Alcohol - The shittiest 'high' of all?

[The dropper]

It’s got it’s uses, I was a bit rubbish at drinking in my younger days but I’ve got much better at it as I’ve got older. I am a daily drinker (4-5 beers average) which has increased since moving to Australia. They like a drink out here, goes with every occasion even kids school functions which I found a bit odd initially but it’s grown on me.
it’s not & ever will be for me my DOC but it’s a staple, a bit like crisps, chocolate & biscuits & fags but I’ve managed to stay off them for the last 6 months or so. Happy about that

 

[moshforjesus]

I used to have a daft joke with my dad who drank too much - the day after he'd say to me "what was i like?" and id be like i was telling him off " You were in a terrible state...a TERRIBLE state.. " then I'd smile "You were in ALASKA".

But it did affect his health and he died young, miss him so much, I once fell off a chair laughing at his sense of humour.

Never use my account mate, but enjoy your posts greatly. Had to comment on this as it struck a wee sentimental nerve.

You're right, alcohol is the shitest high, but in a small subsection of the population it brings out their very best form - despite his struggles, it sounds like your old man fell into this category. Many of the men I held close to me growing up were the same, I miss them greatly. All the very best to you and yours x

 

[Ismene2]

Thanks mosh! I didnt touch drugs while my dad was alive - often wish i know then what i knew now - he was a depressive kind of guy - alcohol is totally the wrong drug. Really wish i couldve taken mushrooms with him - assuming i could have got over thw antidrug bias he always had. I started taking psychedelics just after he died.

 

[The dropper]

Never use my account mate, but enjoy your posts greatly. Had to comment on this as it struck a wee sentimental nerve.

You're right, alcohol is the shitest high, but in a small subsection of the population it brings out their very best form - despite his struggles, it sounds like your old man fell into this category. Many of the men I held close to me growing up were the same, I miss them greatly. All the very best to you and yours x

Yeah I like reading ismene2’s posts too, & the many threads he starts, funny fucker, good contributor to the site. Could do with more like him around

 

[JohnnyVodka]

I like alcohol. It really is the most habit-forming drug though IMO and you probably won't know the damage it's done to you until it's too late.

 

[nznity]

Not when you're rackin línes aswell.

 

[Blankenstein]

There is an old thread somewhere where quite a few people talked about stopping or quitting drinking alcohol when they started amps (as I did too). I would love to know how that works.

I was the opposite. Amphetamines (mainly dexies) but also meth was the first thing I became addicted to. Shit got too out of control and quit, but started daily drinking.

I did get back into them when I attempted uni again, but crashed and burned just by getting cooked for days on end.

now I’d rather opiates/benzos, but still enjoy beers with friends and do have the propensity to fall into habits of daily drinking. Particularly if I’m struggling with mental health.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I was the opposite. Amphetamines (mainly dexies) but also meth was the first thing I became addicted to. Shit got too out of control and quit, but started daily drinking.

I did get back into them when I attempted uni again, but crashed and burned just by getting cooked for days on end.

now I’d rather opiates/benzos, but still enjoy beers with friends and do have the propensity to fall into habits of daily drinking. Particularly if I’m struggling with mental health.

Although it doesn’t work that way for me, I can understand people developing heavy drinking habits to take the edge of a stimulant habit.

 

[Blankenstein]

Although it doesn’t work that way for me, I can understand people developing heavy drinking habits to take the edge of a stimulant habit.

I think it was more that amphetamines were turning me into a person I despised, but after I quit I still needed something to alter my state of mind and avoid my problems. Then discovering I could drink during the day and by myself was a game changer. Not a good game changer...

I think I’ve come to realise everything I do is avoidance. Whether it’s doing shit loads of drugs so my only goal
Is to quit using drugs or drinking so I don’t have to focus on achieving goals I want to achieve in life. Even my job I have now I realise i like because while it sucks being away from
Friends and family in a remote area. It means I can’t do anything about treading water in life and watching all my friends have children and excel at what they want to get from life.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think it was more that amphetamines were turning me into a person I despised, but after I quit I still needed something to alter my state of mind and avoid my problems. Then discovering I could drink during the day and by myself was a game changer. Not a good game changer...

