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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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CFC said:
There's a disconcerting lack of graphical data in this 'ere thread ;)

Here's the general situation worldwide of the % who've received at least one vaccine dose (as of 23rd April) for a variety of regions and countries. The US is doing really well; surprisingly the EU (considering it's huge manufacturing capacity and potential) isn't.

(NB: Gibraltar is confusingly over 100%, but that's because they also decided to offer the Pfizer vaccine to their entire cohort of non-resident workers and their families - folks who mostly live across the border in Spain)

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where is China's data and why have they not released any info about covid (from what it feels like to me) since their initial first outbreak?

Obviously MANY countries missing, but still curious.
 
Here's an update on second Pfizer shot:

Aound 6 pm (8 hours after injection) I got insanely tired, fell asleep, and then woke up around 9 pm and I was freezing and it was 77 in here. Kept alternating between hot/cold throughout the night. Tossed and turned and woke up every hour or so.

Muscle aches were actually way less than I thought, I figured when my immune system pulled away energy from repairing all my muscle fibers it was going to get bad.

Just have a slight headache now and lymph nodes slightly swollen and some mild local irration near injection site.

All in all...not bad.

I probably would not volunteer to take the booster shot yearly, though, if symptoms would be similar.
 
An article about whether or not you should be concerned if you don’t get side effects from the vaccine.

Why some people don’t experience vaccine side-effects, and why it’s not a problem​

Most vaccines have side-effects and COVID vaccines are no different. The public are being reassured that if they experience a sore arm where the needle went in, or tiredness, a headache, fever or nausea, these are merely signs that the immune system is working as it should. This has left some people wondering: if that’s the immune system doing what it’s supposed to do, does a lack of side-effects mean my immune system hasn’t been primed to protect me?

Rest assured, it means no such thing. The vaccine clinical trials conducted by Pfizershow that 50% of the participants did not experience significant side-effects during the trial, yet 90% of the participants developed immunity against the virus. And the advice on the Moderna vaccine says that common side-effects may be experienced by one in ten people, yet the vaccine protects 95% of those who take it.

This can be explained by considering the way the immune system develops protective immunity against viruses when triggered to do so by a vaccine. Most COVID vaccines, including several that have been authorised, use a viral protein found on the outer envelope of the coronavirus, known as the spike protein, to mimic a natural viral infection and initiate an immune response.

The branch of the immune response known as innate immunity responds almost immediately to the viral spike protein. It launches an attack against it by initiating inflammation, the cardinal signs of which are fever and pain. So it’s the innate immune response that causes the common side-effects that people experience a day or two after they’ve had the jab.


Long-lasting specific immunity, which is the ultimate goal of any vaccination, is achieved only by activating the second branch of the immune response: adaptive immunity. Adaptive immunity is triggered with the aid of the innate immune components and results in the generation of T cells and antibodies, which protect against infection on subsequent exposure to the virus.

Unlike innate immunity, adaptive immunity can’t initiate inflammation, though recent studies suggest that it can contribute to it significantly. In some people, this inflammatory response by both the innate and adaptive immune systems is exaggerated and manifests as a side-effect. In others, although it is working normally, it is not at levels that can cause noticeable side-effects. Either way, immunity against the virus is established.

What causes a different immune response?​

Scientists have noticed that people above the age of 65 are having fewer side-effects to the vaccine. This can be attributed to the gradual age-related decline in immune activity. Although this has can be related to lower antibody levels they still have immunity against the virus.

Sex can also play a role. In a US study, 79% of reports of side-effects were from women. This sex bias could have something to do with testosterone. Testosterone tends to dampen inflammation and hence the side-effects associated with it. Men have more testosterone than women, which might contribute to fewer reports of side-effects in men.

People suffering from chronic inflammatory diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory bowel disease and multiple sclerosis, who are on immunosuppressive drugs to control their symptoms, may experience fewer side-effects due to a dampened inflammatory response. Although the immune response is dampened, it does not mean that it is nonexistent. In a 2020 study that compared antibody levels in people who were on immunosuppressive drugs to those who were not, it was determined that people on immunosuppressive drugs produced lower levels of antibody but none of them were devoid of antiviral antibodies.

Vaccine side-effects shouldn’t be taken as a measure of the effectiveness of the vaccine. Despite the varied immune response to vaccines, most people achieve immunity against the coronavirus on vaccination, regardless of the presence, absence and severity of side-effects.
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Why some people don't experience vaccine side-effects, and why it's not a problem

There are many reasons your immune system might react differently to vaccines.
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roll the dice. this is probably rather important. you take your choice but make your choice with your eyes wide open.

In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls.

