This, 100%
Can't talk to some of them, cause they're so full of conspiracies.
And as usual 0 data.
Just try what I said. Go and get a tent and spend as long as you can away from the narrative. That's all you need to do. People aren't running around like psychotic individuals out in the sticks away from society, and if they are it won't have anything to do with the daily programming they are getting from the mainstream media, which ironically have never been the most accurate about providing the facts. Everybody knows to take news with a pinch of salt and yet people consume it like it's quite literally the modern version of the Bible. Cognitive dissonance works in weird ways on the mind. And where you managed to attribute spirituality to my reply is pretty confusing and why that would be a bad thing anyway is even more confusing. I don't think sprituality has anything to do with it to be honest. You are projecting what you perceive as being my response but it's actually not and so you're not actually talking to a person, you're talking to your own reflection, something that people have become accustomed today during the alleged pandemic as they only see 'real' people who wear their allegiance to the new reality as 'really real' and everybody as not really existing, just kind of hanging around like sub humans. That's pretty common with cult psychology and it's something psychologists have studied for a long time and it's why serial killers like Ted Bundy were so attractive to the people he put under his spell ready to demonize and attack anybody he deemed necessary and to disregard society as one big joke. Remind you of much here?
Just in case you've forgot - you're talking to/about/with human beings, people just like you and yet you talk about others like you're talking about a seperate species. It's really disturbing how this narrative has flicked a switch in people and triggered what are bordering on sociopathic/narcissistic tendencies. You can't talk with most people like that because they genuinely believe they have a God given right to look down on everybody and anybody else who doesn't support their agenda and will do anything to harm you particularly by attempting to humiliate and expose you in front of others (because that is of course something they fear in themselves).
Just see if society still exists when you come back. Do a little experiment. I'm not saying run off for good. Just see whether the pandemic exists when you're in a nice field somewhere away from people and all you're left with is untouched nature. Are the rocks infected? Are the sheep? Is the nature trail you're now on testing positive for COVID-19? You'll soon see how absurd it really is. But then again, people supported the war on drugs despite everybody knowing plants that grow in the ground were not actually on a mission to hurt people and instead it was the government mindf*cking billions of people and gaslighted them into believing plants were actually human-like creatures hell bound on a terrorist mission to hurt and kill people. Did you believe the war on drugs narrative? You're here aren't you? I'm guessing somewhere along the line you thought "This is bullshit!" and you ended up trying drugs (just a guess seeing as this is a drugs forum) and then you realized in fact YES it was all bullshit and now you wanted to find the others to express the same sentiments. And here you are, on a drugs forum! A drugs forum that focuses on ILLEGAL drugs (primarily!) and yet today you're supporting another war and acting like the government is YET AGAIN right in what they are doing. In a few years time you'll be joining a harm reduction forum for COVID-19 and you'll no doubt be telling people how silly they are to be scared of Uncle Sam and his fight against COVID-19, just like you no doubt when Uncle Sam comes for people who choose to consume drugs. The irony, double think, cognitive dissonance, the trauma, the irrationality. Do you not see this?
What you are supporting is the first stages in a war that people bandied together to support when we went to war on drugs, in Iraq and Afghanistan and practically any other Middle Eastern country we felt like at the time. You're supporting the same process that got religious stigma and persecution to overtake rational thought and invited witch slayers and demonic entities and all that bullshit into the public sphere where people legitimately spent their lifetimes in full on fear believing they had no choice but to submit to Christianity otherwise be haunted. What actually haunted them was the narrative being preached and not the actual demons!
If you go away for long enough you'd probably find the next fad is completely different. Maybe people are running around like headless chickens over a perceived alien invasion. Maybe it will be zombies. And you'll be able to look at them and simply grin and probably also feel sorry for them. Humans are like that buddy. We are gullible, naive, blind and we crave heroic characters to save the day who we can submit to and then idolize. We do it everyday with celebrities getting their bits out on Instagram for likes, shares and ad revenue. We do it with our government officials who we pretty much give high priesthood rights to and let them dominate every area of our life and then start asking questions when things go to shit.
Alas, the narratives that create these realities have to exist in order to enact monumental shifts in society that otherwise you wouldn't accept if they kindly gave you a choice. Hey December Flower, do you mind spending the next year locked up in your home and to have 99% of your everyday reality restricted? Just cross out the box that says 'Yes' and put it into the ballot box, thanks. What would you have said? It's obvious you'd have never bought into it. So they have to do it this way.