I think I’ve come to realise everything I do is avoidance. Whether it’s doing shit loads of drugs so my only goal
Is to quit using drugs or drinking so I don’t have to focus on achieving goals I want to achieve in life. Even my job I have now I realise i like because while it sucks being away from
Friends and family in a remote area. It means I can’t do anything about treading water in life and watching all my friends have children and excel at what they want to get from life.

I spent years taking substances to blot out who I was and how I felt about myself. When I finally worked though all that shit and came out the other side it was like I rediscovered every drug all over again. I found the other pleasures in them beyond just the blotting out and forgetting yourself “benefits”. Except with booze. I never saw anything in it besides the getting blotto which is probably why it has no interest for me any more. I take drugs to know myself better now, not to avoid myself.

 

[Blankenstein]

I spent years taking substances to blot out who I was and how I felt about myself. When I finally worked though all that shit and came out the other side it was like I rediscovered every drug all over again. I found the other pleasures in them beyond just the blotting out and forgetting yourself “benefits”. Except with booze. I never saw anything in it besides the getting blotto which is probably why it has no interest for me any more. I take drugs to know myself better now, not to avoid myself.

Yeh I understand what you mean. I’m not quite there yet. I hope I get there soon. Or just no longer have the need for them. Psychedelics scare me because I don’t like who I am as a person. They have only ever brought up painful and confronting emotions, which probably would be helpful to confront, overcome and accept.

I haven’t been on blue light for a couple of weeks. Saw your latest posts in the recovery thread. Glad you seem to be feeling better. Great stuff man.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Alcohol, shittiest high? I honestly do not know. I have been an alcoholic for the most part of my life. Started when i was 15 or 16 or so. I am now 39... Tried all kinds of stuff, i was addicted to being high on basically anything. No heroin, no ketamine, no research chemicals, but i think all others... I have anxiety and depression. Sometimes my only two choices are pain or numbness. About 20 cans of beer offer me that numbness. And during that drinking process, i blast music from my headphones and i have conversations with people online. Sometimes social drinking also, but i am not very social to begin with...

And that music, beer and online conversations are so painless, that it is almost pleasant. When everything is not absolutely horrible, then everything is quite alright, even if it is still quite horrible. But not ABSOLUTELY horrible. Sure, it backfires. Hangover... worse depression... worse anxiety. But those almost painless moments make me more than willing to pay that price.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Alcohol is the best and the worst of times.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yeh I understand what you mean. I’m not quite there yet. I hope I get there soon. Or just no longer have the need for them. Psychedelics scare me because I don’t like who I am as a person. They have only ever brought up painful and confronting emotions, which probably would be helpful to confront, overcome and accept.

I haven’t been on blue light for a couple of weeks. Saw your latest posts in the recovery thread. Glad you seem to be feeling better. Great stuff man.

It sounds like you should only take psychedelics if you have someone close you can talk to about all the shit that comes up for y0u during the trip. Working through and making sense of all that grief/trauma/pain or whatever negative stuff you have is pretty hard going alone. Especially if you’ve never had any formal therapy to get you started on how to process ,memories and emotions. When I was in my 20s LSD terrified me. Now many decades later I love it and can work with it.

 

[Jabberwocky]

It sounds like you should only take psychedelics if you have someone close you can talk to about all the shit that comes up for y0u during the trip. Working through and making sense of all that grief/trauma/pain or whatever negative stuff you have is pretty hard going alone. Especially if you’ve never had any formal therapy to get you started on how to process ,memories and emotions. When I was in my 20s LSD terrified me. Now many decades later I love it and can work with it.

