Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[Xorkoth]

My friend just told me about how in his little tiny town he lives in, where the rednecks had been giving him dirty looks for wearing a mask this whole time, now they're all wearing masks. He was confused, until he asked, and someone told him that it's because they don't want to catch anything from the vaccinated people.

You can't make this stuff up!

 

[Deleted member 521610]

i always knew it was the wuhan lab cause im fucking smart and acutally do chemistry

Covid-19: UK intelligence helping US investigate Wuhan lab leak theory

Britain's intelligence agencies are helping the US investigate whether Covid-19 leaked from a Chinese laboratory, after the US ordered a review of the origins of the virus.

www.stuff.co.nz

On Friday night, it emerged that leading scientific journals including Nature Medicine declined to publish evidence showing the virus may have been engineered in a lab.

all the dumb cunts on the left will try be woke fucking idiots and still deny it and get bent over and take that commie cock rammed all the way up their ass

 

[Jabberwocky]

i always knew it was the wuhan lab cause im fucking smart and acutally do chemistry

excellent!! please explain it to us.

which of the proteins specifically do you think were engineered and why? how were we able to engineer a virus when we still don't have a full understanding of how the structures found in viral genomes, hairpins, loops, etc affect binding, replication, and such? its not just a linear thing you can inject into a host cell to get assembled directly.....

 

[Deleted member 521610]

excellent!! please explain it to us.

which of the proteins specifically do you think were engineered and why? how were we able to engineer a virus when we still don't have a full understanding of how the structures found in viral genomes, hairpins, loops, etc affect binding, replication, and such? its not just a linear thing you can inject into a host cell to get assembled directly.....

many viruses have already been engineered. Hell they can even make fully synthetic polio viruses

 

[Jabberwocky]

many viruses have already been engineered. Hell they can even make fully synthetic polio viruses

yes but you can tell straight away if humans have tinkered with something- this you can't, that's a massive technological feat. so since you claim to know about it, why don't you inform the rest of us exactly how it was done?

 

[Deleted member 521610]

yes but you can tell straight away if humans have tinkered with something- this you can't, that's a massive technological feat. so since you claim to know about it, why don't you inform the rest of us exactly how it was done?

i posted it all about it last year posting it again aint gonna change peoples mind because they listen to media and the fake news. But now its all been exposed all the corruption. How about people go read the reports already posted.

 

[Jabberwocky]

there are nearly 200 pages of this thread, that's not realistic. can you link to your post?

if you can't name one of the proteins that was changed by human engineering then i don't believe you, its not a big ask. fuck i'll even take a peptide.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

i am not the one supressing all the information nature journal is in massive shit now i reckon they should discredit nature journal totally now. How is science suppose to be accurate if the chinese can pay them off to supress any published research they want to

 

[Foreigner]

yes but you can tell straight away if humans have tinkered with something- this you can't, that's a massive technological feat. so since you claim to know about it, why don't you inform the rest of us exactly how it was done?

Why are you acting like there is expert consensus on this issue, when there's not?

You're aware that multiple governments have launched intelligence investigations into the human-origin claim, right?

The matter isn't settled, not politically or scientifically. There are scientists who suspect human tinkering. And now we have evidence that the journal Nature wasn't airing their papers in order to back the Chinese government. So the consensus that you're making it seem like exists, doesn't actually exist, and may actually be manufactured to protect people in power. Do you really believe the journals are above corruption?

Where is the natural reservoir for SARS-CoV-2 if it came from nature?

If it came from wet market animals, then why is the natural reservoir for those animals coming up empty for the virus?

Why was patient zero 1000km from the alleged bat source?

Why did China block the WHO from auditing their lab process? What are they hiding?

Why is science trusting the say-so of the Chinese government, rather than deferring to science?

What evidence do you have that the virus can't be a product of gain-of-function research, when some virologists have come out saying that it wouldn't be that hard to conceal this fact?

You're asking us to prove a negative: that it isn't natural. Yet you won't provide any proof of your positive statement that it is natural? What is your virology expertise? What associations do you work with that do BSL 4 research? What is your qualification in gain-of-function modifications to viruses? Are you a virologist or epidemiologist?

 

[Jabberwocky]

i am not the one supressing all the information nature journal is in massive shit now i reckon they should discredit nature journal totally now. How is science suppose to be accurate if the chinese can pay them off to supress any published research they want to

ignore the publications and go straight to the data. which is really easy to find if you look (i've provided references earlier in this thread)

You're aware that multiple governments have launched intelligence investigations into the human-origin claim, right?

yep and they've found nothing.

Do you really believe the journals are above corruption?

i haven't made this claim.

Where is the natural reservoir for SARS-CoV-2 if it came from nature?

If it came from wet market animals, then why is the natural reservoir for those animals coming up empty for the virus?

Why was patient zero 1000km from the alleged bat source?

the premises of these 3 questions are mutually exclusive. pick a narrative.

Why did China block the WHO from auditing their lab process? What are they hiding?

not being a chinese government official, i don't know

Why is science trusting the say-so of the Chinese government, rather than deferring to science?

it is not. i defer to the results of experiments that i analyse myself, and the multitudes of data available online. i don't know anyone active in this field who is getting their ideas from the chinese government rather than out of their own labs/their collaborators.

What evidence do you have that the virus can't be a product of gain-of-function research, when some virologists have come out saying that it wouldn't be that hard to conceal this fact?

i have analysed data personally where people tried to conceal human engineering. it was blatantly obvious. that was 5 years ago but i don't think technology has moved on sufficiently in that time for it to be possible now.

which virologists have claimed this? sources please.

