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Everything is meaningless.

@dalpat077

I don't consider what we're doing a waste of time any more than I consider almost anything a waste of time, really. It's not about power/influence for me. I know people who've been in positions of power. I know very wealthy people. In the grand scheme of things, they are just monkeys like me and everyone else here. We're on a spinning rock in the middle of a never ending void and one day our species will all be dead.

That sounds depressing.

I'm not depressed about it.

That's just the way it is.

There are things I would rather be doing. I need to play my drums more, not that there's any meaning in that.

I would be surprised if hedonism - the way it has been described - is a sustainable lifestyle.
 
I don't consider what we're doing a waste of time any more than I consider almost anything a waste of time, really. It's not about power/influence for me. I know people who've been in positions of power. I know very wealthy people. In the grand scheme of things, they are just monkeys like me and everyone else here. We're on a spinning rock in the middle of a never ending void and one day our species will all be dead.
I was wrong then obviously and obviously not the person that's going to be able to explain "the meaning of life" you you (or anybody else for that matter). But if anybody ever finds the answer: then be nice and share if you don't mind! Not going to hold my breath though.


That sounds depressing.
Nah. That's fine. I'm almost two months into Fluoxetine! You can say what you like! :ROFLMAO:


There are things I would rather be doing. I need to play my drums more, not that there's any meaning in that.
Well that's just my point for what it's worth. There is meaning to that. It has definitive outcomes i.e. becoming a more accomplished drummer (which is self satisfying) and is pleasurable. And depending on how old you are and how much life you still have in you: could lead to a band. Outcomes. So not a meaningless endeavor I'd say.


I would be surprised if hedonism - the way it has been described - is a sustainable lifestyle.
Depends on what you mean by "sustainable". But I think I already answered my own question by reading the below. Maybe your's too.



Personal opinion: were it not for hedonism no human would get out of bed in the morning! :ROFLMAO:
 
But if anybody ever finds the answer: then be nice and share if you don't mind! Not going to hold my breath though.
Peter Tosh sang brilliantly "What are we looking for I don't know but if you find it, please won't you tell me so...tell me so? Mmm mmm."

But that wasn't actually about meaning and purpose as such I think it was more to do with the grand view of the big picture and the ultimate purpose and quest in life and the greatest value and pursuit because he was a man of inner faith who had great confidence in the divine and supreme and infinite.

He saw every shard of darkness and ruin in society and humanity but his faith was never broken and I doubt he ever felt or after a certain age anyway that everything on the whole was meaningless and going in no direction.

Maybe he was wrong but I do feel very similarly we can't see it we're just mortals after all we rule out so much expect so much and don't expect so much while we live on this little not even probably spinning actually lol whatever it is mound of earth I'll say.

The not knowing is a torment after all. Hence, the witheld insights that became the founding ethos ages ago by the purposely defined and title "illuminated ones".

I have always felt a strong rejection to dark secrecy like even if there is some sort of reason why I must no longer for example be breathing air on this planet then just fucking tell me but then obviously that means going to war so that's why we have all of this cunning long winded covert and sneaky shit now and wisely too.

Silent assasins.

Personally I'm actually really looking forward I wish I could just watch this movie play out from a far away destination with everybody else as if it wasn't real and then just get on with the show afterwards.
 
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You can't take any drug forever.

Everything becomes boring eventually.

I don't want to fuck all day either.

Pleasure is best in moderation.
I could probably take LSD until I die though. I know it's not forever but with time dilation currently honestly one day is like the experience of three it's been astonishing me this week in particular sending an email during the night the next afternoon thinking back on what I can't believe isn't at least 50 hours of conscious experience and depth.

And yet memories from a month ago can feel very fresh. So I'm just saying time can definitely be an illusion.

Definitely a two for one deal on time going at my local Poundland anyway.

I had to take some back the other day because I'd already squeezed three days into one and the day still wasn't done. I was beat so I just returned it and went to bed.
 
