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we should refuse the covid vaccine to protest drug laws

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kushblowin

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everyone should refuse the covid vaccine to prove a point to the government. if they refuse to let us have clean, harmless, safe, controlled substances and let the streets and pharmacies flood with poison, death, garbage, chinese chemicals maybe we should say hey you guys clearly dont have our safety or best interest in hand and therefore a vaccine approved by you cannot be trusted.

we have the power to shut the world down but people would rather just take whatever crap they say is good and then die. there was a time weed was illegal and i had nausea and ptsd i didnt have the option to follow the laws and it ruined my life. now weed is 100% legal and i can get my medical card and pay 120 dollars for a gram of wax and the money just goes back to the people who ruined my life over the plant? so of course i have to break the law to get it and go to the black market which i will do 100 times over again to avoid giving one cent to the government and using their ""approved"" medical products (low quality cut overpriced trash).

i will never follow an unjust laws. if i want an opiate i will get one, if i want weed i will smoke it, and i will do anything to get my clean, safe, controlled drugs, which you have covered behind a veil of extra illegal steps thus you are attempting to make me addicted to fentanyl and kill me therefore i will not follow any of your laws for my own safety.
 
deficiT said:
Protesting authoritarian drug laws is all well and good, but refusing to do the vaccine would be risking people's safety. I for one don't want covid, as the damage it does to you can be permanent.
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well i dont want people hurt by fentanyl which is 10000000000x more deadly than covid
 
This would be too easily twisted by the drug war crusaders as 'dumbshit junkies are now contaminating other areas of society with their self destructive idiocy, surely if they were imprisoned or forcibly rehabilitated they would be better-controlled citizens, therefore we must redouble our efforts in fixing the opioid epidemic etc etc'. Although your point is important, especially to me as a libertarian, I cannot imagine it would be well received or even understood at all by mainstream media and whoever runs the show these days.
 
also i want to tell people this is serious. i think fentanyl hasnt even started yet and we've barely seen anything and this is in its infancy. we are about to get a FUCKING surge of the most dangerous sketchy shit possible. the chemicals will just get worse over time, the real stuff will just get banned more over time, and people will get more and more greedy finding more cheap, dangerous, analogues and getting worse and worse with mixing it.

i dont think anything will be safe anymore. i think even weed is at risk with things like synthetics and delta 8. this could potentially be worse than covid could ever dream of, this could reach like black plague levels with homeless and addicts just dropping uncontrollably like flies. shit is no joke. its only getting worse they can make 1000 different fent analogues, sketchier strong harder benzos, stronger/dirtier synthetic being cut into things. look at how bad its gotten between 1950 to now.

i truly believe that its either legalize all drugs now or start the most serious pandemic that has ever existed and will be truly unstoppable. look at how much overdoses have risen since 2016. this shit is horrible. look at how many celebrities died in a few years and how many people you know dying of fentanyl. its everyone. every addict will die. not even addict every user will die. eventually theres going to be shit that has a 99% chance of killing you and people are still going to go shoot it up anyways because they hear about people dying from it and theyre so far from nature that only carfent can get them high. things will have more fentanyl over time.

fentanyl can be cheaply produced in massive quantities. one chinese lab can probably make enough fentanyl to kill all of humanity.
 
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kushblowin said:
well i dont want people hurt by fentanyl which is 10000000000x more deadly than covid
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Fentanyl is also not fucking CONTAGIOUS!

We have to get to around 80% of the population vaccinated in order to reach a point where we only have isolated outbreaks to deal with, instead of it constantly circulating.
Every single time a virus is transmitted it has a chance to mutate. We're already seeing the delta variant which is vastly more transmissible than the original strain and now accounts for almost all new infections. If the spread continues unchecked it's only a fucking matter of time before we end up with a variant that 's not only more infectious, but several times more lethal and / or resistant to the available vaccines and then the world is back to square one.

If you get this disease bad it's a horrible way to go. My partner works in the health service in Brazil. Only last week they had a healthy 30 yr old man dying an agonizing death as the blood clotted inside his lungs and no matter how much oxygen was pushed into him he could no longer breathe.

