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Why Christianity is a false religion

JessFR said:
I was only talking about his own beliefs.

Not to compare Hitler to Trump, but I'm gonna compare Hitler to Trump...

Trump almost certainly isn't religious, he doesn't seem to read the Bible, he probably doesn't believe in God, but he uses religion because it's politically useful.

Hitler was similar, many politicians have been. It's often politically useful to pretend to be or make use of religion even if you aren't truly an adherent yourself.
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Trump was, is and forever will be the greatest President America had and that stepped foot into the White House.
 
I don't really want to get involved in all this, for obvious reasons, yet want to leave a remark or point something out that perhaps is worth pointing out. Let me know if you feel misrepresented by the way I quoted you here, @Atelier3.
Atelier3 said:
Separate from religion, it’s probably important for us to have some things in our lives that are not always amenable to reason. And I’m not talking about ex-wives or lovers here.
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Atelier3 said:
I sometimes think that it is part of human nature to yearn for that thing beyond our comprehension. It’s like we need something far bigger than what our own minds can handle.
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Although your attempts to rationalize (your) faith are more colorful than usual, I give you that; I'm afraid faith will not lead you beyond the domain of mind, but it will, as you wrote, bypass reason! If you want to be a person that can't be reasoned with, go ahead. What this looks like can be observed, right here. I think faith does the opposite, it's a cognitive trap, it will bind you, ..confine your life to the level of mind, despite all the verbiage of transcendence, absolute truth, divinity and stuff usually peddled in faith-based dogma. The mental condition of faith makes people behave mechanical, ..or stupid and ignorant if you like. It appears, one of the greatest hindrances for growth, or to react adaptive and intelligently to new challenges is the notion "I already know", which is what faith is.

So, if you want to explore or experience life beyond the intellectual level, or "beyond our comprehension" as you coined it, less fragmented, I recommend getting familiar with meditation. But reading about it won't do shit, only "doing" or letting it happen will. But this apparently requires some skillful effort, courage, to stand alone, to consider the possibility that you actually do not know (yet). Faith doesn't require any of this, how convenient. There are probably other means too, but I'll leave it at that, it's likely a lost cause writing this anyway. Greetings.
 
LordOfThisWorld said:
Trump was, is and forever will be the greatest President America had and that stepped foot into the White House.
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Roflmao, OK man.

I wouldn't say these kinds of absurd grandiose claims do any favors with comparing trump to dictators with their cults of personality.
 
bongdong said:
I don't really want to get involved in all this, for obvious reasons, yet want to leave a remark or point something out that perhaps is worth pointing out. Let me know if you feel misrepresented by the way I quoted you here, @Atelier3.




Although your attempts to rationalize (your) faith are more colorful than usual, I give you that; I'm afraid faith will not lead you beyond the domain of mind, but it will, as you wrote, bypass reason! If you want to be a person that can't be reasoned with, go ahead. What this looks like can be observed, right here. I think faith does the opposite, it's a cognitive trap, it will bind you, ..confine your life to the level of mind, despite all the verbiage of transcendence, absolute truth, divinity and stuff usually peddled in faith-based dogma. The mental condition of faith makes people behave mechanical, ..or stupid and ignorant if you like. It appears, one of the greatest hindrances for growth, or to react adaptive and intelligently to new challenges is the notion "I already know", which is what faith is.

So, if you want to explore or experience life beyond the intellectual level, or "beyond our comprehension" as you coined it, less fragmented, I recommend getting familiar with meditation. But reading about it won't do shit, only "doing" or letting it happen will. But this apparently requires some skillful effort, courage, to stand alone, to consider the possibility that you actually do not know (yet). Faith doesn't require any of this, how convenient. There are probably other means too, but I'll leave it at that, it's likely a lost cause writing this anyway. Greetings.
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Thanks @bongdong. That’s a thought provoking post. Although I think you may have misunderstood my position in that I don’t really have one. I don’t believe in God or participate in organised religion, though I was raised Catholic. I do believe there are possibly intelligences far beyond our comprehension out there somewhere, possibly observing us or even having set us in motion for some purpose.

