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Harm Reduction 2c-B analogs safe or not to try?

Buzz Lightbeer said:
Didn't like either BOHB or 2C-B-FLY honestly, they're very different to 2C-B, whole different feel as well.

They should be fairly safe though, especially 2C-B-FLY that has a semi long history.
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2CB FLY is allegedly stronger too, like he legal Ketamine analogues in Germany still.

Aaanyway yo Buzz while I’m here shaking up MORE kava bathing in a magical 350 trip afterglow after just 11 successful days abstinence, and, as always hope all is well with you brother.

Keep up the bright contributions I always enjoy reading your posts even if you dissing me hard and calling me an out right bullshitter LOL just kidding.;)
 
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Hahah did I? I gotta plead ignorance on this one. Hope all is well with you too man.

OP, 2C-B-FLY is certainly the more beloved compound of the two, there are quite a few that love the drug, not as much the case with BOHB & bk-2C-B I believe.
 
I really liked 2C-B-FLY alot when I took it last Tuesday with some O-PCE and had a really wonderful long trip, id say at least 7 hours were pretty strong and the other 5 when it trailed away were still enjoyable. It obvious draws comparisons to regular 2C-B but like Xorky mentioned it's less outwardly psychedelics and shares more quality with empathogens. I could take it as a substitute for Molly or aMT and be pretty satisfied I think. Regular 2C-B is much more visual and I find that one pretty damn euphoric as well. As others have said BOHB was a little bland for my tastes but still enjoyable was longer in duration than regular 2C-B, but also weaker visually. I've taken it couple times my best dose was on 60mgs BOHB intrarectal, alongside two pressed MDMA pills plugged simultaneously while I was in the midst of a DOC/BOD/4-AcO-DMT trip...so as you can see I was on quite the cocktail and that could have made the drug seem more well rounded. Have a couple doses of a new batch of 2C-B to try and few doses of 2C-B-FLY left, gonna hold off on taking those for a bit tho as I'm pretty stocked
 
SKL said:
To echo everyone above bk-2CB is trash. It came out during the Cathinone craze when "slapping a ketone on it" was the thing to do. 2CB-FLY is loved by many (Ann Shulgin has repeatedly called it her favorite drug) but is a much more serious drug than 2CB. I wouldn't call it a 2CB alternative. Beta-hydroxy-2CB must have come out since I was in that game but chemically it doesn't sound very promising.

When you do find 2C-D I'd give that a shot, but only when combined with a little amphetamine, which rounds out what is otherwise a bit of a dull compound and adds character to it. The other 2C-drugs as you may know first hand are rather unlike 2C-B, I would say more balls-to-the-wall psychedelic but less inherently pleasant. 2C-C is a weak, boring and not exactly pleasant mush though.
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My experience with 2C-C was like you described, weak and boring. Gentle but insignificant, maybe in a combo it would add but on its own worthless.
 
Shadow Cat said:
a substitute for Molly or aMT
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MDMA and aMT have no similarity's ime.

Your experience is def other then mine. aMT felt like mushroom's, Psilocybine. Not anything near a Serotonin releaser, like 'molly'.

The reason I still have a bag filled with aMT lying around for years.
 
I very much like 2cb-fly.

As far as safety goes, the 2c class of drugs doesn't have the same safety profile as mushrooms or lsd. That said, they are still reasonably safe compounds when used in the proper dosage ranges. It must be assumed that the 2cb analogs are similar, because they are research chemicals with very little in the way of human trials.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
MDMA and aMT have no similarity's ime.

Your experience is def other then mine. aMT felt like mushroom's, Psilocybine. Not anything near a Serotonin releaser, like 'molly'.

The reason I still have a bag filled with aMT lying around for years.
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aMT isn't very trippy for me in the sense Mushrooms are, one of the strongest psychs out there, its more like empathogen. Not as forceful as MDMA yes and more transparent in the body. But I do say I can take them in similar situations with the same purpose. No idea how you didn't gobble up that aMT it's one of my absolute favorite drugs perioid. Have maybe half gram left that im gonna try and hold off on touching until I get some moar...
 
Shadow Cat said:
aMT isn't very trippy for me in the sense Mushrooms are, one of the strongest psychs out there, its more like empathogen. Not as forceful as MDMA yes and more transparent in the body. But I do say I can take them in similar situations with the same purpose. No idea how you didn't gobble up that aMT it's one of my absolute favorite drugs perioid. Have maybe half gram left that im gonna try and hold off on touching until I get some moar...
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aMT is torture to me, like Psylocybine.

MDMA is pure pleasure, not what I want or will take, butt the difference is so pronounced.

My midway's are disso's like DMXE and Tryptamine's like 4-HO-MIPT.

These synergise nicely with my body. Since my epileptic seizure seroternergic's are off the list. Am I being clear enough?
 
never tried any 2c-b analogues other than bk-2cb which was nothing like it. i'd just stick with the classical stuff.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
aMT is torture to me, like Psylocybine.

MDMA is pure pleasure, not what I want or will take, butt the difference is so pronounced.

