Stimulants Adding Amphetamine to decaffeinated tea/coffee

[Frazzled1990]

Has anybody else tried this?

I recently came across some high quality Amphetamine Paste. Heated a plate up to 110 Celsius for 20 minutes, laid the paste out on the plate after removing plate from oven, then spent a good while de-clumping the paste until it was fully dry and was left with a fine white powder that smelt more alkaline than "chemically" if you know what I mean. Which I think is a good sign? I then did a small sample using the Marquis Regents test and sure enough, orange, red to brown within about 15-20 seconds. (Although it did go a pale green after several minutes).

I usually make up 100mg capsules (size 5s). But I notice that when I eat something or take all of my supplements before using the capsule, my body seems to have a hard time absorbing the Amphetamine, really dulling out the effects. It's the same if I eat something within the several hours during it's effects. It seems to cancel it out.

So anyway, I got the idea to empty one of my capsules into a cup of decaffeinated tea. I add the Amphetamine, the sugar and the tea bag, then add the water as soon as it has been boiled at 100c. Now if I understand correctly. Amphetamine can withstand heat up to 200c. So my thinking was that any remaining undesired cuts that still remained after the drying out process, most of them would be destroyed at 100c right? Leaving mostly just the Amphetamine in the tea. I also figured that it would be absorbed through my digestive tract easier as I'm not relying on a capsule to dissolve in a stomach full of food and supplements.

Sure enough, it worked. I feel the effects full on. Despite eating and taking supplements just 20 minutes prior to consuming the tea. In fact, it seems to work better, because I've eating and it's given my body the fuel needed for the Amphetamine to work with.

Just curious if anybody else has came across this method? Highly recommended if you're fortunate enough to hit some high grade paste.

Edit: If you're a first time user and decide to use this method, I wouldn't go beyond 50mgs first time round. In fact, I'd start with 20-30mgs. Always dry the paste out first and de clump it the best you can and have the Marquis testing kit on hand before using it to give you some idea of it's potency and to ensure that it does contain Amphetamine. As some dealers will just give you a combination of Caffeine/Ephedrine/Pseudoephedrine and this combination is far harder on your cardiovascular system than high grade Amphetamine paste without the same positive stimulation effects. Also be sure to take 400mgs of Chelated Magnesium before hand as well to help prevent Calcium induced blockages in your arteries which will greatly reduce the chance of heart attack or stroke and will smoothen out the stimulation effect, helping to prevent a hard crash several hours later.

 

[Frazzled1990]

Nobody?

 

[JessFR]

Well I've certainly taken dextroamphetamine (not meth) on many occasions. This was pharma grade though and I would only take maybe 10-20mg at a time at most.

It was nice. I have very positive experiences with it and it very much felt like a very strong coffee, only better, and cleaner.

I never literally mixed it with coffee or anything though. Never thought too. As I recall it has a pretty bitter taste. Like not the most bitter drug I've tasted but enough that I wouldn't wanna add too much to coffee. Even decaf.

Fraid that's all I can really contribute to this discussion. Interesting idea.

 

[Frazzled1990]

Well I've certainly taken dextroamphetamine (not meth) on many occasions. This was pharma grade though and I would only take maybe 10-20mg at a time at most.

It was nice. I have very positive experiences with it and it very much felt like a very strong coffee, only better, and cleaner.

I never literally mixed it with coffee or anything though. Never thought too. As I recall it has a pretty bitter taste. Like not the most bitter drug I've tasted but enough that I wouldn't wanna add too much to coffee. Even decaf.

Fraid that's all I can really contribute to this discussion. Interesting idea.

If it's pharma grade, then you wouldn't need to add it to Tea/Coffee/Boiling Water (unless you had absorption issues when taking it after eating something). The main idea here is to destroy most of the remaining adulterants left over after the drying out process from speed paste. 100c should be hot enough to eliminate most of them, while the Amphetamine remains intact. And of course, the absorption thing, if capsules don't work unless the stomach is already empty. Which isn't much good. Seeing as it suppresses the appetite and you need a decent level of carbs and protein in you for Amphetamine to have something to burn through.