And conspiracies you mention? A conspiracy is simply a plan between two or more people. That's all. Nothing more. We're not in high school. This isn't play the gossip train where we try and blow up trivial details about somebody or something and then watch as the entire class points the finger and giggles at some other pupil who got the raw deal. We are adults. Perhaps learn to talk about things without adding vitriolic emotionally laden childish sentiments to everything you want to criticize. Whatever emotionally charged beliefs you attach to it is your shout. If you want to stigmatize things and make them appear oh so negative and indicative of illness or some sort of indication of wrongdoing then that's fine, it's just a pretty self destructive place to live and it no doubt fills your life with darkness, hence your current position. It doesn't hold any weight over my life. People commit to conspiracies all the time, that's why we have a justice and criminal system to identify these conspiracies and deal with them accordingly. Whether it's a conspiracy to steal soda from a store or to steal millions of dollars from a bank. The only people who think there's more going on than just a conspiracy to do something are themselves conspiracy theorists. Kinda fitting, isn't it? The deniers of conspiracy theories are themselves conspiracy theorists. They are the ones conspiring to deny the claims of other people who are conspiring to theorize about other conspiracies.
As for data, there's lots of data but a) nobody is under any obligation to serve you with data and those that are already have but you're unwilling to acknowledge it and b) it's your duty to search it out. I would genuinely spend hours collating it all just for you and I've never met you but hey, that's just the person I am but you already knew that didn't you throwing me into the bag of conspiracy theorist nut jobs and whatever words that are used to undermine someones character in a conversation and render them obsolete. The information HAS been provided, that's where there IS a debate. The fact that the propaganda machine is in FULL EFFECT is precisely because of the backlash to the pandemic. What government wants to use a pandemic as a political weapon to silence it's critics of the policies they enact? That's straight up authoritarianism my friend whatever way you put it. What government uses the threat of death, disease and deprivation to scare the shit out of it's people in order for them to submit? There are NO parallels and so quite rightfully so, people are starting to wake up and starting to fight back, hence the propaganda machines being ramped up in every opportunity. You wouldn't NEED propaganda if something was true and there were no ill intentions behind it. The only time propaganda is used in a governmental way is when a perceived enemy and it's population/groups connected need flooding with polarizing information that potentially compromises them and opens them up to the demands of the 'invading force' ie your government.
Anyway my man, it's your life, not mine or anybody else's. The information most definetly is out there. Part of the game you're playing is to simply refute everything because that's how you've been conditioned to behave - irrationally. And because you're not YET being held accountable for your part to play in the way in which society is going because the actual fallout of the global lockdowns and policies enforced have not yet been investigated (but they will) you really believe you can act as part of a flash mob believing you have automatic impunity. This has been well documented in psychology. Just Google the prison experiments done by Phillip Zimbardo and see for yourself what can happen to people when they are given the opportunity to break the rules without oversight. Obviously that opportunity won't be around forever and give it a few years and the conversation and overall mood will be one of embarrassment, humiliation and demanding of forgiveness. Groups marginalized throughout the world know what it feels like to be at the hand of mob psychology like this but now you're no doubt sympathetic to every group we currently consider real people ie black people, chinese, people from the Middle East etc. You'll attend a Black Lives Matter event no doubt and yet now you're targetting ANOTHER group but this time it's wide scale and targetting the non-believers and not a skin colour and/or race and/or ethnicity. The stupidity and innate hypocrisy of your logic.
You're a victim of severe abuse and trauma and you're blaming the people who want to help for having committed those awful acts against you. It's very common with people who have experienced severe and prolonged abuse by a partner, family member etc.
It's not my responsibility or anybody else's to hold your hand and tell you how things work. You're supposed to, as an adult, do this for yourself. The reason your society is built like it is is so that you can investigate the truth and then challenge authority if and when it is deemed what they are doing is wrong or even criminal. And that goes for everyone else as well, not just politicians and government etc. People don't do that anymore. They are too lazy, too interested in being consumers, in expecting their world to just continue as if by magic without awareness of how everything works and their part to play in it and it's too difficult to take the initiative and be pro active and be a responsible member of society. People just expect others to do that for them like they are owed that to them by everyone else. And because of that, people take advantage of that void and they fill it with what they want others to see.
If you don't take control over your life, someone else will.
You might not read this but I know many will and perhaps many won't have the confidence to speak out but just know that there are people out there who will speak out for you and that if you're suffering doing these hard times you're not alone and if you had any sort of doubt as to what is going on and who is responsible and whether it's justified just so that it's something MILLIONS and MILLIONS around the world feel as well and those MILLIONS are growing each and every week.