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You can't take any drug forever.

Everything becomes boring eventually.

I don't want to fuck all day either.

Pleasure is best in moderation.
So basically you're just fucking bored then! :ROFLMAO:

Go practice and make a recording for us. 🥁

Not quite sure what I'm trying to accomplish here i.e. starting to look meaningless! :unsure:
 
@dalpat077 sorry amnesia corrected now. I always qoute the song lines wrong until it bugs me enough to recall it precisely.

Whatever we're looking for, I don't know but if you find it, please won't you tell me so, tell me so..

He was a wise and humble guy.
 
Meaning is to me plain sense. Grasp. It doesn't even need to be very philosophical.

Personally it is actually inherently entirely spiritual ultimately in no airy fairy new age preaching way, but a real honest commitment deep inside to the work and vision from ever.

I see more sense now than I ever did. It's everywhere. It has to be. It's like knitting.

I also see the nonsense. There doesn't need to be any nonsense. Bad actors. Talking crap.

Liars. I don't do hating people, or beasts. I hate what they do! How they affect us/me.

It is all this deliberate dishonest pantomime nonsense, the 94%, making things feel meaningless and certainly hopeless, worthless, whether they are or not.

It's the system. It's designed to beat you down.

But the sense is everywhere, and it's visibility increases continuously in fully congruous manner. Sense to me I mean. I can after all right, ONLY speak for myself??

I mean I still haven't seen convincing evidence that I am not the only one who exists and you do not all just exist in my imagination and the same applies to every single conscious human being I reckon but we overlook this so much.

It just occurred to me to keep that in mind more we get so hooked into reality and it's kind of a nice way of taking a different angle. Pretend for a few minutes a time that it might all just be some mental trip in my own head and there are no other people involved in this particular one.

(It's really a mental and philosophical exercise for humour and therapy not being massively serious here but never being unreal either)
 
One day in a little monastery a student of Zen was anxiously pondering about whether he has done the right thing in one of his actions the day before... After his thoughts became so busy that it was unbearable he went to his teacher, explained him his problem and asked:

"My beloved teacher, have I done the right thing?"

-„Right thing for who?“ ...Zen master replied...

...and continued:

Right thing for one is inevitably wrong thing for another! ...right is always contrary to left...and what you are left with then is the conclusion that it cannot exist right for everything... Because, what would be left then?

You are asking an irrelevant question. Rather selfish one I would add...

You can never know what is the right thing for you...let alone what is the right thing to do for another person...

In fact, there is no such thing as doing the right thing! Right is done and automatically wrong is done... There is only the doing and it is being done eternally and effortlessly by itself!

Trust Universe to take care of itself and you will be free from any wrong or right ...and left at peace eternally by stopping all judgment in your mind...

...and the student had no further doubts any more...


Whats the point? That there is no point!

If you think yourself as something you are putting limits on yourself. You are creating a part in infinity and then you are clinging to this part as you were it. Tension toward infinity is created.You are crating the point in infinity and you are pointing to it as yourself. Once point is created, and you associate yourself with it you have limited yourself - you have put yourself outside of everything...it is you against everything else... and this is the situation where we are now. We think we are The Point! Each one of us thinks he is The Point... But if you get off this illusion that there is some point, that you as that point exist independently, that you are some thing...if you get rid of the illusion of identifying - then you can see that there is really no you...and that in this way you are everything... You are the point, but not seeing yourself as any particular point you can break yourself down in two and still remain unchanged. You can be broken down in half eternally, and still remain yourself, just because you did not identify yourself with any particular point, with any particular state. Here is the source of eternal, unlimited energy emanating from one point - not identifying as any particular point, not limiting yourself with any state. Then you can be broken down to eternity...split up, played with, created with, sustained, and broken down again with out being anything less at any state and any time. This is what is thought when said "You gotta lose yourself in order to become everything...".