The team then replicated this process in the lab, exposing healthy endothelial cells (which line arteries) to the spike protein. They showed that the spike protein damaged the cells by binding ACE2. This binding disrupted ACE2’s molecular signaling to mitochondria (organelles that generate energy for cells), causing the mitochondria to become damaged and fragmented.

www.salk.edu

The novel coronavirus’ spike protein plays additional key role in illness - Salk Institute for Biological Studies

LA JOLLA—Scientists have known for a while that SARS-CoV-2’s distinctive “spike” proteins help the virus infect its host by latching on to healthy cells. Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a...
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I asked when I got my second shot about cost, and the vaccine itself is free, and if you have health insurance they will be billed for an administration fee.
Some places in the US will provide the vaccine to the uninsured, while others will not.
 
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Have not had it, may never have it unless i need it to leave the country
 
Xorkoth said:
It never occurred to me to be concerned that I didn't get side effects. I just figured my immune system is a boss.
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Interesting, I pretty much assumed the exact opposite. I figured since my immune system seems to dislike me greatly, I'd have really bad sad effects.
 
I used the side effects from second moderna shot as a reason to take kratom after four months off. Gotta re build up the willpower to make it that first month again dammit.
 
Deru said:
I figured since my immune system seems to dislike me greatly, I'd have really bad sad effects.
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Same here. I don't think my autoimmune system likes me either. It seems it's always trying to do something to do - I have funny red marks on my face, back pain, neck pain and of course some tinnitus. Not sure if it's autoimmune related or not, but at least my back and neck aren't so painful as they were a week ago. But I think my autoimmune system is super strong and taking the shot could do some major unforeseen damage. I've heard of a few horror stories, but then again, I bet the COVID19 would do even more damage. So, I guess the question is, what is a man supposed to do?
 
novaveritas said:
In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery wall
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Hahaha, with my history of SSHL and tinnitus/distortion episodes, I guess getting the jab is not such a great idea after all. If, as you say, this "pretend" virus can potentially do just as much damage as the real thing, then what is the point of being vaccinated at all?

The last thing I want to do is get the jab, and then end up with a lifelong disability related to my medical history. Obviously my autoimmune system is already doing damage to me - it's just that it's doing it slowly, some remission here and there, but the trend is clear from what I can see, and may not start and end with my ears but could go on and start doing stuff to my eyes, nose, etc, and by forcing this upon it, it could literally go apeshit and destroy my life.
 
Just had 1st dose of AstraZeneca yesterday and I feel like shit. My immune system is well sensitive - I gave up on annual flu - jabs a few years ago as they always left me feeling rough for a couple of days but this one was a mad man. I've been dithering and shivering all night like I've had a dirty / 'cotton' shot only beginning to pick up a bit over the last hour or so. The second pop is supposed to be even worse - I am such a fucking wuss its unreal.
 
I'm half vaccinated recently. I had the opportunity to get moderna originally in early February but turned it down because I had covid in November and was concerned about this being developed under enormous financial and societal pressure. I wanted to observe for awhile.

My immune system definitely recognized it. First shot my arm was INCREDIBLY sore and I was tired. Better than when I had covid.
 
To help with the soreness of arm:
Ice pack. Pharmacist told me this when asked if there was anything to be done for the ache and inability to sleep on side. First shot in left arm still is a little sore. Second dose was treated with ice pack for 20 mins before bed and have had 0 issues. Last three nights I have not noticed any ache/pain.
Worth a try.

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Moderna would be the correct spelling but just using this as an excuse to welcome you to bluelight. ;) Pretty slick, right? lol
Glad to have the contribution and hope to see a little more? Agreed that once the vaccine was released and production ramped up it was almost too easy to get in my opinion. Kinda wierd and unusual... everything was fast tracked and the whole thing has left me in wonder.
So give the ice pack a try for the sore arm cause it sure worked for me... or maybe my second dose was bunk? oh, lors
 
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My second shot was pretty rough, as I said. But it didn't last too long at all. The bad side effects were really only the night after I got it and a little bit the next day. Not even too bad the next day, just slightly under the weather basically. I'm glad I got it when I did, because when I was standing in line yesterday I was 3 or 4 feet or so away from this guy who wasn't wearing a mask..... and all of a sudden, he starts absolutely coughing his lungs up for a loooong time with this nasty rattling sounding cough. And the entire time, he didn't step back from people or fully cover his mouth.

It sounded so horrendous that the clerk actually said something to him about it, e.g. don't come in if you're having symptoms. Given that I got my second dose about a week ago and definitely responded to it, I'm probably pretty well protected by now. But walking around coughing like that with no mask and not even fully covering your mouth in the middle of a pandemic is an incredibly shitty thing to do. Honestly, I would've been pretty nervous about this incident if it weren't for my parents and I both having gotten both shots.

Though, I was initially planning to ditch the masks after the 14 days is up. However, since you can supposedly still get an asymptomatic/very mild case even with the vaccine, common sense says that I should probably wait a while on that after practically getting coughed on. Though, it surprises me that for some people, not losing your place in line at Burger King is more important than not nearly coughing on people during a pandemic. Between people doing things like that and people refusing to get the vaccine because they think there's a chip in it, looks like I'll keep wearing the mask until the numbers basically go down to zero.
 
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