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Mr. Krinkle said:
it gets more interesting.....


www.cnn.com

Vaccination is not enough by itself to stop the spread of variants, study finds | CNN

Vaccination alone won't stop the rise of new variants and in fact could push the evolution of strains that evade their protection, researchers warned Friday.
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"Counterintuitively, when a relaxation of non-pharmaceutical interventions happened at a time when most individuals of the population have already been vaccinated, the probability of emergence of a resistant strain was greatly increased," they added.


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even cnn is starting to admit these shots are scheiss :poop:
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It gets worse. Now Fauci is saying, and just get this, that vaccinated individuals, with breakthrough infections, with the Delta variant, the viral load, IS (he didn’t say can, could be etc) about a thousands times higher than with the alpha…

Surely that alone, wrt the Delta Skelter at least, turns the argument expressed already that it’s still better to get Covid from a vaccinated person, right up on it’s head?
 
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6am-64-14m said:
Can I get a citation? lol
Man, talk about leavin a mf hangin....
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It’s here. His mouth, his words. Swipe to second screen. He says it, clear as day in no unmistakeable way.

I pretty much said exactly what he says in close words, as far as the clip runs…

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Edit. So does this basically mean, you take X Jab for X variant.

Like a good citizen.

Then along comes variant Y and it’s a thousand times more virulent, if you are unlucky to one of the quite a good few in truth, who are unfortunate enough to develop any Covid strain after jabs.???

If so, we have some big questions to ask I feel, honestly,
 
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Kamala Harris now, a real compassionate body language woman’s heartfelt plea…

“I do believe the act of gedding… (she’s so common muck she doesn’t know how “T” actually sounds, I know the American accent naturally lends itself away from the sharpness of T’s pronunciation, but where there is commonness there’s commonness, like when she says “Equidy”)….vaccinaded, is the very essence of what the Bible tells us, when it says love thy neighbour…”
 
Well, yeah. Kinda makes sense that the body is used to the virus (vaccinated) and maybe doesn't produce the antibodies another (unjabbed) would if infected but don't know if I fall into that.
Unless I am wrong, all the vaccine is supposed to do is pull t and b cells from stem cells so that if the body is attacked it already has the "army" ready instead of calling on all available soles to congregate.

And yes, we can spread it more or less the same as an unvaccinated (nothing new to me). The only ones who have to worry about any of it at this time are the unvaccinated.
I truly am not worried about it either way. Have caught a glimpse from without and cannot unsee what I have seen. No going back now. :)
Thes mfs can run around like children on a playground pointing fingers. They done lost me I'm over the fear. I'm going to do what I want and enjoy while I can. Just gotta go to vocational rehab for a couple years to brush up on some skills. lol
Best wishes

AutoTripper said:
(she’s so common muck she doesn’t know how “T” actually sounds, I know the American accent naturally lends itself away from the sharpness of T’s pronunciation, but where there is commonness there’s commonness, like when she says “Equidy”)
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Damn. I get that life is hell but is it always scathing like this?
 
6am-64-14m said:
Well, yeah. Kinda makes sense that the body is used to the virus (vaccinated) and maybe doesn't produce the antibodies another (unjabbed) would if infected but don't know if I fall into that.
Unless I am wrong, all the vaccine is supposed to do is pull t and b cells from stem cells so that if the body is attacked it already has the "army" ready instead of calling on all available soles to congregate.

And yes, we can spread it more or less the same as an unvaccinated (nothing new to me). The only ones who have to worry about any of it at this time are the unvaccinated.
I truly am not worried about it either way. Have caught a glimpse from without and cannot unsee what I have seen. No going back now. :)
Thes mfs can run around like children on a playground pointing fingers. They done lost me I'm over the fear. I'm going to do what I want and enjoy while I can. Just gotta go to vocational rehab for a couple years to brush up on some skills. lol
Best wishes
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Surely, surely the really crucial point here, is that by making the correct decision, and taking both jabs, if you then catch the Delta variant, which is indisputably happening and not incredibly improbable, then you will have a thousand times higher a viral load in your nasal pharynx.

So this, would to my very logical mind from this particular angle, strongly deter me from taking a vaccine, if I want to avoid serious serious illness and being a super super spreader.
 
Too late for me, pal.
If I spread I spread my loved ones will not (hopefully) be affected. Whoever dies from this (even me and mine if it comes) dies. What can stop or slow it down now?
Done with the fear spin on all this and running out of empathy.
 
6am-64-14m said:
Too late for me, pal.
If I spread I spread my loved ones will not (hopefully) be affected. Whoever dies from this (even me and mine if it comes) dies. What can stop or slow it down now?
Done with the fear spin on all this and running out of empathy.
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I’m not trying to incite fear, or feelings of regret, and I’m sure “I” won’t personally.

I’m just being as totally rational here on this specific point, as it appears.