What point are you? You are no point! Whats the point? There is no point! And what a wonderful point of view this is!

....

I really don't believe in anything. I have my own story that is rationalising experience filtered through senses and then put into words. Thinking is in my case all done in terms of words. "I" speak to "myself", willingly or deterministicly, I don't know. From inner and outer dialogue I make impressions and come up with some structures that should represent and conway reality. But there lies the problem.

Let's put aside my biological conditioning, or even psychological/cultural conditioning. Let's look at "what is the main tool that I use when structuring impressions and representing reality". It is always some kind of language. English language will do for illustration, but there is a language of mathematics, physics, some other set of self referring symbols. Heck, I don't know any language that does not have built in itself dual structure. Up and down, in and out, cold and hot, me and you, right or wrong.

But let's stay on English language. To express anything one has to obey the rules of English language itself. Form is strict and if you do not adhere to it you will not be able to say/convey anything. There is doer of action, action, and some judgment of the whole thing. No matter what one experiences and wants to convey it always has to take a rigid form of an language. Therefore the language itself become obstical to thinking and conversing.

Languages are made by humans, they are allways limited and very rigid, and it seems to me that only thing one can explain is the language itself. Problem arrises when we say that we "believe" or "know". Believing or knowing are concepts that have their validity only within certain rigid and limited set of rules of a given language. Why do we believe what we believe? Why are we ready to fight about it?

Language, any language, always describes itself. Its similar with other tools. When you are looking through a microscope you are always looking how the microscope looks. You are actually looking the structure of microscope not the actual "thing on the other side". That is the case with all tools. We are always "measuring the instrument" while what is being measured can not even be defined. It is an approximation, with instrument being what it is really measured. Then we put that measurement in another constraint, the one of language and we think we understand it. Is it only me who sees the absurdity of all this?

How can you believe anything that is not already ready made by language you use? Therefore, can you even believe something you have seen/understood (here goes the problem of language again) or is it always regurgitation of belief that is bound by "language" in which you are expressing it?


True story bro. Is it meaningless? It sure is copy/paste. Maybe not for your taste. But that's how my mind works and now you're the guest. I guess. God bless?
 
I think of the ants on the ground to home Manchester United football club and the Old Trafford Stadium has absolutely no meaning.

But I doubt the ants are ever scratching their heads searching for meaning as such and I bet they find full meaning in every step they take daily their short lives.

Because ants are smart creatures unlike humans. From another angle just suppose as a race and spaces we "reckoned right", We got it all figured out now we know the meaning and explanation for everything.

But there was no way of communicating this to the ants on the ground so when one day the answer asking the same question...
 
They almost completely lack intelligence, don't they?

I went through a phase of eating insects at one point because I determined they aren't sophisticated enough to feel suffering.

Ants are zesty. They taste like citrus fruits.
I disagree that they don't feel suffering I think they definitely do as an example I grew up accepting acceptable culture of coarse fishing we call it in the United Kingdom basically fishing on still waters for fun sake only catch whatever you want as long as you pay the government your annual rod license.

Now a big part of me was never comfortable with this for good reason being a spiritual person and a man of reason deep down.

I grew up being taken and then going by myself fishing regularly as a way of basically spending time in nature all school holidays I might as typically go fishing every day getting up and leaving at 3:30 am with a bicycle packed with all of my basic fishing equipment and umbrella and food and more and not go home until 4 pm.

I was quite a rubbish fisherman I lost more fish then I have a court and I missed more bites then I struck right.

I could barely tie hooks properly I was just so unprofessional the whole thing is to damn material and competitive for me anyway.

So I was 17 years old and I did actually enjoy the whole ritual and pastime. When I had this genuine flick book style visionary dream one day which was so astoundingly clear a message from my higher self to myself.

I used to catch green Tench early dawn typically. So one day I was having this really vivid dream that I was hooked onto a world record tench in my living room though at home.