I'm ALL for a state - regulated, legally produced, safe supply of drugs myself.
Fuck I've campaigned for it for years.
I survived more ODs than I care to remember every single one of which would have been preventable with a clean and measurable drug. I've had friends die that way.
Prohibition directly causes tenfold the damage it's supposed to prevent.

So believe me when I say I'm right behind you on that matter, BUT PLEASE STOP SPOUTING SUCH IRRESPONSIBLE NONSENSE.
 
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kushblowin said:
if they refuse to let us have clean, harmless, safe, controlled substances and let the streets and pharmacies flood with poison, death, garbage, chinese chemicals maybe we should say hey you guys clearly dont have our safety or best interest in hand and therefore a vaccine approved by you cannot be trusted.
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That cracked me up. Which prohibited substance is harmless and safe?
Not even weed is safe, there is the chance for psychosis in schizophrenics, and there's also lethargy
 
December Flower said:
That cracked me up. Which prohibited substance is harmless and safe?
Not even weed is safe, there is the chance for psychosis in schizophrenics, and there's also lethargy
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hey man ive taken pharma grade opiates for over 10 years and had no problem and never got addicted. i truly believe etizolam and codeine should be legal at least for me i cant help it if theres people out there that take a percocet and have a needle in their arm the next day those people were gonna kill themselves with anything and its not like everything like that will just be free grabs for everyone. alcohol is basically a benzo and i can buy gallons of whiskey any time i want.

just legalize the shit and people will get bored and stop.
 
kushblowin said:
hey man ive taken pharma grade opiates for over 10 years and had no problem and never got addicted. i truly believe etizolam and codeine should be legal at least for me i cant help it if theres people out there that take a percocet and have a needle in their arm the next day those people were gonna kill themselves with anything and its not like everything like that will just be free grabs for everyone. alcohol is basically a benzo and i can buy gallons of whiskey any time i want.

just legalize the shit and people will get bored and stop.
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But you yourself just stated that some people will take etizolam or codeine, and they will delve further and further into benzos/opioids respectively.
They are prescribed by doctors (at least here), and while they are relatively mild, they should not be taken without the supervision of a professional.
Because once you're down the rabbit hole of both benzos or opioids, you're just not going to get out, not permanently.

There's lots of people who can stop 10 years or more, but they will always miss the drug, ergo on a certain level the drug will still dominate them,
and many will still relapse. You sort of allow exactly that by making those 2 completely legal.
The danger of people becoming hooked for life, and having that danger in the hands of the general populus.
This won't end well. It all was legal at one point, even heroin.
Then it was discovered just how addictive this stuff is, and prohibited. It's not like the world didn't try to have this stuff available,
it's just that it didn't work out
 
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kushblowin said:
everyone should refuse the covid vaccine to prove a point to the government. if they refuse to let us have clean, harmless, safe, controlled substances and let the streets and pharmacies flood with poison, death, garbage, chinese chemicals maybe we should say hey you guys clearly dont have our safety or best interest in hand and therefore a vaccine approved by you cannot be trusted.

we have the power to shut the world down but people would rather just take whatever crap they say is good and then die. there was a time weed was illegal and i had nausea and ptsd i didnt have the option to follow the laws and it ruined my life. now weed is 100% legal and i can get my medical card and pay 120 dollars for a gram of wax and the money just goes back to the people who ruined my life over the plant? so of course i have to break the law to get it and go to the black market which i will do 100 times over again to avoid giving one cent to the government and using their ""approved"" medical products (low quality cut overpriced trash).

i will never follow an unjust laws. if i want an opiate i will get one, if i want weed i will smoke it, and i will do anything to get my clean, safe, controlled drugs, which you have covered behind a veil of extra illegal steps thus you are attempting to make me addicted to fentanyl and kill me therefore i will not follow any of your laws for my own safety.
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Noone made you do fentanyl but yourself.
Die and spread covid as a protest is stupid af
 
edit: damn phone
yeah, too late i got the stick. but i can be the double agent man, yes?

fight the power!
now we are in accord. :)
 
The reality is that a lot of people would die as a result of this. For one thing, the delta variant has double the previous mortality rate for the unvaccinated. Also, I would imagine that the proportion of people with significant health issues/risk factors is higher among drug users than the general population. Also, abusing certain substances runs down the immune system in and of itself, which is yet another reason why these protests would really drive up the infection rate and cause numerous hospitalizations, deaths, and cases of long tail coronavirus (e.g. chronic health problems from catching it).

