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Social Justice White/Straight/Cis/Male Privilege

Idpol is on both the right and the left. The neo liberal establishment idpol is by far the most pervasive, and what you see daily on twitter, reddit, etc. The duplicity in the system has more merit to whine about than how many genders you are or any other contrived slight a typical idpoler complains about. Although I realize this is subjective, and just how I see it.
 
Most oppressed is the wrong wording. Maybe the intersection of cis / straight / male / right-wing / white = the most openly hated-on demographic in the Western world currently? Can we agree on that?

It just depends. In the media, absolutely, 100%, and the media has gone too far (I heard something on NPR the other day that made me cringe so hard, it was about "eliminating casual racism in your food choices", and went on to discuss how white people shouldn't post recipes online from any non-white cultures. Barf). But I would venture to say that Muslims/middle eastern people are the most hated on in western society today, or America at least. There is a LOT of hatred and fear (hatred because of fear, but that is almost always the source of hatred anyway) against Muslims, people think they're trying to destroy western culture. In some communities, people hate blacks the most. For example, my cousin is a huge racist, and he and his friends literally go around harrassing black people, and you can't have a conversation with him without him using the N word. For him, it's normalized, because his dad (my uncle) and all his friends he sees every day feel the same way. And he lives in one of the more liberal big cities. A lot of people in America also hate/fear Mexicans, and the primary thing they vote on is border control. They believe hordes of mexicans are coming over illegally to rape our women and steal our jobs. It's a lot of people that feel this way, and for those people, certainly white people are not hated on.
 
yeah, you know what? let's take all the white people and just treat them like minorities for hundreds of years. Let's punish them, systematically crossing generations. Let's make it the norm to be racist against white people. They need to be punished.

stupid shit, and this already happens, too

eye for an eye crap

and lil old white racist grandma getting scared when all the minorities all hate white people

trust me I got nothing handed to me as a white male, you're thinking of rich families
 
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There is certainly overreaching in regards to identity politics and PC culture. The cultural oppression arguments go a little too far for example.

But white/male/conservative people are not oppressed in any manner, beyond tone policing.

Trans people are some of the most persecuted minorities in the country. it is actively dangerous to be a trans person in America and their suicide and homicide rates are very very high.
 
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My first week at a British university, some guy walked past my dorm room and called me a dirty fucker.

Such fun. I'd totally forgotten about that until just now.
 
SnafuInTheVoid said:
I would like to point out that white privilege only really exists within white communities

I would like to point out that your avatar pic made my toddler laugh. She yelled, "It's a cat! Look at it's eyes! It's a funny cat!" and laughed for ages.
 
I would like to point out that white privilege only really exists within white communities
What do you mean by this exactly. I lived as a expatriate in several different Asian countries where life was pretty cruisy compared to that of the locals and almost all my transgressions of social norms politely overlooked. A Nigerian expat or an African-American expat would never have been treated with the same tolerance.
 
This is the dumbest thing I've read recently


Ill Oprah meme as much as my white ass wants.

jfc. This is a great example of going too far. As was the radio show I mentioned in an earlier post that I listened to, about "eliminating your casual racism in food choices", all about how it's racist for a white person to post a recipe of, say, middle eastern descent. I'm like what the fuck, food is for sharing, if I post a recipe for a great middle eastern dish I'm honoring and celebrating their food! I mean of course if I stole some middle eastern person's recipe and claimed it my own, then yeah, that's not cool. But the idea that we should police people based on race to only be able to use recipes from their own ethnic background is absurd and way over the line of what is acceptable.

The conversation about white privilege is important, and I believe in it, but a number of people are pushing it into ridiculous places that are just plain wrong-headed.
 
jfc. This is a great example of going too far. As was the radio show I mentioned in an earlier post that I listened to, about "eliminating your casual racism in food choices", all about how it's racist for a white person to post a recipe of, say, middle eastern descent. I'm like what the fuck, food is for sharing, if I post a recipe for a great middle eastern dish I'm honoring and celebrating their food! I mean of course if I stole some middle eastern person's recipe and claimed it my own, then yeah, that's not cool. But the idea that we should police people based on race to only be able to use recipes from their own ethnic background is absurd and way over the line of what is acceptable.