Full fishing rod and line. Except only the tail of the fish was visible sticking out from behind a curtain covering our dining table chairs so that you couldn't see the rest of the tench behind the curtain from the tail alone it was probably over 40 lbs and the world record was maybe 13-15 lbs then.

What I used to do, playing games with dogs, I tied thick strong rpund a tennis ball, tied to short half fishing rod, cast ball behind table and chairs.

Dog in there me pretending it's winning lol. Hours of fun for it.

So in this dream it happened very quickly because the message was loud and clear and obvious one minute I was very excited thinking wow I'm hooked onto a world record tench over 40 lbs.

Except its body was covered by the curtain. Next moment all of that is gone and we used to have an advert in England for Andrex loo rolls and they used a Labrador puppy golden retriever style.

Cute thing. It became known as the Andrex puppy.

So in my dream suddenly there is no fishing rod no nothing still in the same room but there is an Andrex puppy in front of me.

Basically I never went fishing again after that day because that was my higher self just saying to me come on use your head man just because the fish's pain, suffering, fear and trauma is entirely imperceptible to you that not make it acceptable to inflict that's unnecessary level of abuse on one of nature's living creatures.

In my mind there is no way I will accept "ahh they don't feel it".

I do eat meat and fish it would be practically impossible for me to suffice without those foods on such a restricted diet already they are vital with the whole allergy complexities but that is legalised animal cruelty.

I mean just imagine an alternate universe where instead of a fishing license I could pay the government £57 annually for the legal right to cast a hamburger over my back fence (We had a fence then we have a wall and school now) with a shark rod and catch myself a stray Rottweiler.

Ethics would come into that in this world because the thing would be kicking and screaming like mad I imagine and it's distress would be so obvious the Angler would not be able to take enjoyment in its temporary retrieval from the wild.

There would be blood everywhere you may even need to call a vet.

So many times small fish swallow the hook meant for larger fish and it rip their guts out with a disgorger the only way to remove the hook they are then tossed back into the water 90% dead upside down it's collateral damage but they don't feel it they would tell themselves (despite knowing better).

Then there was another tale a 12 lb mirror carp near my cousins area on a busy public private fee fishing pond.

Basically it was the biggest fish in that heavily stocked pond it was 12 lb in weight and when it was finally caught one time 11 hooks were removed from its mouth which had previously been broken from a line in a fight.

All the thing is trying to do is safely nibble a bit of sweetcorn these fish get incredibly cautious and spooked like hell anglers have to outsmart them with all sorts of tricks and they do forever catching them with hooks suddenly ripping into their mouth or girls or stomachs or fins if they get wrong hooked.

Then it's dragged against all their might and will until they are exhausted and removed from the water like imagine going to eat your sandwich one day and suddenly you like "what the fuck?" and somebody's reeling you into the lake basically me and you are lucky to get back to your family and friends later on.

I mean yes we do eat fish and meat but still that is considered necessary to a degree it's still being debated anyway.

But again this is still unnecessary torture and abuse of a natural conscious living animal we just accept it because it's easy unlike the Rottweiler where the pleasure would be outweighed by the obvious immorality and cruelty of it all.

The other thing about the Rottweiler just imagine I have seen one running outside in the road so I quickly grabbed my shark rod and bacon sandwich throw it out of the top bedroom window hook the thing beat it in battle with my 80 lbtest fishing line and dope Shumani reel and body strap.

I get it to the front of the house but then my mum has to go down and open the front door and safely and hook and release the animal.

Because this is very common practice with fishing having another assist you to "land" a fish on the bank they call it.

Now I don't think my mum would be happy about that for a start. So where do we draw the line could we go out catching squirrels or kangaroos because we have paid a license and just drag them in if we can if they die in the process it's fine nobody's committed a crime we're not really allowed to take them home and eat them but all of the Polish immigrants who visited our town basically did do that and emptied the rivers out quite some years ago now...

