Police Brutality Thread

[steewith2ees]

I assume that is his upcoming book he is busily working on. Life under the Radical Left: Cop Cancelled for Murdering a Suspect will be out just long enough to make the NYT best seller list as the result of bulk purchases by conservative 'think tanks' before it ends up on the shelf next to copies of Triggered and The Turner Diaries.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Things don’t look for Chauvin, if he’s set free there will be war forget the riots.

Nah, people or the general public, the media, and twatter have short memories, and they will just quickly forget and move onto the next fake outrage like they did with Adam 'lil homicide' Toledo.

 

[Phoenix_03]

That is his right, anyway it is best to never testify in your own trial.

I disagree. It’s only best if you’re going to potentially incriminate yourself or your lawyer knows the prosecution is going to destroy you on cross.

 

[mal3volent]

Just speaking for myself but if somebody accused me of murdering someone and I knew in my gut I did absolutely nothing wrong, I would be glued to the seat as long as I possibly could. I would FORCE them to listen to me and I would count on at least one of the jurors believing me.

Especially in a case where there's no chance of me being exonerated by dna evidence or something.

 

[Phoenix_03]

Just speaking for myself but if somebody accused me of murdering someone and I knew in my gut I did absolutely nothing wrong, I would be glued to the seat as long as I possibly could. I would FORCE them to listen to me and I would count on at least one of the jurors believing me.

Especially in a case where there's no chance of me being exonerated by dna evidence or something.

Same. Though with no proof to exonerate you, if the prosecution has enough circumstantial evidence, a jury is likely to convict. Which is scary.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Just speaking for myself but if somebody accused me of murdering someone and I knew in my gut I did absolutely nothing wrong, I would be glued to the seat as long as I possibly could. I would FORCE them to listen to me and I would count on at least one of the jurors believing me.

Especially in a case where there's no chance of me being exonerated by dna evidence or something.

Indeed.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Nelson is finally getting passionate. He is doing a pretty good job. I'm impressed with his closing thus far.

 

[mal3volent]

Nelson is finally getting passionate. He is doing a pretty good job. I'm impressed with his closing thus far.

really? I honestly thought it has been terrible. Not taking my opinion into consideration.

every time he shows video he is doing work for the prosecution.

all he's doing is going through a bunch of looney theories that the jury has already seen debunked. I'm not seeing him addressing the fundamental questions, like why were the officers going to such an extreme to restrain a suspect who presented no threat? Why did they not allow him to remain on his side, handcuffed, with four officers restraining surrounding him? Why was it NECESSARY to apply nearly Ten minutes of pressure to his neck?

etc etc.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

really? I honestly thought it has been terrible. Not taking my opinion into consideration.

every time he shows video he is doing work for the prosecution.

all he's doing is going through a bunch of looney theories that the jury has already seen debunked. I'm not seeing him addressing the fundamental questions, like why were the officers going to such an extreme to restrain a suspect who presented no threat? Why did they not allow him to remain on his side, handcuffed, with four officers restraining surrounding him? Why was it NECESSARY to apply nearly Ten minutes of pressure to his neck?

etc etc.

Yeah I have been revising my opinion . I guess it was just nice to see the defense getting a little passionate about it. But as it went on I saw that he was actually not doing a very good job. And his biggest mistake was making the Judge stop his closing so the jurors could have lunch. He made a serious mistake when he decided to make his cross so long. He lost his momentum and now he has to regain it and finish his closing. He got way too long winded. Big mistake.

 

[Zephyn]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sever...chauvin-defense-witness-in-george-floyd-trial xD

 

[Nurse Ratched]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sever...chauvin-defense-witness-in-george-floyd-trial xD

Wow. Guess they didn't like his testimony !!

 

[Xorkoth]

They should start by paying officers a shitload more than they do now.

Agreed. As well as much more involved pre-hire vetting via personality tests and other metrics, to do a better job of weeding out the people who want to use the position to exert force over others. ie, the "bad cops". The position should be made much less attractive to the kinds of cops we want, and much less attractive to the kinds of cops we don't want.

Part of the second part is to make sure that cops are held accountable for misconduct.

 

[Zephyn]

2 years ago today, the world lost one of the most special people I've ever met.

Parents: Man shot and killed by RPD had mental illness, brain injury, 'wanted the best for everybody' :: WRAL.com

www.wral.com

Not going to comment on the official narrative or my thoughts, he had some problems and was known for outbursts, his family has said currently it stands there is no DNA on the knife, the main issue here is the lack of body camera and the fact that all 8 shots were in his back, pointing to him fleeing.