You're asking us to prove a negative: that it isn't natural.

in my above post i literally asked @TripSitterNZ to name a single protein that was engineered by a human. that is not asking to prove a negative.

you must have some hard facts to back up your assertions, so which component of SARS-COV2 was engineered? even a likely candidate for not having arisen naturally would be a great start.

Yet you won't provide any proof of your positive statement that it is natural?

earlier in this thread, the page before this i believe, i explained why that can't happen. unless you happened to sequence the virome of every bat out of wuhan and surrounding areas from the appropriate time period?

What is your virology expertise? What associations do you work with that do BSL 4 research? What is your qualification in gain-of-function modifications to viruses? Are you a virologist or epidemiologist?

iirc you are an alternative medicine practitioner. i.e. you have no professional virology expertise. i work in viral genomics.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

no one knows where it came from. its probably never going to be known for certain at this point, because much like the human version, the bat version will have diverged from whichever strain was the one that made the jump and unlike in the human case we haven't been sequencing the fuck out of bats to see the progression.

do you have any idea how many labs are dicking about with viruses in some form or another? there are numerous in every university i've studied/worked at. there's probably several close to where you live. so, if a virus is first discovered in any major city, which is likely just because that's where the big hospitals tend to be, there will probably be some sort of virology lab studying viruses relevant to that locale nearby. not a coincidence.

a lot of dicking around....stop dicking around with shit motherfuckers and then maybe we can, ya know, just deal with what comes from nature instead of also dealing with what might leak out of a lab on top of that

 

[Jabberwocky]

a lot of dicking around....stop dicking around with shit motherfuckers and then maybe we can, ya know, just deal with what comes from nature instead of also dealing with what might leak out of a lab on top of that

i hear ya. unfortunately science brought you the atomic bomb, a finite chance of creating a hole in spacetime that expanded at the speed of light when the LHC went live, thalidomide, the challenger space shuttle, and generally encourages the sort of curiosity and tinkering that led to a teenager (david hahn) attempting to build a breeder reactor in his mum's shed and irradiating the entire neighbourhood.

tbh viruses weren't even in my top 10 of ways scientists might accidentally kill us, and you know i'm a scientist so am presenting this material in the most sympathetic light.

i have 2 cats and curiosity has killed neither, but i'm pretty sure human curiosity will doom us.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

And your point is that we are fucked as a species?

Bring it on...

 

[darvocet21]

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[Deleted member 521610]

The reason question is once everybody accepts it was the wuhan lab are we going to make china pay up or have we already taken to many loans from them to try survive this crazy pandemic.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Make China pay?
Not going to happen.

 

[btechlc]

Guys, All that top scientist have said is that they can not 100% rule out man made origins. Even the scientist that are calling for more probes still think a natural source is the most likely.

not saying that lab theory is not viable. But no top tier researcher or group has come to that conclusion yet.

For sure more work needs to be done. and china needs to be more up front about letting other investigate the early days of the outbreak.

but I have not formed a view one way or the other yet.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@btechlc

I would think even if a scientist did believe it came from a lab, they might not feel too comfortable announcing their suspicions until they have hard evidence...

china needs to be more up front

Agreed but they're not going to be up front about it.

We will never know.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

yea it's a natural source....that leaked out of a lab

China would be liable if they ever admitted anything....so they won't ever admit anything

 

[steewith2ees]

I am the epitome of weak sauce in every respect possible, in this instance my presence in this forum being a prime example. I have watched with incredulity as while the UK has finally been exposed as arguably having the worst response in the developed world to the outbreak, as despite the personal sacrifices made by front line NHS staff among others as well as the general efforts and spirit shown by the one thing we could be proud of - socialised medicine that while not as advanced as certain services in the US was at the very least based on the belief that health care is something even self sabotaging junk fucks like me can access. That it is being eroded by the back door is proof that regardless of political belief, UK politicians have to at the very least pretend to support the institution. The more the world changes however the more I realise how wrong I probably am - just because I believe that health care is a right most countries are not lucky enough to even have any access with the US being at least honest with respect to their approach, one that insists that poor people have no intrinsic value beyond what they can offer to the established.

To try and reach my point for once however, despite the UK's delayed and through incompetence, genocidal response the one thing we seemed to have going for us was at least a general acceptance of the veracity of the virus with most complying with the original lockdown and acceptance of the value of basic prophylactic behaviours such as masking up in public places and the acceptance of vaccines. The US however managed to turn a public health issue into a partisan argument from the get go, one that saw militia members turn up with $1000's worth of weapons and tactical gear in State Houses, in Michigan's case passing perhaps through communities that have not seen clean water in nearly a decade, to complain their personal freedoms were being infringed upon due to being asked to wear a mask, the same ilk that took private jets to DC on the 6th to moan about unfair their lives were following the removal of couple of statues or that Police should need an actual reason to execute people on the spot, excluding the officers working that particular day of course.

So, being as deluded as I am with regards to my own rationality I lumped the whole lab outbreak narrative as part of the 'blame China' for everything, forgetting of course how quickly the world, the CCP included, decided to scapegoat local traders through the wet market story. Of course, the general public are going to be the first people sacrificed as opposed to a state run lab that may or may not have been partially funded by more local interests, namely the international science community who's work in this area will be hard to justify in any fashion at this stage.

So, while I am not wedded to this notion I am no longer dismissing the possibility out of hand. I know nothing, but in my own defence for once those that do (or think they do) have the lowest bar ever to clear.