birdup.snaildown
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There are rich Black people in America too.
Police Brutality Thread
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cduggles
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Yes, there are. Of course.
Well, that was a POLICE TRAINED MOVE that has been used by MANY departments across the state. Matter of fact, SINCE Floyds deaths, it has been used another 250+ times and guess what, not a single person died. WATCH THE FULL VIDEO. NOT EDITED MEDIA CLIPS and it will show a VERY different picture.
Also, Notice how it started with "Knee on Neck"...and it went to "Knee on Neck and Back" and now its "Knee of back" hmmmmm. The EVIDENCE does not support your emotional case because you rushed to judgement over a few minute clip from someone's phone now knowing ANYTHING about the actual situation. The defense DESTROYED the prosecution witnesses' over and over because they are trying to paint a picture that just simply isn't true. WHY do you think they withheld releasing the entire video for so long? WHY do you think the DEFENSE had to find a half chewed pill in the back of the squad car that had Floyds DNA and Saliva on it THAT TESTED FOR FENTANYL.. meaning he was SOLD FENT.....and magically the prosecution didn't know even though its all on video and even more shocking the prosecution didn't DEMAND the PASSENGER who was the DRUG DEALER to testify in court???? WHAT?. LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE. Stop using emotion. This move Chauvin used is EXTREMELY common amongst Police, wrestlers in highschool, college etc... If his airway was so so chocked off, why was Floyd still talking on the ground. Grab your next right now to cut your air and see how many words you get out. Exactly.
Precisely, No bruising, No obvious obstructions, no trauma, NOTHING. It was a clear respiratory failure due to drugs. I have personally watched someone die on fent. Floyd only lasted a long as he did was because the mass about of adrenaline running in his body...but that quickly ended. This was far from murder.
birdup.snaildown
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It wouldn't be a normal opiate OD since Floyd is middle aged, overweight and riddled with other health problems (including two types of heart disease and two respiratory conditions) plus he had a bunch of other drugs in his system.
Again: if he didn't say "I can't breathe" repeatedly before being restrained, I'd have a different opinion... but, to me, it's not at all clear what was exactly happening with him at the time of his death. Unfortunately, he created this situation by behaving so erratically during this (and previous) arrests. That's probably part of the strategy. Act crazy and scared. Get yourself thrown on the ground. The more violent the reaction from the police, the better. You keep up the act in court and not only do you not get charged, but you get a pay out (and an apology) to boot. If saying that makes me a racist in your mind, so be it. The colour of his skin is irrelevant. I would feel exactly the same way if George Floyd was white.
It's impossible to say, of course. Maybe he was genuinely scared and it wasn't an act and he was having a panic attack. Watching the tape, his whinging sounds like manipulative bullshit to me. Doesn't mean he deserved to die. I'm just saying, I suspect he was intentionally provoking the officers and it backfired on him. People need to learn not to fuck with the police.
They should start by paying officers a shitload more than they do now.
Again: if he didn't say "I can't breathe" repeatedly before being restrained, I'd have a different opinion... but, to me, it's not at all clear what was exactly happening with him at the time of his death. Unfortunately, he created this situation by behaving so erratically during this (and previous) arrests. That's probably part of the strategy. Act crazy and scared. Get yourself thrown on the ground. The more violent the reaction from the police, the better. You keep up the act in court and not only do you not get charged, but you get a pay out (and an apology) to boot. If saying that makes me a racist in your mind, so be it. The colour of his skin is irrelevant. I would feel exactly the same way if George Floyd was white.
It's impossible to say, of course. Maybe he was genuinely scared and it wasn't an act and he was having a panic attack. Watching the tape, his whinging sounds like manipulative bullshit to me. Doesn't mean he deserved to die. I'm just saying, I suspect he was intentionally provoking the officers and it backfired on him. People need to learn not to fuck with the police.
Xorkoth said:
They should start by paying officers a shitload more than they do now.
cduggles
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They pull in six figures where I live because they abuse the heck out of the overtime system, and they rarely have beyond a high school education.
Recently, it was reported that their salaries had doubled due to COVID and making sure people weren’t in areas that are now closed to the public, etc.
Phoenix_03
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So you're saying Chauvin was completely justified kneeling on Floyd, somewhere, that it caused him to be unable to breathe. And because he took fentanyl that makes it okay too? I don't get what you're trying to say. My emotional reaction is based on watching a man die that wouldn't have if the police hadn't done what they did. They're wrong no matter how you justify it.
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You'll note I've gone very quiet since your post. And I owe you one i.e. it brought me to my senses yesterday. Not because I agree with what you said (about pushing too much the one way) but rather because I found myself wondering why the actual fuck I get involved with shit like this in the first place and expend so much time and energy on something that I have no control over and certainly cannot change. Not on this platform anyway. And, having put careful thought into this, not on any other platform such as this either for that matter. And the same with politics hence my silence over there too. Short of getting actively involved (and by that I don't mean joining some fucking activist group and burning the house down): walls and walls of text ain't going to change anything. And the sheer fucking irony: I have more reason than most here to be advocating for more lax policing. That said: it doesn't change the fact that I admire these brave men and woman and canines for who they are, what they do, what they stand for, and the dangers that they face on a daily basis (but you probably saw that statement in the post that I deleted yesterday) (although in spite of my deleting said post I stand by what I said both then and now on this score). As per my last statement yesterday (in said deleted post): life would be easier, but certainly not better, without them. Even for those that may find themselves at odds with them on occasion.There's a middle ground @dalpat077 I understand the frustrations since similar dynamics manifest itself in many topics, but I believe you feel the need to push too much the one way, understandable but unnecessaryit's somehow treading quite close to what you would accuse the other side of doing.