Idk. I tried to make peace and say to myself, okay, he had once attacked his mother with a fire extinguisher, and once stabbed his little brother, so maybe he did this.

But what of the shots? Its just like the video of the pig who pulled a gun instead of a taser. Why was there no body cam?

I blame the cop who killed him regardless, but i also take the circumstances of his death (his frantically trying to find a place to stay the morning of his death) into account. That mixed with my own personal experience with cops all put close together makes it extremely hard not to scream "hang him!" About Chauvin, though, I know there are worse cops out there than this posterboy.

 

[Zephyn]

Agreed. As well as much more involved pre-hire vetting via personality tests and other metrics, to do a better job of weeding out the people who want to use the position to exert force over others. ie, the "bad cops". The position should be made much less attractive to the kinds of cops we want, and much less attractive to the kinds of cops we don't want.

Part of the second part is to make sure that cops are held accountable for misconduct.

Which this poster boy will set the precedent for.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yes in many ways that is true. Although there is already a lot of precedent for cops getting away with murder and abuse, in fact it's the norm (sometimes they get fired, but even that's not the norm. it's rare for them to face legal ramifications). But seeing as how this has the eyes of the whole world on it, it will certainly be a large influencing factor moving forward. If he is found not guilty, it will give other bad cops the feeling at least (if not the reality) that they will have carte blanche to abuse their power without real consequences.

 

[Zephyn]

Yes in many ways that is true. Although there is already a lot of precedent for cops getting away with murder and abuse, in fact it's the norm (sometimes they get fired, but even that's not the norm. it's rare for them to face legal ramifications). But seeing as how this has the eyes of the whole world on it, it will certainly be a large influencing factor moving forward. If he is found not guilty, it will give other bad cops the feeling at least (if not the reality) that they will have carte blanche to abuse their power without real consequences.

Hopefully moving forward this will make somewhat of a difference. I'm sure cops nationwide are on edge about using lethal force, which they should be. But how quickly they forget and how closely to this trial it happens, its all fishy.

Not to mention at one point I was convinced the cops who raped me and the ones who killed So played golf together, but I think that was just the meth.

 

[aemetha]

But as it went on I saw that he was actually not doing a very good job. And his biggest mistake was making the Judge stop his closing so the jurors could have lunch. He made a serious mistake when he decided to make his cross so long. He lost his momentum and now he has to regain it and finish his closing. He got way too long winded. Big mistake.

I think the defense counsel has actually done a reasonable job. I think he looks like he's doing an awful job because the defense case is actually relatively weak. The expert witnesses testimony skewed heavily toward the prosecution as did the eyewitness testimony. That really leaves the defense with very little to work with. The strategy he seems to be using is to fire a scattergun of doubt across a range of issues. He just has to get one juror to doubt the prosecutions case on one aspect, so he's trying to maximise the chance of that by suggesting as many possible areas to doubt.

Basically with such weak arguments to work with, he has to throw as many out as possible and hope that one of them resonates in particular with one of the juror's (which it might for any number of reasons).

 

[Zephyn]

I'm not convinced that they won't aquit him setting an even worse precedent that even when the murder IS recorded they won't face legal ramifications. And then they'll crack down on the protests, mixed with the right wing ones, an exact martial law or remove our right to assemble like they did in Greece.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

I think the defense counsel has actually done a reasonable job. I think he looks like he's doing an awful job because the defense case is actually relatively weak. The expert witnesses testimony skewed heavily toward the prosecution as did the eyewitness testimony. That really leaves the defense with very little to work with. The strategy he seems to be using is to fire a scattergun of doubt across a range of issues. He just has to get one juror to doubt the prosecutions case on one aspect, so he's trying to maximise the chance of that by suggesting as many possible areas to doubt.

Basically with such weak arguments to work with, he has to throw as many out as possible and hope that one of them resonates in particular with one of the juror's (which it might for any number of reasons).

Very true. When looked at his cross in that light he did do all he could.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

I'm not convinced that they won't aquit him setting an even worse precedent that even when the murder IS recorded they won't face legal ramifications. And then they'll crack down on the protests, mixed with the right wing ones, an exact martial law or remove our right to assemble like they did in Greece.

I was 50/50 at the start myself. I have revised my thinking as the prosecution has a compelling argument. They really did do a very good job in presenting the evidence. As aemetha said, the defense just couldn't throw too many facts out there to overcome the prosecutions evidence. And in this day and age, with tensions rising not only in this case but world affairs in general, I'm not too sure removing our right to assemble is necessarily a bad idea.