Also, masks don't protect people too well from sustained exposure indoors, as happens with caregivers and the elderly in nursing homes. Nursing homes, sadly, have been among the hardest hit places. It's much less likely to get it in a grocery store or similar, where people are passing each other briefly and not touching each other. But much more likely to get it from someone walking by you who is contagious and not wearing a mask, who coughs or sneezes nearby, than if they were coughing or sneezing into a mask. Kinda gross, yeah perhaps. But so what? Wouldn't you rather wear a mask you sneezed into than be the cause of someone's grandma dying or something? Seems pretty trivial when you compare it to that.
Sorry about your grandma.
Nope. This is just obsessive irrational thinking that's pretty similiar to illnesses such as OCD in those with mental health issues. People with OCD reguarly obsess over benign everyday things, such as germs. It's founded in a very unstable sense of self and bundles of repressed content that then ends up turning the individual against themselves. What results is a mental illness FAR WORSE than any perceived threat by germs. And it's not gross at all. It's called being human in a 8 billion strong human population. People shit, piss, smell when they don't wash, they sneeze, fart and puke. If you can't handle this then being human isn't for you. The only way to remove all this is to remove our bodies so that we're no longer human anymore. And by removing our bodies we're removing 99% of who we are. And now we're no longer human. It's one seriously psychotic and seriously unstable species who believes the antidote to their problems is removing their own existence to fix the problem. Do we see dogs removing their bodies in order to simply be dog heads rolling down the streets? Or perhaps mechanical dogs replacing their fallable organic dog bodies? What's wrong with how things are? What's wrong with being human? We're the only species OBSESSED with destroying ourselves and the planet we live in. Grandmas aren't going to die buddy, not by people sneezing anyway. That would be a delusion bordering on psychosis and the only solution to prevent germs from being passed on is to live in a world with top-down control where the smallest details of your life are micro-managed to an almost schizophrenic level. And in order to prevent grandma you've given away 99% of your life to protect her from something that has less than 0.1% chance of killing her. It's just like saying we need to get rid of cars because cars are killing machines on wheels. Houses are several tonnes of death waiting to fall on you should an earthquake happen one day. No need for schools because schools will have kids in them who will inevitably grow up to become murderers, rapists and criminals. No need for workplaces because if there is even one single thread of sin, of bad character, of imperfection present in the workplace it will destroy the lives of everybody who works there.
When you live in a world like that you're essentially live in psychosis. 99% of your life is a delusion and you're living it to protect from less than 1% chance of it becoming a reality, perhaps even less than 1%.
When you have a species so hell bent on destroying itself and so full of self hatred and detachment from the very strands of it's own existence you have a huge issue. But hey, that's precisely why we're headed towards destroying the entire f*cking planet, right? That's why we are in this mess, correct? Because on a societal level we no longer accept ourselves. We've lost touch with ourselves, with what matters, with what is important. We are sick of being human and sick of having to go to the toilet and our shit stink. We are sick of having fallable finite organic bodies that get sick and eventually die. Grrrr! Isn't it hell being a human being? I wish someone would just come in and punish us all for this pathetic pointless existence...
Oh wait... My prayers might have been answered.
The only solution is to carry on and attempt to undo the last year of psychosis inducing events. Wearing a mask is a symbol of surrender and throughout history the only way we have challenged bad political decisions is to REFUSE to identify with the symbolism of those ideologies. You wouldn't wear a KKK outfit. You wouldn't wear a shirt that says "Women belong in the kitchen". You wouldn't wear a shirt that says "I hate gays!" not at least in mainstream society. By simply bowing to what is happening you're effectively allowing and approving these ideologies and toxic agendas and narratives to cement their place. The answer is always just to say NO. That's it. Nothing more.
And like I mentioned in my above comment to another member here on Bluelight, let's see just how deadly this virus is when people starting playing into the lies and manipulation. It really does remind me of an ex-girlfriend/boyfriend who won't leave you alone and keeps sending you threats of self harm to try and win you back and saying if you don't they will kill themselves or they will ruin your life or something to that effect. The only way to get rid of that person is to say NO and mean it. Simple. You don't flirt with toxic things like this. You don't just wear a mask because hell what's the harm. That same was said about lynching homosexuals not so long ago. The same was said for treating women like objects not so long ago. The same was said for the brewing hatred of the Middle East and anybody who was/is a Muslim. Do you just resign to the fact that you have no choice but to allow this behaviour? No. So don't do it with this.
