i had for the skin crawly feeling. No matter what you have comfort med wise it's still gonna suck, sorry but that's reality. Just keep your mind busy, it helps . Go for a walk or run, i know it sounds bad but it will help. Showers and baths.

Try to keep reminding yourself that in a couple days the sucky feeling will be gone
And take the batteries out of every clock in the house. Somehow the more you think about how much time is left, the longer it takes.
 
I dont know,but Indonesia which is a biggest importer of Kratom has signs a treaty in which from 2024 i think import will be forbidden.This will have an impact of global kratom market.
Time to stock up then.....
 
Believe it or not, as much as my whole body hurts and the deep depression that comes in withdrawals, the best thing I can do is to get up and go outside and work. Mow the lawn, wash the car...... anything. Time goes faster and the combination of sunshine and exercise combined with the feeling of not being useless really helps to start the endorphins and dopamine flowing naturally.
 
I’m writing this on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving in the USA:

Here comes the hardest part of the holidays.....

I would be soooo happy/grateful/comfortable if I could wake up on Thanksgiving day and be any one of these things: well rested, at peace, happy(in general), NOT in pain, NOT thinking about my pills, NOT worried about anything, etc. The bitch of it is that those pills can bring me all of those things and more. I know that I could just use them for a day or two (or 4) and have an awesome 4-day weekend. I would just promise myself that I won’t do it too much, and come Monday I’ll get right back to being smart about my pills, not using them, blah blah.

The irony is that I won’t be smart on Monday. All weekend I’ll keep using more and more just trying to get to that happy/comfortable place I know and love. Every little ache or bit of insomnia will help me to excuse using “just one more”. I’ll use so much on Thanksgiving day that I’ll start the next day needing some just to shake off the hangover. And then I’ll say “well.... what’s one more day?”. Then I’ll do it all over again on Friday, Saturday, and by Sunday I’ll be trying to figure out where all the pills went to.

Come Monday morning and I have to go to work. I’ll go to bed on Sunday promising myself that tomorrow I’ll get serious and use zero pills, even if it is hard. But since tomorrow is going to suck anyway...... might as well enjoy the last day of my 4 day weekend right? And Sunday I’ll use more pills than I ever have, right up until bedtime.

Monday gets here like a truck load of dead animal carcasses flipped over in rush hour traffic. My head is so foggy and my everything hurts. I’ll blame it on anything or anyone but never blame myself. I’ll start Monday with just enough pills to function, plan a quick taper (maybe 2 days), and promise myself to stick with the plan. In my head I have only lost a few days and by Friday I’ll be back on track. No harm, no foul. And only a set back of about a week. But it was totally worth it right?

NOT! Fast forward to Friday, a week after Thanksgiving Day..... I still feel like shit. I didn’t taper like I planned. I made myself WAY TOO COMFORTABLE on Monday instead of sticking to my strict plan, and by Wednesday I’m still using huge amounts. Thursday I’m basically out of pills and making the same statements I did on the previous Sunday. “If I’m going to be out of my meds and suffering tomorrow anyway, I might as well go to bed happy.” So I use all but one, trying to save it for an emergency or something stupid that I’ll never get to see.

Friday. I’m miserable. One pill isn’t going to do shit but I desperately take it as soon as I can get out of bed because I’m praying that it will at least cut back on the wd’s enough to make a plan. I swore I wouldn’t let this problem affect my job but I’m too broken to go to work, so I call out sick. The one pill didn’t even scratch the surface of what’s happening to me and I actually feel even more stupid. Why? Because my addicted brain says that if I had saved it then I could have had some fun in a week or two, after my tolerance drops back down. I lie to everyone about the real reason I’m exhausted, sweating, nauseous, etc. “Must have been something I ate”.

I try to sleep after the sun goes down but I’m just drenched in sweat and legitimately in pain. Angry at myself because THIS time I’m really hurting but I wasted all of my pills last weekend..... For what? I barely remember my awesome 4-day weekend. I ate some amazing food that I barely tasted. I slept 1/2 of every day and most of every night. I made a fool of myself a couple of times, slurring my words, and making inappropriate jokes that almost made sense. I had to excuse myself several times because wanted more pills or because even I could tell that I wasn’t making sense. And now I’m spending far too much time struggling to get away from a few commitments I made when I was feeling awesome, since right now I can barely get out of bed.

..... So. Instead I’m going to keep taking my Kratom. I’m going to stay away from my pills completely, not even one. I’ll spend the whole weekend questioning if it’s worth it to stay straight. But on Monday morning I’ll be 4 days closer to freedom instead of having slid backwards by a couple of months. I’ll hate myself a little bit for not having a “better” vacation, but I’ll definitely be proud of myself for getting through the temptation and for not setting myself back. And I won’t be able to tell anyone or brag or be proud of myself out loud at all, or my bullshit won’t work next time because the people close to me will recognize the signs next time.

This is why I come to BlueLight. Here I can be honest and people understand what I’m going through because they are going through it also.
 
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