My midway's are disso's like DMXE and Tryptamine's like 4-HO-MIPT.

These synergise nicely with my body. Since my epileptic seizure seroternergic's are off the list. Am I being clear enough?
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even real 2cb MOA is poorly understood, but i wouldnt doubt it to be some sort of releaser like MDMA, due to my own subjective experiences. might want to avoid in general.
 
Xorkoth said:
I find it a good bit different, I've never had visuals from 2C-B-fly and it is much "softer" feeling, more of an empathogen than 2C-B, and less psychedelic. And yeah the duration is also much longer.
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So maybe, that specific cross substance potentiation is more of an attribute to 2c-B-FLY vs 2 CB, in that the fly needs pother substances more for that synergistic effect?

Just took it once, 10 mg with 100 ug acid, def enhanced the acid and vice versa.
 
Xorkoth said:
Would you like me to move this to the psychedelic forum? You will find more people with experience with the 2C-B analogues.
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if you think it fits better ok


Xorkoth said:
2C-B-fly is the best of the 2C-B analogues, it is a great drug. BOHB was alright but nothing special, not worth getting IMO. I believe it is the primary metabolite of bk-2C-B. bk-2C-B is not good, it's extremely inconsistent with wild variations in how well it affects people and even the same person in two different times dosing.
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Yes fly I know, but I had never heard of BK-2C-B and βOH-2C-B, I've been hearing this about this variation of effects from person to person, and something about inactive in contact with water🤔
 
emkee_reinvented said:
MDMA and aMT have no similarity's ime.

Your experience is def other then mine. aMT felt like mushroom's, Psilocybine. Not anything near a Serotonin releaser, like 'molly'.

The reason I still have a bag filled with aMT lying around for years.
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Wow, really? To me, AMT is very much like MDA (much more like MDA than MDMA), not trippy much at all, very much a serotonin releaser. It is, in fact, a triple releaser (serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine), it may be a 5-HT2a agonist too, but its primary mechanism is as a releasing agent. It's extremely rollyand it's really hard for me to imagine having a bad time on it. I've never had a single visual from it no matter how high I dosed.

Now, 5-MeO-AMT is not that way at all, that stuff is psychedelic and has a strong unpleasant bodyload, it's visual, trippy, etc. Very different from AMT.
 
SKL said:
To echo everyone above bk-2CB is trash. It came out during the Cathinone craze when "slapping a ketone on it" was the thing to do. 2CB-FLY is loved by many (Ann Shulgin has repeatedly called it her favorite drug) but is a much more serious drug than 2CB. I wouldn't call it a 2CB alternative. Beta-hydroxy-2CB must have come out since I was in that game but chemically it doesn't sound very promising.
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I hear that BK-2C-B it's not worth it and so. But why? How is the buzz? Visual, yes or no? Duration? Where I live it is difficult to appear 2c and these analogs appeared. So the interest in knowing a little more. How was your experience? Good and bad points?


SKL said:
When you do find 2C-D I'd give that a shot, but only when combined with a little amphetamine, which rounds out what is otherwise a bit of a dull compound and adds character to it. The other 2C-drugs as you may know first hand are rather unlike 2C-B, I would say more balls-to-the-wall psychedelic but less inherently pleasant. 2C-C is a weak, boring and not exactly pleasant mush though.
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Yes curious about 2c-D I hope to find one day 😉. My experience is just 2c-B, fly and 2c-E, and yes I noticed a big difference in them, but wanting to prove it all yet 😋
 
Shadow Cat said:
As others have said BOHB was a little bland for my tastes but still enjoyable was longer in duration than regular 2C-B, but also weaker visually
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enjoyable as a dose of mdma to socialize, or more like mda? Visually thought that doing combo with + something (maybe a little acid 🤷🏻‍♂️)would make the visuals appear being his or not , visually weak? Would you do it again or naaaa 😒

PS.Sorry my English, I hope you understand ...
 
Xorkoth said:
Wow, really? To me, AMT is very much like MDA (much more like MDA than MDMA), not trippy much at all, very much a serotonin releaser. It is, in fact, a triple releaser (serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine), it may be a 5-HT2a agonist too, but its primary mechanism is as a releasing agent. It's extremely rollyand it's really hard for me to imagine having a bad time on it. I've never had a single visual from it no matter how high I dosed.
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Agreed on the absence of visuals. Unlike Shroom's but the headspace was almost indistinguishable. The duration is way longer though.

Maybe I underdosed? I went up till 60 or 70 mg (maybe) and then gave up on aMT as sustitute for a rolly kinda experience. 6-APB had a lot of resemblence with MDA ime.

Now I read about dosages way higher like 100 mg or more.

What was your preferred dosage?
 
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izo said:
a good dose is around 200mg and it does not feel a lot like 2c-b maybe a bit more fuzzy...
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Again on this bk-2C-B I never dosed that high.

Maybe 80, max 100 mg, estimated guess, and I didn't feel a thing. Underdosed on this one, again?
 
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