Thanks for the response anyway though. This method obviously isn't as common as I thought.

 

[4meSM]

I don't think heating it to 100°C would destroy any adulterants. If you want a cleaner product just wash it with acetone.
As for putting it in your coffee/tea/drink, it should work but I've never had a reason to do it myself. I would usually just dissolve the desired amount of amphetamine sulphate in a small glass of water and drink it directly, gelcaps should work as well but they will delay the absorption a bit.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

That's kind of like adding pure ethanol to non-alcoholic beer (ie overkill)

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I used to love dumping a healthy dose of sulphate in my morning coffee. Works a treat...

 

[Joey]

Sounds pretty sweet to me. Never heard of anyone doing goth is, except truckers in “truckers coffee” with meth but that’s a little different I guess.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Depends a bit of how much a coffee aficionado you are. I imagine it could fuck with the taste of a nice cup of quality coffee. But since we are talking about de-caff coffee it’s probably unlikely the OP is worried about that.

 

[Skorpio]

Ive dissolved xrs in coffee before. Works pretty well.

Chelated Magnesium before hand as well to help prevent Calcium induced blockages in your arteries

I don't really understand this. Can you explain how it is supposed to work?

Also with regards to hearing to degrade cuts: I don't think there are great household ways to degrade cuts and not the main product. The way to get rid of a cut is to take advantage of differences in solubility or some other chemical property that leads to separation.

Amp paste will have some unreacted p2p usually, as well as impurities more specific to which reaction they used to convert it to amp.

Amphetamine sulfate is freely soluble in water; slightly soluble in alcohol; practically insoluble in ether. You could wash it with ether and then throw away the ether fraction to remove some stuff. Alternately you could dissolve it in water and then filter out anything insoluble.

 

[Frazzled1990]

I don't really understand this. Can you explain how it is supposed to work?

Magnesium acts as a natural CA2+ (voltage gated calcium) channel inhibitor. Basically the way the brains reward system works (on stimulants or not) is that you get what's called an "action potential". Or more professionally known as a "depolarized membrane potential". A voltage signal is sent into the Axon Terminal within the pre-synaptic neurons, this causes the CA2+ channels to open up and release positively charged Calcium Ions into the Axon Terminal. These Calcium Ions then bind to the pre-synaptic vesicles containing the neurotransmitters (Dopamine, Norepinephrine, Epinephrine, Serotonin...etc). Which then signals the vesicles to bind to the membrane of the pre-synaptic neuron, causing the neurotransmitters to be released from the storage vesicles and into the Synaptic Cleft (the brains reward path way). Here the neurotransmitters bind the corresponding receptors on the outer membrane of the post-synaptic neurons before they make their way back up through the reuptake channels.

Problem is, Calcium Ions are also released into the Synaptic Cleft, but not all of these Ions are re-uptaken, but instead are absorbed through the receptors and make their way down through the post-synaptic neurons and down into the arteries. This causes the arteries to constrict which increases the chances of blood clotting which can result in a Heart Attack or Stroke, depending on which arteries get blocked.

Magnesium (which should be taken in chelated/glycinate form as it has the highest bioavailability) partially blocks the CA2+ channels, meaning that Calcium Ions enter the Axon Terminal at a slower/regulated rate as opposed to cascading in too quickly. This slows downs the pre-synaptic vesicle action making the overall effect of stimulants "smoother" and without any sudden hard crash 5-6 hours later, but rather a pleasant smoothen off.

But most importantly, it slows down the amount of Calcium Ions making their way down into the arteries, helping to prevent them from over restricting, thus reducing the risk of Heart Attack or Stroke.

Now I'm not saying that Magnesium is completely fail safe. These conditions can still of course occur, but it does greatly reduce the chances of it happening. You'll have less chance of experiencing chest pain, palpitations, arrhythmias and so on.

