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Advice How do you decide whether to have children or not?

I've spent time considering this with my doctors (Planned Parenthood, etc), my partners (both male and female) and my friends. It's a difficult decision and my feelings about it have evolved over time through education and experience.

What I've learned from professionals as well as from yahoos is that you always have a choice. Whether that choice is about having sex, having protected sex, having your tubes tied, having an abortion or adopting a child----you always have a choice.
 
I was supposed to be an aunty my sibling is struggling to conceive and they had a miscarriage ☹️ I really feel for those (and anyone reading) that don't have a choice ❤️
Me and my ex were going to start trying in 2013 I was just turning 22 always wanted a wee family but it wasn't the right time and now I'm nearly 30 it's an even worse idea.
 
Frankly speaking, I never thought about it, but perhaps it is high time to think, as I'm 31, and some of my friends already have children, but I feel I'm not ready for it.
 
I have always felt like I was born to be a mother. Ever since I was 17 years old I have been "clucky" for a baby, and have even been pregnant a few times. However rather than just flippantly follow through with those pregnancies simply because I have always wanted children, I was also very sensible and very seriously considered my circumstances at the times I accidentally fell pregnant. The first 2 times I found out I was pregnant, I had been drinking VERY very heavily and using a lot of different illicit substances, with very poor nutrition. So I opted to have the pregnancies terminated (both were at about 6 weeks, very early on). The 3rd pregnancy miscarried on its own.

Now I am 36 years old, in a stable, loving relationship, my partner and I are both 100% sober and clean of all substances, we are emotionally stable and financially responsible, and we have decided that we want to share each other's genetic material and make some children. Thus my partner and I are now actively trying for a baby :)
 
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There's definitely a lot of women that change their minds around the age of 40, but I disagree about throwing out methods of conception and letting "life decide".

Surely there's a middle ground?

Agreed.

There are way too many unwanted pregnancies as it is.

People should be using more contraception not less.

The feminist in me is also somewhat skeptical of any such arguments coming from a man. Which is by no means intended to suggest that all men are irresponsible and inclined to run out if they get someone pregnant, but those men are indeed out there and I'd argue believing in such a "just let what happens happen" attitude would mean a lot more if I knew it was coming from someone who's gonna actually have to have the babies in that scenario.
 
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I used to want children and be a father but now, why would I want to bring suffering into this world? No thanks.
 
Have you ever seen little kids at play? They bring joy into the world.
I love my little nieces and they are very cute but I know that it’s inevitable that they will face deep disappointment in their lifetimes and I would like to stop the cycle of birth , death, and rebirth as it’s sometimes referred to as.
 
The interesting thing about the surpopulation argument is that given the rate of technological change just about every measure of human progress is trending upwards all across the world. The vast majority of people are living longer healthier lives, growing in wealth and prosperity, becoming better educated, and living free from violence compared to any other point in recorded history.

There is a pervasive doom and gloom discourse about contemporary life, but on a flobap basis the data puts the lie to it. Not that there aren’t pockets of misery still and some serious questions about environmental sustainability.
 
There is a pervasive doom and gloom discourse about contemporary life, but on a flobap basis the data puts the lie to it.
There's no lie to it:
The interesting thing about the surpopulation argument is that given the rate of technological change just about every measure of human progress is trending upwards all across the world. The vast majority of people are living longer healthier lives, growing in wealth and prosperity, becoming better educated, and living free from violence compared to any other point in recorded history.
That's a good point, but i don't see the connection between healthiness and natality rate... It's ok, that's debate, but even though it could seems high level debate, that's low, that"s politics, or principles, or guilt... Nothing else...
 
Certainly, but you do agree that there is a surpopulation problem and that's a problem that is must be brought to everyone who ear it, just like "no to meat" or "no to made in china"? A slogan like "no more than 2 children, but 2 maximum ok? otherwise *cutcut*"...

I knoooow it might sound paradoxal, but i thiiink it's the way ;)
 
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Certainly, but you do agree that there is a surpopulation problem and that's a problem that is must be brought to everyone who ear it, just like "no to meat" or "no to made in china"? A slogan like "no more than 2 children, but 2 maximum ok? otherwise *cutcut*"...
I think there is a surpopulation problem only if you assume technology remains constant. Which it doesn’t. People have worried about overpopulation and resource depletion since Malthus in the late 1700s. Yet we keep finding new ways to do more with less.
 
I honestly suspect the "I don't want to bring children into this world" reason for not having kids is (mostly) an excuse. Having children is one of the most selfless things you can do life. It's easy to say it's unethical to have children, but are you living an ethical life?

Furthermore, the argument is grounded in geography. I don't live in an overpopulated country. If I lived in China, it might make sense to me. But, Australia?

I agree with @Atelier3. People are super depressed these days, despite everything getting better all the time.

So-called "over population" is a result of the human race flourishing.
 
I think there is a surpopulation problem only if you assume technology remains constant. Which it doesn’t. People have worried about overpopulation and resource depletion since Malthus in the late 1700s. Yet we keep finding new ways to do more with less.
SInce 1700, so not so far from the industrial revolution, one of the other problem that brings us here. I might think he was right, effectively we maybe were over-populating already, and maybe the climate send a message in reaction to this fact around that time, I'll come back to this synchonicity later...