Maybe you are stronger than me. I am pretty sure that you are. I have some bad skeletons in my closets. Not violence, because mental, physical or spiritual violence is never acceptable but... during my serious substance abuse years, i have lied to people. Manipulated them for personal gain. I have said awful shit to people who i really love, on purpose. The purpose was to make them ignore me and not care/worry about me anymore.

Acid or shrooms now and i will end up in a really, really bad place for a while, and it is entirely my fault, my weakness, my failure in my attempt to be a human being. Beer helps. Right now. It helps. Tomorrow is a different thing. But nothing in this world is certain, nothing is for sure, unless it has already happened and it has been proven. Even the arrival of tomorrow is not sure at all.

 

[Blankenstein]

It sounds like you should only take psychedelics if you have someone close you can talk to about all the shit that comes up for y0u during the trip. Working through and making sense of all that grief/trauma/pain or whatever negative stuff you have is pretty hard going alone. Especially if you’ve never had any formal therapy to get you started on how to process ,memories and emotions. When I was in my 20s LSD terrified me. Now many decades later I love it and can work with it.

Yeh thanks for that I’ll take that onboard if I decide to give them a crack. Do you recommend mushrooms or acid to try and confront issues? Or DMT as it’s shorter lived it appeals to me.

I mean I know there isn’t really a quick fix for any of these problems/issues. I need to stop avoiding things and tackle life head on.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Maybe you are stronger than me. I am pretty sure that you are. I have some bad skeletons in my closets. Not violence, because mental, physical or spiritual violence is never acceptable but... during my serious substance abuse years, i have lied to people. Manipulated them for personal gain. I have said awful shit to people who i really love, on purpose. The purpose was to make them ignore me and not care/worry about me anymore.

Acid or shrooms now and i will end up in a really, really bad place for a while, and it is entirely my fault, my weakness, my failure in my attempt to be a human being. Beer helps. Right now. It helps. Tomorrow is a different thing. But nothing in this world is certain, nothing is for sure, unless it has already happened and it has been proven. Even the arrival of tomorrow is not sure at all.

Guilt for shit we did when we were young fiending drug addicts can’t define us for the rest of our lives. Makes amends to people you wronged where it is possible or practical and think good thoughts and apologies towards everyone you can’t reach. You are clearly not the same person now you were then. Ease up on yourself and look forward to being the opposite of whatever you were then as you move forward in life now. We get do-overs. As many as we need.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yeh thanks for that I’ll take that onboard if I decide to give them a crack. Do you recommend mushrooms or acid to try and confront issues? Or DMT as it’s shorter lived it appeals to me.

I mean I know there isn’t really a quick fix for any of these problems/issues. I need to stop avoiding things and tackle life head on.

I’d probably start my psychedelic career with a small dose of mushroom in the beautiful outdoors on a sunny spring day. I don’t think a 12 hour acid trip to attempt to resolve personal issues is a good idea for the uninitiated without a strong guiding figure to help you process stuff. Maybe trip a little on low doses for shits and giggles to get a feel for the stuff before using it to whack open your id or your unconscious.

 

[Blankenstein]

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Guilt for shit we did when we were young fiending drug addicts can’t define us for the rest of our lives. Makes amends to people you wronged where it is possible or practical and think good thoughts and apologies towards everyone you can’t reach. You are clearly not the same person now you were then. Ease up on yourself and look forward to being the opposite of whatever you were then as you move forward in life now. We get do-overs. As many as we need.

Thanks man I appreciate those words.

I do try and be compassionate towards people and try to be a better person. I’m far from perfect, but I like to think I’ve matured and made steps in the right direction even if my using is getting a bit higher.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Thanks man I appreciate those words.

I do try and be compassionate towards people and try to be a better person. I’m far from perfect, but I like to think I’ve matured and made steps in the right direction even if my using is getting a bit higher.

Cool. Give yourself credit, when that credit is justified. I think that now it is. But if your goal is perfection, you are destined to get disappointed. Even the best human, and there is exactly one of them out of 7 billion or so, is far from perfect.