As for whether this type of protest would even be effective, I'm somewhat skeptical, but I could be wrong. Honestly, I think it might even have the reverse effect, because it would perpetuate the people who use these substances are irresponsible" cultural conditioning from anti-drug advocates. So, it could really turn into fodder for the other side. The only way for it to "work" so to speak would be if the hospitals were overwhelmed and could no longer provide adequate medical care. Unfortunately, I could potentially see this happening if such a protest actually happened. It'd be an utter disaster.

Though, I suspect that it somehow would not end up working in the end. I don't know exactly how it would play out, but my intuition tells me that it'd fail and backfire horribly somehow. There's just a certain malicious quality to the whole spread coronavirus, get sick, and die for your cause side of this that's bound to really piss a lot of people off and for good reason. On occasion, even vaccinated people catch coronavirus and die. It's extremely rare for someone whose vaccinated to even catch it at all, let alone die.

However, it does happen from time to time. Plus, there also are people who have a condition that medically contraindicates the vaccine, and they could potentially die as a result of the vaccine refusal. When you put it all together and consider the fact that there's still somewhat of a stigma against "drug users", I think that the whole thing would lead to a lot of opposition to the whole movement very, very fast. It also would very much paint a sort of "crazy druggy" sort of image in people's minds, which is the last thing the legalization movement needs.

kushblowin said:
well i dont want people hurt by fentanyl which is 10000000000x more deadly than covid
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I agree. The reality is that people who get coronavirus usually do not die or even need to be hospitalized. Most are able to recover at home, and many have no symptoms at all. However, a Fentanyl overdose is serious 100% of the time. Also, if you take the very long view (e.g. years and decades), the death toll from Fentanyl will be higher. You do have a good point here honestly.

If I had to choose between being coughed on by someone with coronavirus and unknowingly taking Fentanyl, I would definitely choose the former that's for sure. Still, suggesting that people refuse the vaccine as a form of protest is essentially trying to save people by doing something that leads to the demise of others. I feel that this is profoundly unethical, and it's not something that I can get behind regardless of the cause.

However, if you were to completely ignore that side of it, I could see what you're suggesting as a viable option. Though, I really just don't think that's the way to go on this. Also, as I said, I doubt that it would even end up working in the end.
 
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That is fucking insane that would DO NOTHING except kill us at a higher rate than fentanyl is. I do not understand who besides yourself you would be Putting out ( most successful protest block access to some type of services in order to get attention). Just plain old actually protesting and going heavy on the non lethal weapons would get there attention. Bats to support our banners and shields made of wood disguised as signs will do nicely and bandanas( we need to keep both our identity and our coughing to ourselves) when our petrol bombs start hitting cop cars. NOW if you are willing to put your life at risk by denying yourself life saving vaccine to make a point then you will have no problem joining us and putting your body and freedom at risk for the same cause.
 
Dumpsterbunnie said:
That is fucking insane that would DO NOTHING except kill us at a higher rate than fentanyl is. I do not understand who besides yourself you would be Putting out ( most successful protest block access to some type of services in order to get attention). Just plain old actually protesting and going heavy on the non lethal weapons would get there attention. Bats to support our banners and shields made of wood disguised as signs will do nicely and bandanas( we need to keep both our identity and our coughing to ourselves) when our petrol bombs start hitting cop cars. NOW if you are willing to put your life at risk by denying yourself life saving vaccine to make a point then you will have no problem joining us and putting your body and freedom at risk for the same cause.
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Shit, dumpsterbunnie a whole revolutionary and shit
 
Or you know to not have spike proteins eating the prions in your brain that’s also a good reason. But to each their own.
 
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