Prolintane - 5-10mg - Surprisingly good for an ex-OTC drug

[plumbus-nine]

So well the magical fairy brought me a sample of pure prolintane HCl - this is an alpha-PVP-related drug which was available OTC in some countries like Germany (under the name Katovit) in past decades (up to 2001). They took it off market in Germany because some incident where somebody crashed his car into a pharmacy, urging to sell him some more Katovit. All clear, eh?

Still, so far the only OTC drug which was good for some time was DXM and that's a very dirty one, it's also the only drug which causes full-on auditory hallucinations aka hearing voices in me, a very dysphoric experience. I'm really not jealous of these poor souls who get this without taking drugs beforehand. So my expectations were somewhat on the lower end, expecting something either weak or pretty jittery (I am somebody who doesn't tolerate modafinil because of its jitteryness, for example, and while amphetamine & co are good in low dosage, they're still a double edged sword and redosing turns m/ethylphendiate too into a tense, jittery mess.

But this one, it really surprised me. Now the third time of redosing 5-10mg's of sandy brown crystalline stuff (eyeballed; don't do this at home but with stims the risk is pretty low) within 16h, there is no jitteryness, no paranoia or tension, no relevant increase in pulse/blood pressure. Feels like I'd just woken up in my best times, I didn't wake up like this for a long time now and am awake for 25h now. Clears all and every brain fog, of which there was some before. Focus and concentration is spot-on, I find this one to be similar if not better than lisdexamphetamine and certainly better than m/ethyl/isopropylphenidate - out of these the IPPD was best imho but also pretty non-euphoric (I have ADD without H diagnosed but not so uber-sure about as I initially wanted to fake the tests to get scripts but then realized that I didn't have to). Duration seems to be somewhere between 3-6 hours, come-down from low dosages like these is very smooth, no crash or rebound to speak of. If I hadn't known its binding profile I'd have said that it'll be a triple releaser. Have to say that I was also one of the few(?) people who actually liked alpha-PVP but that one had a nasty crash which came with major headaches if redosed. Prolintane doesn't share this.

Have to say that today was also the first day of me supplementing testosterone (sodium valproate and maybe morphine/deschloroketamine wrecked my testes, T level was just above 200 which is the minimum amount for adult males. Libido down to zero, which doesn't bother me too much, I found it rather distracting before, but realize that I must have had a pretty high one.) Applied 50mg of T compounded in gel in the morning (now almost 22h ago) and while I didn't feel anything acutely, I'd say in retrospective and according to a friend's experience, that there was/is a definite mood lift in the sense of focused-and-calm, but it was also pretty subtle before prolintane. If anything then I'd say that low T levels cause a jittery, drained headspace and T seems to have some strong effects on the mind, with allegedly sleep being more refreshing, etc. (note the relation to neurosteroids which are GABA-PAMs).

In one of the following days I'll try the prolintane w/o T and report the differences. Might well be tomorrow, as I know my addictive personality. Better leave some days in-between.

Edit: 4h after the last redose, there is a slight crash, mainly minor irritability and nervosity, but would say this remains one of the stims with the best effects to price (emotionally, not as in cash) ratio

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[izo]

katovit was available in the 50ies i think, indication was to stimulate the elderly among other things. what route were you using? can you elaborate on the similarities with a-pvp? id expect it to be a little softer that the beta keto counterpart, is that so?

 

[plumbus-nine]

katovit was available in the 50ies i think, indication was to stimulate the elderly among other things. what route were you using? can you elaborate on the similarities with a-pvp? id expect it to be a little softer that the beta keto counterpart, is that so?

Route was intranasal, completely painless but also the low amounts used will have contributed to that. Onset is almost immediately as with most good stims, at least as in you won't accidentally overdose. In reality it takes some minutes but there's an immediate 'alert' sensation. A-pvp is too long ago to really elaborate in detail but I happened to really like it, if it just hadn't said jittery crash which prolintane doesn't share. I was really surprised by the activity of this low dosages, so potency-wise it's almost on par with pvp, but overall softer, yeah. Similarities I'd say were a very clear profile (minus crash), euphoria but not trippy at all, writing code on it went effortlessly, much more so than when sober. Time passes quickly and slowly at the same time, for once I was surprised by how quick time passed but it was more so because of the absence of usual distracted mind and negative thoughts than actual speediness, here amphetamine is the clear winner. I don't remember pvp as particularly speedy either but then again I only used low dosages of it (maybe max. 10mg, or 20mg, more and it became uncomfortable, one higher dose experiment didn't end up too good.) A clear plus with prolintane is the sustainability and I'd say maybe slightly longer duration.

