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Gabapentinoids The Lyrica (Pregabalin) Mega Thread v 2.0

Willl give them a ring, try to be honest amd try to explain y situation and how unbelieveabely potent this stuff is and hopefully they'll help. Hwat do you think? Or better do it myself? Tried it once with as doc who just wrote down "so and so much klonopine". End of story.
 
I believe my lyrica usage has gotten a little out of hand. I went through 60 300mg pills in about a month or so. I’m now working through another 60. I started with 600mg a day, but tolerance is starting to manifest itself.

I also just finished 100 somas in a month and am now concerned about withdrawal. I skipped my lyrica for a day and preceded to have terrible nightmares filled with physical pain. I woke feeling depressed and anxious. My muscles felt as if they were on fire and my nerves were fried.

Im currently on 600mg and still have what appears to be withdrawal symptoms so I believe the somas may be the main culprit. I’m about to take another 300mg. Down the rabbit hole we go. I got to get my act together before I return to school.
 
PalimmPalimm said:
What about talking to my contact person at my methadone clinic? Any chance they replace it with Clonazepam or Diaepam to collect in ever degreesing doses at my chemist (UK)?
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There is a lot of info on people tapering down from strong benzos. I notice only a few replies and I hate when someone is trying and is twisting in the wind. But also I am not experienced to give tapering info but if I needed it I know it exists. I went two several different methadone clinics. a few of them private. One was owned by two brothers. The one a business man and the other the clinic doctor. If I were honest with that guy he would for sure help me taper down and prescribe me something. The public or state clinics, not a chance.

I think you are determined palimm and you are not the only one to get in a jam. (We all get ourselves into jams all the time lol). If it were me I would go slow and easy, stay on a certain amount of meds without increasing and slowly go down. From what I have read if one goes very slow in a benzo taper it is healthier for mind and body. And it seems you got the poly drug use going on which pile up. But I can't see how any of this is a problem if you go slow.
 
higherconciousness said:
I believe my lyrica usage has gotten a little out of hand. I went through 60 300mg pills in about a month or so. I’m now working through another 60. I started with 600mg a day, but tolerance is starting to manifest itself.

I also just finished 100 somas in a month and am now concerned about withdrawal. I skipped my lyrica for a day and preceded to have terrible nightmares filled with physical pain. I woke feeling depressed and anxious. My muscles felt as if they were on fire and my nerves were fried.

Im currently on 600mg and still have what appears to be withdrawal symptoms so I believe the somas may be the main culprit. I’m about to take another 300mg. Down the rabbit hole we go. I got to get my act together before I return to school.
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I recommend that you try to stop. Lyrica is very addictive and withdrawal is horrible ... I managed to quit tramadol and oxycodone but I can't quit pregabalin
 
Nicocastillo7 said:
I recommend that you try to stop. Lyrica is very addictive and withdrawal is horrible ... I managed to quit tramadol and oxycodone but I can't quit pregabalin
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I was on fairly high doses of lyrica for a year or 2 and the withdrawal wasn’t as bad as others report it to be. I was a bit uncomfortable for a week or 2, but that was about it. That was 4 years ago and I notice the more I age the more I’m susceptible to withdrawals and rebound symptoms, so perhaps this may be salient factor.

I have 55 300mg pills left. I’m going to begin to reduce the frequency and amount I consume. I didn’t take any today and will try to keep my usage down to 1-2 times a week.
 
opiofr3k said:
@The Hypnotist
I have pregabalin from different brand (Milpharm) and on the box it says "hard capsule". Is this mean that capsule dissolve longer or what?
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No, that just means it is a hard capsule opposite to a soft capsule like the ones of Omega 3 and the like.
Not all hard capsules dissolve at the same rate, but I really wouldn't worry about that as I feel it is negligible.
 
if you use pregablin / lyrica as prescribed, is it less likely to have issues like withdrawel and addiction ?

Lets say for example they put me on 400mg per day and i take only as instructed
I have a medication review coming up and im not sure where to go ive been on 100mg a day for nearly 3 months now tho
 
Ojjjjj, thnaks for your post, Jack, gave me more hope and thanks so mucyh fio all of his! :love:, but I decided already before reading yout poste that it's over for now. I WILL stop from tomorrrow morning (last dose tonight for sleep), I wait till my body-related symptoms can't be tolerated anymore and will give me my first "mini"-dose then and so on tilll I hopefully, arrive at norhing. Willl ask my GP for something for sleep which should be temazepam, if they know the enemy, but
 
Just as said. Binge last night, tiny dose today, though it took a while till I really felt it. But well, stuck to it thus far. Now let's await the next days.
 