The above being said and after having gone through the posts since my (deleted) last post on this thread: I feel the need to comment on some few things posted (for reasons I'm not entirely sure about i.e. maybe to bring closure to this if only for myself) and then I am out. Ironic given that today is the day for closing arguments in this case!
Mind you and in just proof reading the above before hitting the "Post reply" button here: maybe there's a message in this (and not one I was intending to make while typing the above either). I've allowed this to all get to me and I've been angered and riled by it. And I'm not even a law enforcement officer. But I just move on from this and let go because I can. But imagine if I was indeed a law enforcement officer, about to get ready for my shift, and this thread was a proxy for the mainstream media and a proxy for the greater public sentiment (from the overall sentiment expressed here I'd say it's a pretty good representation of the greater public sentiment). Not to mention that somewhere in the back of my mind I know that public sentiment would rather that I'm the one that's taken down than some piece of shit that wouldn't think twice about getting one up (no pun intended) on me and then still get rewarded for their actions. I'll spare all the gory details of where this could lead at some point in time. Not to mention the mistakes that I could make in a given situation by not only having to consider the immediate situation before me but the other far reaching ramifications that any action on my part could have and this all in split seconds.
And by the way my friend @Buzz Lightbeer: most of the above not directed at you personally at all. I only mention this because sometimes members, erroneously, assume that long responses such as this, when begun with a quote from them, are directed at them. Very seldom is this the case (with me anyway i.e. usually only the first line or two is in direct response to that which has been quoted while the rest being directed at the particular thread in general).
dalpat077
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@birdup.snaildown.
Seems as though you and Sky Australia have the same Internet?
YouTube now shoving this stuff down my throat of course i.e. not something I went looking for.
As already noted: I question the leaning of the site. But I do take the figures and statistics as being correct. The CNN commentary should give some other people reason to pause though I'll tell you.
Seems as though you and Sky Australia have the same Internet?
YouTube now shoving this stuff down my throat of course i.e. not something I went looking for.As already noted: I question the leaning of the site. But I do take the figures and statistics as being correct. The CNN commentary should give some other people reason to pause though I'll tell you.
dalpat077
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Congratulations. That is a first for me here. As difficult as that may be to believe it’s a true story. Been waiting for it to happen though. Always wondered what my reaction would be. Oddly enough: my only reaction is that I’m glad it was you!
Nurse Ratched
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Closing arguments today and I hope we can discuss the LEGAL aspects of this trial after we hear the Judges instructions to the jury. I know we all have deep feelings about it. I know we get caught up in our own feelings but I hope everyone listens carefully to what the jury is being instructed to do. They have to follow a LEGAL instruction and although they all have their own personal feelings about this, their legal obligations have to outweigh those. I do not believe Chauvin received a good defense at all. I felt Nelson was a bit out of his league and I think Chauvin regretted his choice of lawyers. If he is found guilty I believe he has a case on appeal. Not that I condone what he did but he certainly didn't get the defense he had a right to.
I think the Prosecution proved their case. The were legally obligated to prove all 3 of the charges and did so with the testimony of their witnesses.
Does anyone else think the defense attorney was a bit inept? He seemed to talk in circles and was lacking in his cross examinations. No passion with a very flat affect.
I think the Prosecution proved their case. The were legally obligated to prove all 3 of the charges and did so with the testimony of their witnesses.
Does anyone else think the defense attorney was a bit inept? He seemed to talk in circles and was lacking in his cross examinations. No passion with a very flat affect.
Nurse Ratched
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Does anyone else think the jury has already made up their mind even though they have a legal obligation to deliberate ?
PriestTheyCalledHim
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No I am not happy someone is dead. It is common sense that if you are firing a gun, or have a gun or weapon when the police are called or you look as though you are holding a gun or weapon, are in a gang, a violent criminal, or have a criminal record, and do not surrender or put down the weapon or gun fast enough that you will get shot and killed.
PriestTheyCalledHim
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I agree with all of this. I have posted the full video.
Nurse Ratched
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Does anyone think the jury will hold Chauvins refusal to testify against him? Even though they are legally obligated not to. In other words they will go against jury instructions ( and only those 12 will know they did it ) and base their verdict on their personal feelings instead of the law.
PriestTheyCalledHim
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No. It is basic common knowledge that if you are on trial you do not testify.
Nurse Ratched
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Full on riots of an acquittal I have no doubt. Guilty verdict and the cops MAY become even more trigger happy but with NO CCTV or sell phones in sight.
Nurse Ratched
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I understand that most can't handle the cross and don't testify. The question is what do you think the jury is thinking. I think they are holding it against him. God help them if the Judge ever finds out that they did.
Acquittal: Riots in major cities
Hung Jury: Riots in major cities
Guilty: Riots in major cities
Riots are pretty much baked in at this point IMHO.
Hung Jury: Riots in major cities
Guilty: Riots in major cities
Riots are pretty much baked in at this point IMHO.
Nurse Ratched
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I am truly thankful that I live in the sticks. Closest major city is 200 miles away ( Detroit ). sad state of affairs when riot is probably the only outcome regardless of the verdict.