Because this is huge. I’m at threat now, unjabbed, from jabbed with a thousand times higher viral load.

And if I too had been jabbed, then broke through, I’d maybe be potentially doomed in a way I very likely would not currently.

When I speak from first person, I’m speaking theoretically for society at large.

This isn’t just about me, obviously.
 
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6am-64-14m said:
Damn. I get that life is hell but is it always scathing like this?
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She gets my goat, what can I say. I don’t trust her, nor like her, and she strikes me like I say as unexpectedly common and unintellectual for a close to being world leader.

I’m allowed to take the mick a bit right? I take enough of it myself. 😉
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
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What you were saying the other day is all over the news. Vaccinated people can spread the delta variant. But they are still telling people to get vaccinated. I had recently read up on the polio one and I consider vaccines good science and a good faith effort at stopping something. But we can't get cocky. Greed ruins good faith efforts.

(sarcasm)
Remember, if you smoke marijuana you are supporting terrorists and killing our children
If you have an abortion you killed someone
if you don't get vaccinated (and now apparently even if you do) you are killing your family and others.

I know why it is a hot box issue. What we do to our bodies is our choice, woman, men, everyone. Like drug use, no one wants anyone telling us what we can or can't do. So if the fear is the hospitals are going to be overloaded then make a rule that you can't get service at a hospital without a vaccine card. Not try and force people to get a vaccine which now is under scrutiny as far as spreading.

Dr. Gupta owes me a conversation on a statement he made. He said in a test tube vaccine anti bodies are stronger than someone who has had covid and naturally got rid of it. I really want an explanation on that. I want to see how that is.

I almost went to get my vaccine, but now may wait for better incentives, like maybe Joe Biden will pay my mortgage. :D The newest one is getting $100 of state money. In the meantime I really see no people and have been staying in and wearing masks out, I am low risk. My wife also stays home and sees no one. I also think I had covid when it first came out. Although I am low risk let's face it, I bet some people never stopped gathering. Some people can not stay alone at all. And in the thick of it for sure congregated.

But this selling fear is nonsense. They f*cked themselves up being so confident in the vaccine without waiting for facts. I am willing to bet the best one is J&J, the one shot one that follows the old vaccine patterning. But even that they tweeked after there were some blood clots. No harm in waiting if you are a low risk group.

I would for sure be careful though people. Masks, the concept of not spreading respiratory droplets is the most logical thing for me believe it or not. Germs are spread through warm breath. Not sure why that one is even debated.
 
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JackARoe said:
What you were saying the other day is all over the news. Vaccinated people can spread the delta variant. But they are still telling people to get vaccinated. I had recentl read up on the polio one and I cosnider vaccines good science and a good faith effort at stopping something. But we can't get cocky. Greed ruins good faith efforts.

(sarcasm)
Remember, if you smoke marijuana you are supporting terrorists
If you have an abortion you killed someone
if you don't get vaccinated (and now apparently even if you do) you are killing your family and others.

I know why it is a hot box issue. What we do to our bodies is our choice, woman, men, everyone. Like drug use, no one wants anyone telling us what we can or can't do. So if the fear is the hospitals are going to be overloaded then make a rule that you can't get service at a hospital without a vaccine card. Not try and force people to get a vaccine which now is under scrutiny as far as spreading.

Dr. Gupta owes me a conversation on a statement he made. He said in a test tube vaccine anti bodies are stronger than someone who has had covid and naturally got rid of it. I really want an explanation on that. I want to see how that is.

I almost went to get my vaccine, but now may wait for better incentives, like maybe Joe Bien will pay my mortgage. :D The newest one is getting $100 of state money. In the meantime I really see no people and have been staying in and wearing masks out, I am low risk. My wife also stays home and sees no one. I also think I had covid when it first came out. Although I am low risk let's face it, I bet some people never stopped gathering. Some people can not stay alone at all. And in the thick of it for sure congregated.

But this selling fear is nonsense. They f*cked themselves up being so confident in the vaccine without waiting for facts. I am willing to bet the best one is J&J, the one shot one that follows the old vaccine patterning. But even that they tweeked after there were some blood clots. No harm in waiting if you are a low risk group.

I would for sure be careful though people. Masks, the concept of not spreading respiratory droplets is the most logical thing for me believe it or not. Germs are spread through warm breath. Not sure why that one is even debated.
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I’ve actually been a very rational and justified in my mind, germaphobic for years, being so defenceless against constant new incoming viruses & Co.

Yes, air transmission is a huge thing.

But so so underappreciated is the awareness, consciousness, constant mindfulness of basic hand hygiene.

Like, I’ve been OCD style long time, I’ll never brush my teeth and handle my toothbrush, and not immediately wash my hands after, not touching taps with toothbrush hand.

And it actually kind of surprised me to discover, that I believe, many people routinely brush their teeth without washing hands afterwards, not even running water.