Your recommendation on meditation is a good one. I think another way to productively access the non-rational is through the aesthetic and art.
 
LordOfThisWorld said:
Christianity is not a false religion, it is the only true religion, salvation through Christ.

For God so loved the Earth, that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever believeth in him shall have everlasting life and perish.
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For God so hated his son that he sent him to die instead of doing the right thing and stepping up to fill his own demand.

Would you step up as a father or would you do the cowards thing and send your child?

You have to sin to accept the so called sacrifice of Jesus by abdicating your own responsibility for your actions.

Are you ready to sin to be saved?

Regards
DL
 
LordOfThisWorld said:
Christianity is not a false religion, it is the only true religion, salvation through Christ.

For God so loved the Earth, that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever believeth in him shall have everlasting life and perish.
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On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

Regards
DL
 
SnafuInTheVoid said:
I suppose this is ultimately the same thing.
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Doubtful.

One has a god within and the other has an external god.

Supernatural and fantasy thinking is the dividing line between faith and reason.

Scriptures ask us to put away the things of children, but many adults never grow up.

If they do, their moral sense will tell them that the genocidal Christian god is an an immoral A hole.

Regards
DL
 
Atelier3 said:
I sometimes think that it is part of human nature to yearn for that thing beyond our comprehension. It’s like we need something far bigger than what our own minds can handle.
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Material dualism is quite easy to understand from a genetic POV.

It is a part of our DNA's personal safety system. Selfishness rules us.

Regards
DL
 
mal3volent said:
If someone comes up with something so specific, I think it's okay to ask for evidence. You tell me God sent Jesus to die for my sins and I have to believe in him or spend eternity in hell, I think the only reasonable response is "How do you know?"
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Do you see that whole scenario as moral and a thing we should try to take advantage of?

I have this following piece that Christians run from.

They run for moral reasons they do not want to face.

Please look above post 169 on the question of Jesus.

Regards
DL
 
SnafuInTheVoid said:
I'm OK with the statement Jesus MAY have died for me, but like mal said don't try to label that as a fact and feed it to me. Question everything.
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Even if Jesus died for you, taking advantage of his death would mean you have to sin by abdicating your responsibilities for your actions. Are you ready to sin to be saved?

Why do you need saving in the first place?

Regards
DL
 
Atelier3 said:
but live your life according to good Christian values just in case it turns out they were right along.
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Like honoring a genocidal god and his homophobic and misogynous religions?

Do you think those right values?

Regards
DL
 
JessFR said:
That's not the John 3:16 that I remember. :D
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That is a moral rendition of John so that a comparison can be made.

Let us see your morals buddy.

Given Yahweh's power, tell us, would you step up yourself or send your child to die?

Regards
DL
 
Seeing as I'm not in staff anymore.. I just gotta ask.

Cause see I get the feeling you don't so much argue with us as some kinda meta person.

That everyone other than you is kinda just some hybrid quasi Christian you can yell at year after year.

Like, in all seriousness. All honesty, no bullshit. What do you get out of this?

Cause I don't get it. I've never gotten it.

I just find-scanned all your posts this year. There's about, 200-300.

All but maybe 6 or so are here in p&s, the remaining are ceps and blogs, also about religion.

I just, I honestly do not get it. What's the point?

Like, if you said everything you already say, but occasionally went and talked about your raging meth habit or something. Then I'd get it.

This.. I don't get. What's the point?

I'm not mad at you or anything, and I certainly can't tell you to stop. But I just don't see what you could possibly get out of this?

I probably won't get an answer, and I probably won't understand it if I do, but after all these years, I feel like I gotta ask, at least once.

What's the point of ranting about religion year after year on a forum that's not even about religion? Like, I stay here and talk about non drug shit, but I'm still here for drug shit. I don't get why someone would stay if they aren't either getting or giving some drug related support or information at least from time to time.
 
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