Yeah, stimulation of the elderly, lol. Ever accelerating society, who doesn't conform just has to pop pills. The date 2001 I took out wikipedia, in that age I was too young and too naive to use drugs. But ever since I realized the similarities to pvp I was curious about this compound. Given that it must be exceedingly safe, at least for a stim (they tend not to be overly toxic acutely anyways but imagine somebody past a heart attack accidentally overdosing), when it has been used in the elderly. But in the 50ies pharmacology was a bit more reckless than today I guess.

Oh, addictive it is. I couldn't sleep and neither resist the urge to do a lil bit more katovit. Again, impressed by its cleanliness - seeing the length of my postings here there is a clear talkativeness but it feels like I'm absolutely in control and cognition's just flowing freely, in opposition to that robo-focus with e.g. methylphenidate. For 30+h w/o sleep I feel pretty refreshed, also for that I should now be in morphine withdrawal. I have diarrhea, slightly runny nose and body aches but that's it, no craving, no dysphoria. Nice.

 

[plumbus-nine]

This stuff is simply amazing. Like all the goods of amphetamine with just a little clammy hands as side effects. Solid appetite suppression but no nausea/cotton mouth, decent focus and clarity of mind w/o drifting off too far and NO jitteryness and that when I'm withdrawing from morphine. Of course it's not magic either but really weird that this stuff got pulled from the market. Shows what is relevant in a capitalistic world. They also wanted to approve isopropylphenidate for ADHD which imo is superior than both methyl- and ethylphenidate but somehow they didn't continue on it, maybe because it's for sure that it'll become restricted and thus restricted sales. Didn't stop the oxycodone people though.

I even slept some hours, pretty soon after the last re-dose yesterday / tonight and feel fully refreshed after just 5h. Still need to separate it from the other stuff I'm taking but so far it's amphetamine's superior lil brother. Needa find a source for this! They only have 4x 0.3g's or so in stock, then it's gone. Fuck, and I thought to like even insufflated bupropion recently - that's when you're low on dopamine and have shitty doctors. Need to do everything by yourself but no energy for it.

But it's pretty addictive too. If you can't moderate yourself on amphetamine then this will be similar. Just better addicted & productive/happy than a vegetable.

 

[Xorkoth]

I had prolintane once, or rather I bought it once and used it a number of times. I remember feeling like it was kinda rough with not enough payoff for the side effects. It's been a while though.

 

[plumbus-nine]

I had prolintane once, or rather I bought it once and used it a number of times. I remember feeling like it was kinda rough with not enough payoff for the side effects. It's been a while though.

Weird, maybe it's just that I didn't do any serious stims for more than a year now, just one recent binge night on bupropion which always felt like a medium-strength 3-MMC followed by a sad crash but it brought me relief from morphine withdrawal by depleting norepinephrine. How much did you take? I'm speaking of medicinal amounts like 5-15mg's and in this range it's certainly less forced and speedy than methyl, or let me alone ethylphenidate and isopropyl felt more locked down.

Unfortunately I can't acquire anything real for now but might get a script for Vyvanse. Didn't like that too much though. Importing RCs to here seems me too risky even when people say if anything happens, just offer a refresco, pay a lil and good is but once they stopped us in car at night and didn't want to let go unless searching my stuff for drugs even when I was accompanied by a lawyer friend who told them to fuck off.

Best stim so far was 4,4-dimethylaminorex though and I'm looking forward to some pemoline derivates.

 

[Xorkoth]

I can't remember my dosages, and I snorted it, too, which certainly can make jitteriness greater.

I didn't give 4,4-DMAR a try, after hearing reports or perhaps reading speculation or some study about toxicity. I have always wanted to try 4-MAR, it sounds like one of the greatest drugs out there, but I have never known anyone who has seen it, let alone come across it myself.

 

[plumbus-nine]

4,4'-dmar wasn't overly toxic, just a MAOI with an hour long comeup which made people think the pills were bunk and throw in some other releaser which then makes MAOI + two SNDRAs which isn't the best thing to do. I thought that they overdosed the sample pills too but recently someone reported here of a gram within 24h, so it seems really just to be an issue of mix-use. A shame, both for the tragic incidents as well as about the substance, it was imo superior to others as it didn't readily deplete 5-HT like most do and thus probably also less toxicity. I was on it for 8-9 days straight and didn't get too much of a crash - try that with MDMA.