It can only be a species whose pain is imperceptible but it must be fun and exciting game at the same time ants don't quite make the cut there but they would probably be good if they had different varieties and were about 500 times the size.

So basically I have to go by the same principle there is no way I can except personally that just because an ant appears so uninterested in deviating from its natural primitive course in automatic mode, exploring it's consciousness. Maybe one day watching a live Manchester United game from the terraces.

That's it does not feel pain or suffer I don't actually think they will be suffering anywhere near on the same level as different types of animals or humans because there is a different scale of mental and emotional trauma but I do believe that these creatures have a sense of life and consciousness and a sense of fear and feel pain because that is the way of life in this reality otherwise why do they exercise caution at all it's the sense of danger which keeps us alive.



No LSD exactly 5 days now. But I also jammed the small of my back & diaphragm with both locked in spasm, inhibiting digestion, wind, bowels, nausea and rotten.

Nasty bliw I dealt myself there. Rib breaks in back. Should have been lot worse. Not hitting head at all, some kind of fluke too. Missing bath handrail.

Can barely sleep still little here there. Been needing lots drugs for time pass and pain. Hence above lol! Phew what a 9 days.
 
I'm quitting weed so I had some vivid dreams last night. Nothing quite as disturbing as your dreams. My 93 year old grandmother was walking on broken glass because I smashed her window with a soccer ball. I bought a bottle of red wine called "Rosetta Stone". I have no issue shooting a wild kangaroo or a wild rabbit. Hunting isn't cruelty. Factory farming is cruel. Hunting overpopulated animals isn't. Or, if it is, then animals are cruel too?

Ants aren't fish, bro.

I was eating a "non-sentient" diet that consisted of molluscs, insects and vegetation. Anatomically there is no evidence that molluscs or (hive) insects can suffer. I'm not going to assume they can suffer unless there is evidence, but that doesn't appear to be your prerequisite for belief. I'm not going to assume vaccines kill more people than viruses either, unless the evidence says so.

I liked your post.

Work was much easier today because of the relative lack of weed in my system. I normally consume a ridiculous amount of weed. Today is a "day off" and I'm currently eating two brownies. I'm going through withdrawals because I'm not having 3+ grams per day.

I am much clearer/sharper without weed. I am a better father, a better husband and a better employee... Similarly, you make a lot more sense when you're not overconsuming LSD. (You still don't make an enormous amount of sense.)

Fishing for your neighbours dog is a cute, creative idea. But, it's not just the blood that makes that situation complicated. The dog also belongs to someone. You can't go and kill livestock on farms, either.

I do see your point, however.

Dogs are as smart as pigs.

Everyone gets super racist when the topic of Korean/Chinese people eating dogs comes up, but we distance ourselves from the reality of pig slaughter.

Whether or not to eat meat is complicated. I don't believe it's healthy to be vegan. This is my conclusion after trying and failing and trying and failing for decades.

Another thing to consider is: there is nowhere for cows to go.

If we stop eating cows, they will become endangered.

There was a good film about this stuff that came out a while back called Fast Food Nation. At one point in the story, some kids get together and try to free cattle from a factory farm... but they quickly realize that the cattle has nowhere to go.

Perhaps if every vegan adopted a cow?

I have 18 fish in a tank beside my computer monitor. I eat sushi in front of them. We have an understanding. I will not eat them and they will not eat me. Sometimes I abduct kids in the neighbourhood and feed them to the fish. I consider this a reasonable sacrifice in order to maintain our equilibrium.

I love fishing. My grandfather was a fisherman. I use a 3 metre surf road. I fish on the beach, with the waves crashing against me.

We mainly catch Bream, Flathead and Whiting.
 
@birdup. Every now and then, more often than not, you make my day with a post. :)

I went through a phase of eating insects at one point because I determined they aren't sophisticated enough to feel suffering.
That's how I feel about Alexei Navalany supporters! :ROFLMAO:
 
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