The conversation about white privilege is important, and I believe in it, but a number of people are pushing it into ridiculous places that are just plain wrong-headed.
Welcome to our neo liberal dystopia. The establishment got a taste of the power of manipulating via idpol, and they are likely going to use it as a weapon indefinitely imo
 
Yeah over time I have become increasingly... skeptical of the liberal media's spin on the racial discussion. So, NPR radio is my main news source, and also BBC, I find them to have, generally, fair reporting, without resorting to the same bullshit plaguing most other news outlets. But, I will say that almost every time I turn it on, I hear, before long, a prolonged discussion about race/disadvantaged peoples. Now, let me first (second?) say that I am 100% on board with the need to continue to make improvements. I'm by no means a person who thinks that there are no racial inequities anymore. But it just seems that the focus has become slightly askew from what is sensible. I support BLM, through speaking with black Americans and my own observations, I be;lieve there still exists some aspects of systemic racism in America. How could there not be? There has been a contingent in America trying to regain slavery, and, failing that, marginalize and demonize black people, for a long time. Things have gotten a lot better, but I DO still believe we have some progress to be made.

But, I do not think the extremity of identity politics is a good or healthy thing. My example of "casual racism in food choices" is a good example. That was on NPR, my main news source. It made me sad. They were trying to suggest it was cultural appropriation for a white person to post a middle eastern recipe. I'm sorry but that's bullshit. If America is a melting pot, that means all of our diverse cultural influences should be merging together into something new and beautiful. I'm not a racist for cooking mostly Japanese, Chinese, and Indian foods at my house. In fact I am celebrating their amazing food culture and appreciating the fuck out of it.

I guess the gist of this post is that I agree we should have a narrative about this, and I believe there is still an issue, but I think the way the liberal media is covering it is often (not always) disingenuous. I will also say this: I beliege that the primary issue facing America today is independent of race. It is the economic divide which grows wider and wider every year. This is true regardless of your race, if you're poor you're shit on, and if you're not, you're not.

Now there is the question of why such a higher percentage of black people (and Mexicans/central Americans) are in poverty compared to white people. And I think this is where the conversation should be focused. The reasons are complex, and I know that on the ground, cops are more afraid of black people in inner cities than they are of white people. And it's sensible for them to be so, because there is more hatred between cops and poor black people than there is between cops and poor white people. We need to ask why this is. There are various factors, but it is clear to me that there is a difference because of the extension of Jim Crow-era policy, as recently as the 1980s, the CIA literally flooded Black neighborhoods with crack specifically to destroy their neighborhoods, and buy hem up, and gentrify them. This was released in the Freedom of Information Act, so we know it's true. I do realize the 80-s were quite some time ago now, but it seems to me that inner city b;lack cmmunities still suffer from the fallout of this. It created a culture of drug dealing to survive, and resulting police brutality and terrorizing.

Ultimately I think we need to radically alter the police institution in this country, which is why I support BLM, because that was its original point. We need to stop militarizing police, and we need to divert some of the funds they are using to outfit police department with military weapons and fucking tanks, into instead creating opporuntities to provide social services for people. Cops are asked to do too much. When someone is having a crisis, what they need is a mental health counselor. When someone is experiencing hardcore drug addiction, what they need is treatment. Cops can't do all of this, but they're being asked to.