Furthermore, the argument is grounded in geography. I don't live in an overpopulated country. If I lived in China, it might make sense to me. But, Australia?
Yeah, australia two! :) Check at the big city, and the country, not so much of a difference if we wanna lay on the argument of the technologic progress advanced earlier. It's not a country thing, it's a thing we all of us must accord on this. If the so-enviated-occidental isn't able to save the planet although s.he knows how? So where the fuck we at?
 
Me two, more widely i have faith in the nature, in the cosmos, and right now i think humanity, noble as it is, is not welcomed anymore on this planet regarding its actuals behaviours
 
Any Bluelighters out there that regret not having children? Are any of you glad you did (or didn't)? I would be interested in how you came to your decisions.
Really interesting discussion. It's such a personal decision - or potentially not a decision, as it's not just through 'carelessness' that people can find themselves starting a family.

We have two kids. I had them at ages 35 and 39. Husband and I met when I was 24 and we married at 27. We talked about having kids (later, when we were more ready, emotionally/psychologically) and agreed that this was the goal but that we would also be flexible and reassess it later. And that in the end, if one of us changed our minds later, we would still be committed to living together and being a partnership (without kids). What we didn't know, was that all that time we'd been using contraception, we probably didn't need to be, because when we got off the pill, no luck :( Tried to conceive for over 3 years, began to prepare for IVF... then got some acupuncture and ended up conceiving naturally, no IVF, phew (as that's a harder road!).

Before kids, husband and I used to go to gigs a lot, clubbing, festivals, etc. Very big and fun weekends were had, around our jobs and study commitments. Having babies (as the woman carrying them) meant no intoxicants for a long time. Breastfeeding meant no drugs! It was a big change, but one thing I noticed was that the body takes care of some of this stuff - and that the high from birthing and breastfeeding that you get naturally is pretty amazing. Oxytocyn!!!

I think the difference between 1 child and 2+ children is a big decision, too. It has absolutely meant more work and more delaying of our own desires for life, but neither of us regret having both 1 then 2 kids. We are, however, committed to no further children, and knowing that every milestone the smaller one reaches is the last time we have to do that, is nice. E.g. we need to toilet train the youngest and there will be a sweet sense of 'good riddance to nappies etc.' when that's done because... no more babies.

Being a parent has taught me a lot. Patience. Selflessness. Having to put off your own needs to meet needs of others. But not forever. Realising you still need to make time to look after yourself, somehow, creatively, so that you can be a good person and parent. You know, they say you should put on your own mask before helping others put on their mask. So, without the kids, I would have undoubtedly pursued more of my own goals, I would have done my research, published more papers, probably would have been a professor or close to it by now. But instead I've got these amazing little people in my life, and they've helped me learn some balance.

And as others have said, just the pure joy of small children can be intoxicating. Even if in the next moment they can be infuriating!

And finally, some folks here have said that they don't want to pass on their genes, that they have propensity for addiction or for health problems. But none of us have perfect genes. And you never really know what your children will inherit. We had kids knowing that I have a genetic connective tissue condition and it turns out both the kids have it too, but it is manageable (they won't be sports stars though!). We also didn't know any of this before the kids were born, but we now know that we have autism in the family and at least one of my kids is autistic. We are a neurodivergent family and we have no regrets about that. Again it's about how can the world accommodate different kinds of people with different bodies and different minds and differing abilities. And this is the kind of world we want, one with diversity of people, not just all the same with 'perfect' genetics. IMHO.
 
I came on here to mention how having kids motivates people to improve themselves, because I was just musing on it... but it looks like @Tronica beat me to it.

I'm going to ramble on a bit, anyway.

Everything is a give and take. I tend to think the give and the take are pretty similar most of the time. They tend to balance each other out; you take small risks and you get small rewards. Having kids is a big decision. It is extreme in both directions. You get so much, but the sacrifice is enormous.

I had my first kid at 35. We (my wife and I) have always wanted three. Initially, I wanted to do short gaps in between kids because it's less brutal that way. Now - three years later - I'm glad we waited. We will have our second when I'm 39 and our third when I'm well into my 40s. That's 12 years of kids under 4.

When you see people that have six kids, they're not crazy. Kids are fucking amazing. There's a lot of people around here that chase new and dangerous highs. No drug compares to your flesh and blood. Raising a human being is trippy AF.

I love everything my daughter does. Even when she's an asshole, she's hilarious to me. She can do no wrong... and I deal with human excrement at work, so nappies don't bother me nothing and that probably helps.

Telling people whether or not to have kids is tricky. People tend to focus on the negative because the assumption is that childless folks understand the joy that you get from being a parent. That and people generally focus on the negative. Just look at the news.

My honest opinion is: if you don't have kids, you skip a big chapter in life. But I've always known I was going to be a father, one way or the other. I didn't go out that much, either, so it was probably an easier transition for me... but, still, it was/is brutally fucking difficult.

TL;DR

Joy of Parenting > Sacrifice
(YMMV)
 
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