If you ever get the chance to acquire some, I can only recommend it. It's pretty hard on its own, after 2/3 sample pill (afair they were 70mg) I slept through the following day but with 25mg everything was bliss.

But me too about 4-MAR, every single of the few reports sounds great. Pemoline might be the purely dopaminergic cousin of it, and there are some more potent derivates of it available from noot companies. Will report
Weird that nobody synthes 4-MAR when the route seems to be similar to meth just with norephedrine as starting material (if this person who tole me this was correct then PPA -> 4-MAR was even easier than meth). Once talked with some darknet chemist who attested to having made and failed with several attempts so maybe it's just that meth is easier to cook. Or is PPA more restricted than ephedrine?

 

[Skorpio]

4,4'-dmar wasn't overly toxic, just a MAOI with an hour long comeup which made people think the pills were bunk and throw in some other releaser which then makes MAOI + two SNDRAs which isn't the best thing to do. I thought that they overdosed the sample pills too but recently someone reported here of a gram within 24h, so it seems really just to be an issue of mix-use. A shame, both for the tragic incidents as well as about the substance, it was imo superior to others as it didn't readily deplete 5-HT like most do and thus probably also less toxicity. I was on it for 8-9 days straight and didn't get too much of a crash - try that with MDMA.

If you ever get the chance to acquire some, I can only recommend it. It's pretty hard on its own, after 2/3 sample pill (afair they were 70mg) I slept through the following day but with 25mg everything was bliss.

But me too about 4-MAR, every single of the few reports sounds great. Pemoline might be the purely dopaminergic cousin of it, and there are some more potent derivates of it available from noot companies. Will report
Weird that nobody synthes 4-MAR when the route seems to be similar to meth just with norephedrine as starting material (if this person who tole me this was correct then PPA -> 4-MAR was even easier than meth). Once talked with some darknet chemist who attested to having made and failed with several attempts so maybe it's just that meth is easier to cook. Or is PPA more restricted than ephedrine?

The route to 4-MAR uses cyanogen bromide to form the heterocycle. This gas is a cyanide group bound to a bromine and fairly toxic. Most reactions make it in situ, but it is still fairly hairy for an ad hoc chemist to play with.

I guess the danger could be mitigated by wearing a gas mask and huffing a bunch of amyl nitrates if you got exposed, so it is probably safer than something like a grignard, which is quite the fire hazard at scale (pyrophoric reagents and rxn done in ether, if moist air gets in you are quite fucked), but certainly way more dangerous than meth where the biggest risk is chlorine gas or solvent fires.

 

[Xorkoth]

But me too about 4-MAR, every single of the few reports sounds great. Pemoline might be the purely dopaminergic cousin of it, and there are some more potent derivates of it available from noot companies. Will report
Weird that nobody synthes 4-MAR when the route seems to be similar to meth just with norephedrine as starting material (if this person who tole me this was correct then PPA -> 4-MAR was even easier than meth). Once talked with some darknet chemist who attested to having made and failed with several attempts so maybe it's just that meth is easier to cook. Or is PPA more restricted than ephedrine?

Apparently from what I've heard it makes the rounds in Australia. never seen it or heard about it in the US though. I do hope I get a chance to sample it one day though. Sound absolutely lovely.

 

[negrogesic]

I've gone through a number of grams of prolintane. It stunk like MDPV but not nearly as enjoyable. Very adrenergic. Disproportionately severe comedown relative to the positive effects.

My only regret was not trying to smoke it, seemed smokable.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

Yes it vaped well from what I remember. Was quite similar to vaping some of the pyros: fairly strong rush followed by intense compulsion to redose, similar kind of taste/smell, melted/ran/vaped similarly too. Somebody could have told it me it was the next MDPV/pvp replacement and I probably would have believed it. Structurally I don't think it was too far off either?

Was also quite forgiving of overdose. I vaped through massive amounts over very short periods and other than becoming a paranoid tweaky mess I survived physically intact. So it also shared this property with pyros: A single dose of 'MDPV is like 5-10mg but people regularly vaped through ungodly amounts very quickly.

 

[plumbus-nine]

Yeah, would say it's pretty similar to low doses of MDPV but more forgiving. Yet similarly addictive, don't know, maybe you're right @negrogesic that prolintane is actually worse in terms of comedown but PV had a bad affinity to headaches. Cravings are similar to any stim. I didn't find it to be very pronounced on adrenaline and I'd choose it anytime over a phenidate but this might be just me.

Prolintane is the desbetaketon variant of MDPV, yeah. Weird that this was once available OTC but then again even heroin was OTC in past.