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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Mr. Krinkle said:
i also believe, the hesitant, which i consider myself to be despite the contrary, should remain hesitant until further notice ⚠️
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I need to figure out a way to talk about that and not have others insulted. It really almost implies that if you got it too soon you did not think enough. (at least my wife is sensitive lol) And that is not true. We really do have to be patient with each other. No judgment. That is screwing people up.
 
JackARoe said:
all they did was protect themselves.
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ya make lots of great points and, yeah, thats what sold the vaccine to us... we would be "protected".
and knew then that if we did not get the vaccine we would not be protected.
nobody knew what life would be like post vaccine other than we may still be alive and functional as a race.
may not none of us make it.

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question... do the hesitant here also resist masks? just curious but dont anna fill bl with polls
 
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By taking “a” Covid jab or two, if you are then infected by breakthrough with any known or unknown variant, you will or at least theoretically, going forwards, could have a thousand times the viral load present in sinuses.
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Sorry, hold on. A thousand times what exactly? A thousand times the load you would have if you weren't vaccinated? There is no situation where you're worse off getting the virus vaccinated than getting it unvaccinated... So as far as the anti-vax argument goes, this is all meaningless.

There is still no reason not to get the jab.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Sorry, hold on. A thousand times what exactly? A thousand times the load you would have if you weren't vaccinated? There is no situation where you're worse off getting the virus vaccinated than getting it unvaccinated... So as far as the anti-vax argument goes, this is all meaningless.

There is still no reason not to get the jab.
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No, I don’t think so. Believe it or not, I’ve stepped away from bias here. I’m being careful with my wording, and trying to stick to the exact point.

I am going by Fauci’s own words, that the Vaccinated, if break through and catch the Delta variant, “will” he said again not might or could have, “a thousand times the viral load in their nasal pharynx”, to exact meaning anyway, if not exact word.

So I honestly feel the simple logic of my suggestion does stand true, and from a purely neutral and objective perspective, is really worth some thought I feel.

Because like I said, does that admitted or professed fact or discovery, not serve as proof, that for all we know and have reason to suspect regarding what is known now and not yet, variant wise, that having a breakthrough infection with a new variant, the Delta one certainly they are saying, so can we rule out any/all others?…

After vaccination, what will this effectively, practically mean is the question I am asking.

I’m not talking about the stats, figures, success rate etc. The concept of this phenomenon.


Because it appears to be the case. The result of the Covid Jab, causes the unlucky vaccinated Breakthrough case to have a thousand times the viral load in their spaying.

I’m asking the question. Not being just bias and anti anti. Because there have and are enough breakthrough cases already, and we can’t say how it will go in time too.

In this event, I’m feeling surely both the severity of the illness and the spreadability will likely be much higher.

So, just imagine, and honestly I’m not trying to fearmonger, I’m actually trying to think critically- if breakthroughs with new variants become more frequent, at that level of increased viral load.

Just for example. Because that would do no favours to those people, those around them, especially if jabbed and not immune enough to the Delta, and the Pandemic as a whole.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
There is no situation where you're worse off getting the virus vaccinated
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Except for my friends 93 year old mother who was mobile still drove and cooked dinner for my friend and his sister two nights before she died and two days after completely shutting down after her first shot of the vaccine. You can say she was worse off. But I will say this yes she was old, it was her time. But I say the same thing for my father in law that died at 93 of covid. (but his organs were shutting down from diabetes and was already only given a month to live. Covid shortened it by two weeks). So we can play interpretation however we want. Both instances I say were not really covid related yet they were in other ways.

Watching the news has healthy doses of propaganda. It is starting. Only Trump supporters, red states, nut jobs don't want to get the vaccine. (propaganda) Yet a lof of those chicken shit red state people talking bad about it secretly cut in line to gef vaccinated for themselves, not to save you. Rubio got it before some old people. Yet he talks like it does not exist.

Must have been interesting in the world wars .All the different views. But I understand the term propaganda and it is working it's way into the pandemic topic.
 
i just think they gave the "all clear" too soon but they had to so they could entice more ppl to be jabbed...i get it...

but operation warp speed needs to slow down a little


www.medpagetoday.com

CDC Alarmed: 74% of Cases in Cape Cod Cluster Were Among the Vaxxed

More detail about outbreak in vaccinated people that led to the change in masking, test guidance
www.medpagetoday.com www.medpagetoday.com


not looking too good today for the pro-vaxxer community :confused:
 
I am a facts guy that does believe in vaccines. Look at the documents through history. The black plague killed 52 million people because we did not know about antibiotics. So mankind does push ahead and I want to be part of it.

One last fact I would like demonstrated was based off Dr Gupta (too intense that dude) who said the antibodies in the test tube (or petri dish) deal with all the variants much better than a person that has had covid and has natural immunity. I am someone intelligent. Show me the mechanism. Because a lot of things are said that may not be fact without demonstration.
 
Of 469 cases linked to multiple summer events and large summer gatherings in a small town, 346 (74 % occurred in fully vaccinated people, and almost 80% of those cases were symptomatic, reported Catherine Brown, DVM, of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, and colleagues.


There were five hospitalizations, four among fully vaccinated people, and no deaths. Of 133 cases with sequence information available, 89% were from the Delta variant (B.1.617.2), the authors wrote in an early edition of the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.


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AutoTripper said:
The result of the Covid Jab, causes the unlucky vaccinated Breakthrough case to have a thousand times the viral load in their spaying.
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This is false.

You are misinterpreting what he said.

JackARoe said:
Except for
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Let's say ten people are hanging from a cliff. They have two options. They can boost themselves off the wall and try to jump into the water below or they can try to climb back up. The odds of hitting the water are one in a thousand. The odds of climbing to safety are one in ten. So five people try to climb up and none of them survive. Five people try to land in the water and (miraculously) one of them survives.

The exact situation then happens again. Assuming the odds are correct, do you jump or climb? You can't argue that it's safer to jump after the fact, simply because you survive. That's not how probability works. The probability remains the same. In the context of COVID, you are safer getting the jab.

Many people have fallen from airplanes and survived.

There are exceptions to every rule.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
that doesn't sound like you're better off vaccinated to me
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So you honestly believe you are more vulnerable to a virus if you've been vaccinated against it? (Despite the overwhelming majority of data indicating the complete opposite.)
 
birdup.snaildown said:
So you honestly believe you are more vulnerable to a virus if you've been vaccinated against it? (Despite the overwhelming majority of data indicating the complete opposite.)
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No i don't believe that

i just think you're probably just about as immune as i am
 
birdup.snaildown said:
This is false.

You are misinterpreting what he said.
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I tried to quote him for meaning. Damn, I see another correct I missed, was meant to say spharynx.

I don’t see how I misinterpreted it?

He said, those vaccinated, who break through and are infected with the Delta variant, “will” have a viral load about a thousand times higher in their nasal spharynx

I may be elaborating theoretically after that yes, but still with sound logic I think, regarding the same or a more pronounced enhancement with yet unemerged
variants (?).

He said it, I’ve not misreported exactly what he said. I just feel there are obvious implications to that which are very worthy of consideration.

This was I believe the main reason presented to firmly justify the need for the vaccinated to still wear face masks.
 
AutoTripper said:
He said, those vaccinated, who break through and are infected with the Delta variant, “will” have a viral load about a thousand times higher in their nasal spharynx
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A thousand times higher than WHOM? He didn't say vaccinated people will have a higher viral load than unvaccinated people which is what you're suggesting.
 
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