Your best bet is to find balance and stay at a certain level and lower slowly. One of the things that stuck with me is people that went too fast coming of benzos had issues with lingering side effects. Then others that went slow had it better, some even clained it was much easier to go very slow.

Stay well Palimm there is a lot of info here. Go searching through the threads. It can be done safely so don't hurt yourself.
 
As noted, clonazolam at 3mg, let alone 5mg, is actually a high dose, as clonazolam is very strong. A non-tolerant individual will be high from 0.25mg. Your best bet is to find the minimum dose that will keep you well, and stay on that dose, VERY strictly, for 2 weeks. If you slip up and take more, it will set you back even if it's just once. If you need to go a little higher and feel it a little to avoid slipping up, that would be the best thing. Clonazolam lasts a long time so if you can manage to dose just once a day, that would make it easier. If you can do once a day, take it later in the day so you can sleep.

Once you find a good maintenance dose, stick with it for a couple of weeks, and then drop by 10% (this is the number I see used most often). Drop 10% every 2 weeks. It will be a long taper because 10% becomes smaller and smaller the lower you go. You can't just drop by 10% of the original amount every week because the percentage of the new dose becomes smaller as the dose gets smaller. Eventually dropping by the same amount will result in 50% reductions, which is going to be hellish. So it would be like this (let's say 2mg is your starting maintenance dose):

Day 1: 2mg
Day 14: 1.8mg
Day 21: 1.62mg
Day 28: 1.458mg
etc

It will take a while but this is the way you can avoid experiencing withdrawals and eventually get off. Benzo/gabaergic withdrawals are very dangerous and it causes excitotoxicity, which essentially causes brain damage. A long, slow taper will result is less lingering side effects. Oftentimes people who go cold turkey or drop too fast will experience a long period of recovery even after getting past the acute withdrawals. Slow and steady wins the race when it comes to benzos.
 
Darksidesam said:
if you use pregablin / lyrica as prescribed, is it less likely to have issues like withdrawel and addiction ?

Lets say for example they put me on 400mg per day and i take only as instructed
I have a medication review coming up and im not sure where to go ive been on 100mg a day for nearly 3 months now tho
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I was prescribed 450mg a day for about a year or so. I then gradually tapered off within a few weeks and didn’t experience much in terms of severe withdrawals. I may have been slightly uncomfortable for 7-10 days, but nothing incapacitating or anything. After subjecting myself to benzo and opiate withdrawals countless times this felt like a walk in the park. It appears that some are more prone to pregabalin withdrawals than others so keep that in mind.
 
I have some questions about Lyrica. I used all kinds of shit, but stopped using all kinds of shit 2009. Lyrica became popular around here after that. I have never tried lyrica, not a single time. I still drink coffee, smoke tobacco and weed, drink beer and there are benzo seasons. I have not had a single benzo for like 2 weeks, regarding that, i am fine. I only used 10 tablets of 10mg temazepam in like 3 days, to help me with my anxiety and insomnia. Doc's prescription. Seems like i am heading to outpatient care in the near future. They should contact me any day now, ER psychiatrist told me so a couple of weeks ago. Maybe i could talk to the doctor there about lyrica option? I am not going to get this stuff from the streets, if i get it, it will be from a pharmacy.

1. Could i replace the occasional benzos with lyrica? (i know everyone is different, but generally speaking) I am not addicted to benzos, but i "cure" hangovers with them sometimes, i might drink if i feel better afterwards and make it to the store and have money. So the benzo is still in my system while i drink beer, not cool.

2. Lyrica combined with a paranormal amount of beer. Dangerous? I mean yeah, a paranormal amount of beer and chain smoking is dangerous in itself, but will it fuck me up big time?

3. Have i understood this correctly, Lyrica is a little bit like benzodiazepines but not so addictive and not so harmful to the user? Not looking for "kicks" of any kind, unless you count being able to sleep and no anxiety "kicks". I do.

I could google all of these questions, but there are real wizards here who know, and who offer help, regarding harm reduction. I trust them more than "trusted sources" of google.