Another supplement that i'd highly recommend with any stimulant (even just Caffeine) is L-Theanine. L-Theanine is a glutamate transporter antagonist, which allows GABA levels to naturally increase in their neurons. A far more effective and safer alternative to Benzo use in my personal opinion. L-Theanine doesn't have any sedative effects, but it can prevent anxiety and panic attacks from occurring, which decreases the odds of having a psychologically induced seizure.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Magnesium acts as a natural CA2+ (voltage gated calcium) channel inhibitor. Basically the way the brains reward system works (on stimulants or not) is that you get what's called an "action potential". Or more professionally known as a "depolarized membrane potential". A voltage signal is sent into the Axon Terminal within the pre-synaptic neurons, this causes the CA2+ channels to open up and release positively charged Calcium Ions into the Axon Terminal. These Calcium Ions then bind to the pre-synaptic vesicles containing the neurotransmitters (Dopamine, Norepinephrine, Epinephrine, Serotonin...etc). Which then signals the vesicles to bind to the membrane of the pre-synaptic neuron, causing the neurotransmitters to be released from the storage vesicles and into the Synaptic Cleft (the brains reward path way). Here the neurotransmitters bind the corresponding receptors on the outer membrane of the post-synaptic neurons before they make their way back up through the reuptake channels.

Problem is, Calcium Ions are also released into the Synaptic Cleft, but not all of these Ions are re-uptaken, but instead are absorbed through the receptors and make their way down through the post-synaptic neurons and down into the arteries. This causes the arteries to constrict which increases the chances of blood clotting which can result in a Heart Attack or Stroke, depending on which arteries get blocked.

Magnesium (which should be taken in chelated/glycinate form as it has the highest bioavailability) partially blocks the CA2+ channels, meaning that Calcium Ions enter the Axon Terminal at a slower/regulated rate as opposed to cascading in too quickly. This slows downs the pre-synaptic vesicle action making the overall effect of stimulants "smoother" and without any sudden hard crash 5-6 hours later, but rather a pleasant smoothen off.

But most importantly, it slows down the amount of Calcium Ions making their way down into the arteries, helping to prevent them from over restricting, thus reducing the risk of Heart Attack or Stroke.

Now I'm not saying that Magnesium is completely fail safe. These conditions can still of course occur, but it does greatly reduce the chances of it happening. You'll have less chance of experiencing chest pain, palpitations, arrhythmias and so on.

Another supplement that i'd highly recommend with any stimulant (even just Caffeine) is L-Theanine. L-Theanine is a glutamate transporter antagonist, which allows GABA levels to naturally increase in their neurons. A far more effective and safer alternative to Benzo use in my personal opinion. L-Theanine doesn't have any sedative effects, but it can prevent anxiety and panic attacks from occurring, which decreases the odds of having a psychologically induced seizure.

I can't even afford the drugs, never mind the supplements....

 

[Frazzled1990]

Depends a bit of how much a coffee aficionado you are. I imagine it could fuck with the taste of a nice cup of quality coffee. But since we are talking about de-caff coffee it’s probably unlikely the OP is worried about that.

If it's high quality Amphetamine Paste, then it doesn't have much of a taste anyway. Just a mild alkaline like taste, which you probably wouldn't even notice when combined with the acidity of most commonly consumed coffee brands. I barely notice the taste in my tea. It is there, but the taste is far from intolerable and doesn't make me gag or want to throw up or anything of the sort.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If it's high quality Amphetamine Paste, then it doesn't have much of a taste anyway. Just a mild alkaline like taste, which you probably wouldn't even notice when combined with the acidity of most commonly consumed coffee brands. I barely notice the taste in my tea. It is there, but the taste is far from intolerable and doesn't make me gag or want to throw up or anything of the sort.

I guess I was associating it with that strong chemical taste one gets in the back of the throat when injecting amphetamine sulfate.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

If it's high quality Amphetamine Paste, then it doesn't have much of a taste anyway. Just a mild alkaline like taste, which you probably wouldn't even notice when combined with the acidity of most commonly consumed coffee brands. I barely notice the taste in my tea. It is there, but the taste is far from intolerable and doesn't make me gag or want to throw up or anything of the sort.

For most people, it's never high quality amphetamine paste. In fact, that's an oxymoron as amphetamine sulphate should be a white dry powder, not a fuckin paste...

 

[Frazzled1990]

For most people, it's never high quality amphetamine paste. In fact, that's an oxymoron as amphetamine sulphate should be a white dry powder, not a fuckin paste...