But also, the way I’ve decades observed people touching all facial orifices, folding handkerchiefs inside out 50 times re re re using, all surface areas constantly exposed to large hand surface, sneezing, coughing into hands, eating licking fingers….


And then touching: trolley, cash machine, door handle, keys, table, items on supermarket shelf etc etc.

An awful lot of these pathogens make their way around via surface contact due to poor face/hand hygiene awareness and practice.
 
All this talk, yet the vast majority of people who are sick are unvaccinated. The current outbreak in Sydney Australia is delta. Only about 17% of the country is vaxxed, but less than 1% of the hospitalized cases in Sydney are vaxxed.

Clearly it is working.
 
^Having this conversation with my father I completely agree. The stats would show better percentages for most people which in itself shows it is working. But then there are other things we can not know and that is where we can't get cocky. Even the messaging. I try and not look for info randomly online as that can taint my opinion. I do read this thread though. I for sure have anti vax friends that email me videos on how "they are trying to make children infertile" and when I hear that I think of Carl Sagan. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. But that works both ways. So people trying to cover up how many severe covid cases there are, to me, are as bad as covering up side effects. We need all the data. It can only help. But no agenda with the data, just facts. The friend of my mother who lost sight in one eye for a month had a doctor that did document that.

Also I do not want to be a stat at this particular time. Just want all the info.

I get a lot of info out of this thread. And as you notice I am not on any side other than totally hesitant. I am someone that believes in vaccines but has not gotten a covid one.....yet
 
JackARoe said:
I am someone that believes in vaccines but has not gotten a covid one.....yet
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Haha, I’ve just done quick Maths and I estimate you are only about 75% away from my own position in that exact sense, speaking honestly, with that 25% being quite a margin still, and I don’t mean that judgmentally or implicitly, just as a measure on all points.

I was initially thinking about 66% but really, on paper it’s 75% minimum.
 
Hate to mention the obvious: Maybe we all have it right and need to figure how it all fits together.
Seeing the angles from all over the damn place is close to overload and more than likely designed that way.
Disappointment reigns that many will and have succumb/ed to this disease just because we cannot get along. In a year and a half, surly we could have worked something out if monetary gain wasn't at least one factor.
Hey, maybe it is just time for some to go. Doesn't seem like we can continue to infinity on our current trajectory.
We all on that ride now. Let's just hope for a decent outcome for those who survive and pick up the pieces from our train wreck of decisions. lol
Always
 
When we say obvious, to help me try and view it more clearly in my mind, as it was labelled as all this talk lol, but this talk, is surely due acknowledgment, the proven fact it would appear. As it seems we collectively know and can expect now:

By taking “a” Covid jab or two, if you are then infected by breakthrough with any known or unknown variant, you will or at least theoretically, going forwards, could have a thousand times the viral load present in sinuses.

Whatever stats say, imply, this has to be acknowledged as relevant and important information regarding individual decision making, as this is an unanticipated and unexpected potential serious risk to those who do accept.
 
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6am-64-14m said:
Hate to mention the obvious: Maybe we all have it right and need to figure how it all fits together.
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I have said the confusing thing is everyone is making sense. All arguments so it is hard to really know what to do. My issue is I notice that when I tell people I am waiting it almost implies that they did something wrong by getting it quicker. That is not true and am jealous of the people that already got it without another thought. We will see how much more effective. The rhetoric is what irritates me. Anyone who has judged another for not geting it and blaming them for spreading it just got a new science angle when they realized vaccinated people can still spead it. That screws up the self righteous lol. And i realized why that bothers me. A week after 911 in the NY/NJ area you were pressured to donate blood to help the victims. I can not donate blood as I am a carrier of thalassemia and have been told not to give blood and to always mention it if I do try again. Yet i was still called selfish by some idiot coworkers. But I went home and put positve vibes in the air and I bet they didn't. lol:D Most of that blood was not used and thrown out. Some people can be douches but hey, they gave blood and are heroes.

Honestly I was filling out the questionair yesterday when on the news was a story of money incentives from the state. So I held off again. That would irritate me too. The fact that if I got the vaccine and did not wait a week I would be out that $100 incentive.

But we need to keep it to science if we are going to use the word science. If vaccinate people can still spread it then all they did was protect themselves. So going back to normal life just because you were vaccinated is getting halted until we know more.

But my deep down belief is that the virus is going to get who it is going to get and that is part of nature. 1000 years ago it would have just been called "the sickness".
 
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JackARoe said:
What you were saying the other day is all over the news. Vaccinated people can spread the delta variant. But they are still telling people to get vaccinated. I had recently read up on the polio one and I consider vaccines good science and a good faith effort at stopping something. But we can't get cocky. Greed ruins good faith efforts.
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i know - bro i swear im nostradamus sometimes 🤯

but i agree with all of your posts too

i also believe, the hesitant, which i consider myself to be despite the contrary, should remain hesitant until further notice ⚠️
 
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