(Edited due to an awful typo)
 
@Ghost fart i can only tell you from my experience cause i've just started taking pregabalin instead of benzo/tramadol and after one capsule 100mg i feel like being slightly drunk but controlling everything. It's not causing me a problems in daily life.
 
opiofr3k said:
@Ghost fart i can only tell you from my experience cause i've just started taking pregabalin instead of benzo/tramadol and after one capsule 100mg i feel like being slightly drunk but controlling everything. It's not causing me a problems in daily life.
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Okay. Thank you for the reply. I am pleased to read that you are doing well with pregabalin. I have to study this thread more. Tons of pages :)
 
Many thanks for your input. Well 3-5 mg would be maxima over the whole day on extreme days.

I meanwhile replaced it with Etizolam 3 times a day, 3 mg. I know, still a lot, but I'm going down from here.

EDIT: I also use some lyrica at night for sleep and sometimes for egneral relaxation. Have to be careful here not to swap addictions.
 
Ghost fart said:
I have some questions about Lyrica. I used all kinds of shit, but stopped using all kinds of shit 2009. Lyrica became popular around here after that. I have never tried lyrica, not a single time. I still drink coffee, smoke tobacco and weed, drink beer and there are benzo seasons. I have not had a single benzo for like 2 weeks, regarding that, i am fine. I only used 10 tablets of 10mg temazepam in like 3 days, to help me with my anxiety and insomnia. Doc's prescription. Seems like i am heading to outpatient care in the near future. They should contact me any day now, ER psychiatrist told me so a couple of weeks ago. Maybe i could talk to the doctor there about lyrica option? I am not going to get this stuff from the streets, if i get it, it will be from a pharmacy.

1. Could i replace the occasional benzos with lyrica? (i know everyone is different, but generally speaking) I am not addicted to benzos, but i "cure" hangovers with them sometimes, i might drink if i feel better afterwards and make it to the store and have money. So the benzo is still in my system while i drink beer, not cool.

2. Lyrica combined with a paranormal amount of beer. Dangerous? I mean yeah, a paranormal amount of beer and chain smoking is dangerous in itself, but will it fuck me up big time?

3. Have i understood this correctly, Lyrica is a little bit like benzodiazepines but not so addictive and not so harmful to the user? Not looking for "kicks" of any kind, unless you count being able to sleep and no anxiety "kicks". I do.

I could google all of these questions, but there are real wizards here who know, and who offer help, regarding harm reduction. I trust them more than "trusted sources" of google.

(Edited due to an awful typo)
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2. Not necessarily dangerous but a really bad mix as alcohol seems to block pregabalin effects for me. Not only that, even if they say pregabalin is not a gabaergic it is for me. I don't recover from pregabalin physical dependence until I stay free from alcohol and benzos for some weeks. The minimum intake of any of those brings back some of the stomach upset, smelly farts, running nose and depressive thinking which is the pregabalin withdrawal profile for me.
3. I would say that in terms of anxiety. If you are not looking for kicks and just use it occasionally in low doses to fight anxiety and insomnia. In any case, pregabalin is much inferior to benzos in the insomnia department, especially in low doses.
 
OK atm I seem just to be fucking up. I gave me Clonazolam IV 2 times this Day (really nice, kicks in fast, unlike alpra. Don't try at home!). And now, welll, I hope I can go back to my Etizolam as needed or should I just try to get help at my regular clinic do be tapered slowly with clonazepam I(don't know if they do)?
If you ask me Clonazolam has NOTHING in commmon with Clonazepam, though peoopple keep claiming that. It really is a much stronger and more sedating version of Xanax... I think I should try a proper Etizolam taper one last time and then open up to my worker and kindly ask for clonazolam for a smoooth taper. You see: I can atm have nothing that kicks me out of my job or would leave me on sick pay. One week sick pay = not affording rent for me.
No, even if you look all the data available, clonazolam is some super--cersion of alprazolam. ie slightly faster onset, similar pharmacokinetics and -dynamics and action. Its just more sedative due to the chlorine, as far as I understand, But I'm not a cooker or a chemist... I'm just a poor guy with as habit wanting to get off plus its metabolites seem to be super potemnt and long-lasting.

So tyhe plan: Try eti. Not a nice shot of eti in my morning coffee (which I really love, btw), but only when I really can't function otherwise. I have promethazine and low-dose pregabalin to sleep to.
If this shouold fail its no final: off to the doc.
 
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