Read my PM

Not all vendors paste their product to give you a fake weight. Some do it to add to the stealth and help disguise the smell throughout the postage process. Don't want the wrong dog getting it's sniffers on it if it's already dry.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Read my PM

Not all vendors paste their product to give you a fake weight. Some do it to add to the stealth and help disguise the smell throughout the postage process. Don't want the wrong dog getting it's sniffers on it if it's already dry.

Surely a dry salt has less smell than a wet one...

 

[Frazzled1990]

Surely a dry salt has less smell than a wet one...

Yes, but it's not about how strong the smell is, it's about what it smells of. Vendors add chemical scents to their products that dogs won't respond to. Even a weak whiff of pure Amphetamine Sulphate will be picked up by a trained dog. I'm not saying all vendors are legit when they wet their product to increase the overall weight. But that there are some genuine vendors who use this practice as well to add to the stealth and ensure your product arrives safely. The last thing you would want is for your package to be picked up by the one time during transit, with your name and address and everything on it. Got to keep the sniffer dogs at bay.

 

[Skorpio]

Magnesium acts as a natural CA2+ (voltage gated calcium) channel inhibitor. Basically the way the brains reward system works (on stimulants or not) is that you get what's called an "action potential". Or more professionally known as a "depolarized membrane potential". A voltage signal is sent into the Axon Terminal within the pre-synaptic neurons, this causes the CA2+ channels to open up and release positively charged Calcium Ions into the Axon Terminal. These Calcium Ions then bind to the pre-synaptic vesicles containing the neurotransmitters (Dopamine, Norepinephrine, Epinephrine, Serotonin...etc). Which then signals the vesicles to bind to the membrane of the pre-synaptic neuron, causing the neurotransmitters to be released from the storage vesicles and into the Synaptic Cleft (the brains reward path way). Here the neurotransmitters bind the corresponding receptors on the outer membrane of the post-synaptic neurons before they make their way back up through the reuptake channels.

Problem is, Calcium Ions are also released into the Synaptic Cleft, but not all of these Ions are re-uptaken, but instead are absorbed through the receptors and make their way down through the post-synaptic neurons and down into the arteries. This causes the arteries to constrict which increases the chances of blood clotting which can result in a Heart Attack or Stroke, depending on which arteries get blocked.

Magnesium (which should be taken in chelated/glycinate form as it has the highest bioavailability) partially blocks the CA2+ channels, meaning that Calcium Ions enter the Axon Terminal at a slower/regulated rate as opposed to cascading in too quickly. This slows downs the pre-synaptic vesicle action making the overall effect of stimulants "smoother" and without any sudden hard crash 5-6 hours later, but rather a pleasant smoothen off.

But most importantly, it slows down the amount of Calcium Ions making their way down into the arteries, helping to prevent them from over restricting, thus reducing the risk of Heart Attack or Stroke.

My confusion stemmed from incorrectly thinking that the Mg block was specific to NMDA channels. I did some reading and it looks like Mg will block N-type and L-type calcium channels (although I definately saw conflicting results with respect to the L-type channels over a few papers). L-type calcium channels are the primary vgcc in muscle.

I am confused about your description of calcium transport. Intracellular calcium is kept at an extremely low level relative to the extracellular space (10,000 fold difference). When a calcium channel opens, there is calcium influx not release. There are calcium pumps that remove calcium to maintain that gradient, but due to the high ratio of extra cellular calcium to intracellular calcium, I doubt that cells really influence extracellular calcium that much. Smooth muscle is innervated with NE neurons, which through activation of a1 adrenergic receptors increase cellular calcium through Gq signaling. Is that what you are referring to?

It looks like Mg probably also increases both prostacyclin and nitric oxide production, which will decrease vascular tone.

After doing some reading, I agree the magnitude of effects seen with high doses of magnesium are modest but real.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I used to love dumping a healthy dose of sulphate in my morning coffee. Works a treat...

Put amphetamine sulphate (I assume you mean actual amphetamine sulphate, not street "speed" which is like 90% manitol) takes so fucking bad?