Of course s0me individual cops are awful racists, but I very much dislike the sentiment that "all cops are bastards". They are not. Most cops want to be serving the public good. One of my oldest friends is a cop and he's amazing, a good cop. And there are so many more good cops. We need to move away from this militarized, shoot first ask questions later mentality in the police, and have a more holistic approach.

tl;dr: we have a cop culture problem, and it transcends race, though it does still disproportinately affect black communities. And this isn't random, this is because of hu8ndreds of years of subjugation. But it's a mistake to focus entirely on the racial aspect because it goes far bey9ond that and ultimately our biggest problem in America is not race wars, it is class wars, the elio\tes vs the increasingly poorer common man.
 
@Xolorpppth...


Its that Meghan Markle woman and other moronic woke type people who attach themselves to causes for selfish reasons that really should just get f#@&ed.


That stupid bint, seriously, is using the race card to rip apart the Queens family and they don't deserve this at all- she does not in particular, she's in her mid 90s, worked for 70 years and is not able to spend tax money in 2 dumb units who quit and left the country.


Markle saying her spawn wasn't made Prince because of his skin colour.


This is completely false as anyone who is aware of how that works can say, the kid would never be a Prince even if he was born bright green with orange spots!!!!%&^

I cant believe Americans would buy into it, especially since she wasn't pressed to actually prove anything to have 50 million people at the same time see her call them racist.



Have ya seen the Charlie Heddon magazine with Queen Elizabeth kneeling on Markles neck?


Its passable satire but trivialises the American BLM movement, would have thought that magazine would be more wary after the assassination incident.



Anyway, she sucks.
 
I don't really have any comment on the British royals, as I couldn't care less, but I have a negative view of them ever since the Princess Diana incident. I haven't watched the Oprah interview, just heard about it a lot.

I mainly agree, but npr and bbc are as bad as anything. NPRs biggest bias is in what they choose not to report, but they also push idpol daily. I used to listen everyday, years ago.

I don't think they're just as bad as any of the American news networks (CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc), but you're right, they push identity politics hard. But anyway my etizolam-fueled post above actually explains my views surprisingly well, minus a handful of typos.
 
I have a cousin who is hyper liberal, half native, and nonbinary.
He has fallen from grace these days even among his most like minded friends for calling white people "colonizers"
and telling people they need to "destroy their whiteness"
The problem is I feel like he is justified even if it is horrible. The people we oppressed for hundreds of years never
got their vindication. We only admit the least amount possible, and pathologically take responsibility for nothing.
Our opinions no longer matter. We fucked it all up.
My own boss said "we conquered them, they don't get a choice, this is the society they live in now" concerning
Native American land allotment trials we were working on. WHAT!?
No fucking wonder we are the enemy
 
What do you mean by this exactly. I lived as a expatriate in several different Asian countries where life was pretty cruisy compared to that of the locals and almost all my transgressions of social norms politely overlooked. A Nigerian expat or an African-American expat would never have been treated with the same tolerance.

I guess I'm referring to countries where racial tension exists. In the US if you're a privileged white person and you go into non-white areas your privilege doesn't really exist anymore. As a white man I don't have any privilege south of the border. It's white people that give other white people privilege.

I've lived in areas that were mostly Mexican or black and everyone treated me different because I was the one white boy. Got laughed away from jobs because I wouldn't fit there.
 
I don't really have any comment on the British royals, as I couldn't care less, but I have a negative view of them ever since the Princess Diana incident. I haven't watched the Oprah interview, just heard about it a lot.



I don't think they're just as bad as any of the American news networks (CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc), but you're right, they push identity politics hard. But anyway my etizolam-fueled post above actually explains my views surprisingly well, minus a handful of typos.


The Royal family arent really a huge thing for me either however its not as if they are just rich trashy celebrities who do whatever they want (oops except Andrew). They are very very old school and are public servants.

All this bullshit using the racism hashtag especially in America (who wouldn't see the Royals as anything but quasi celebrities) is so insulting to the Brits, who paid for that stupid bitches wedding and 13 holidays via private jet.

It is not a matter of her being black or her offspring being coloured that they can't just flounce off and expect the British taxpayer to pay their security.
 
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