Old Testament.

[Gnostic Bishop]

How can one oversee that God is like a callous, paranoid tweaker who's been up for too long?

I agree on the vileness of the Christian and Muslim demiurge.

I have yet to dither out how otherwise intelligent people will ignore common moral sense, hold their noses, and accept evil as good.

Religious tribal insecurities, they appease at the cost of good morals.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Mashiach is supposed to arrive and restore it and bring peace.

True, via Armageddon and the last genocide we are supposedly going to suffer.

I will let the brain dead Christians hope that that event come to us soon.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I was just saying that the Old Testament is consistent; in a historical context

Historical???

Not in the least.

It begins with a talking serpent, for Chris's sake, and only gets further from reality and history after that.

Only the most foolish will read myths like history or literally.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

There are many words in Hebrew for God.

Just one example: the letters Yod Hey Val Hey is the origin of the Christian name Yahweh or Jehovah (variations occur because there are no vowels in Hebrew so the modern reader guesses). The actual rough translation is
"I am who am".

Many significant names in the Bible are meaningful in interesting ways. For example the name Adam translates to English as Mud or Clay ; referring to the fact that in the Hebrew tradition, man was created from the earth. Did the original author intend that literally or was it meant conceptually ? We really don't know.

Sure we do.

It was obviously spoken as a concept that recognized that we all come from whatever the earth provides.

Adam, spelled with a lower case "a", means society or tribe. That is the way the bible should be interpreted when God says, --- we made them, male and female, and called them Adam.

That is a spelling error in scriptures and should be spelled adam, with a lower case "a".

This also fortifies the notion of Yahweh's as being androgynous.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I want to know "who is God?"

What is stopping you from seeking Gnosis?

Who would you accept as your best guide in all things, other than yourself?

Regards
DL

 

[Jabberwocky]

Who would you accept as your best guide in all things, other than yourself?

This is something that I found is not fruitful to bring up in an "environment" like this. At a young age I had some experiences that lead me to the conclusion that words are just not good enough of a tool to base an exploration of this kind. Sure words help, but only when they are spoken with authority. And I don't mean some BS "title authority" (priest, judge...) but the authority of lived experience. If there is no eye to eye connection I am not comfortable with (for the vast majority of the cases) vaste my time typing symbols and falling into a trap of broken phone. What one word means to me can mean very little or just plain different to other person. Words (language) can be used as tool for conceiving the obvious and I believe that the story of The Tower of Babel is expressing that. If truth is wilfully distorted the languages, codes and top down authority imidiatly emerges. In that phase it is already too late as the whole structure is build on lies governed by brute force. I can see this clearly and could express better in my native South Slavic language. I have written lots about it for myself, but unfortunately I can not translate it easily into English.

I guess that this is a very long way to state that I don't want to talk about this kind of topics if a person is not in my presence. I can get much more from observing other person for a minute than from reading a book of some stranger (not that I don't read).

But in essence, my best guide would be the person that I see is living what he is "preaching". Or at least that he is doing his very best in that direction. I can detect lies pretty well and if I detect a true lie even once the person is disqualified regarding "this matters". So there are few essential criteria, like honesty, speaking truthfully
, behaving in accordance (not rigid just in harmony)...and then I am open. But I am not expecting to find that online.

Edit - I don't want to insult kind, sincere and knowledgeable people that are interacting with me online. Just wanted to state that I am not comfortable with discussing such essential matters online, not that there are no people who I would have high regards and are discussing this matters online. Now you can see why I dont like communicating via words only.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

This is something that I found is not fruitful to bring up in an "environment" like this. At a young age I had some experiences that lead me to the conclusion that words are just not good enough of a tool to base an exploration of this kind. Sure words help, but only when they are spoken with authority. And I don't mean some BS "title authority" (priest, judge...) but the authority of lived experience. If there is no eye to eye connection I am not comfortable with (for the vast majority of the cases) vaste my time typing symbols and falling into a trap of broken phone. What one word means to me can mean very little or just plain different to other person. Words (language) can be used as tool for conceiving the obvious and I believe that the story of The Tower of Babel is expressing that. If truth is wilfully distorted the languages, codes and top down authority imidiatly emerges. In that phase it is already too late as the whole structure is build on lies governed by brute force. I can see this clearly and could express better in my native South Slavic language. I have written lots about it for myself, but unfortunately I can not translate it easily into English.

I guess that this is a very long way to state that I don't want to talk about this kind of topics if a person is not in my presence. I can get much more from observing other person for a minute than from reading a book of some stranger (not that I don't read).

But in essence, my best guide would be the person that I see is living what he is "preaching". Or at least that he is doing his very best in that direction. I can detect lies pretty well and if I detect a true lie even once the person is disqualified regarding "this matters". So there are few essential criteria, like honesty, speaking truthfully
, behaving in accordance (not rigid just in harmony)...and then I am open. But I am not expecting to find that online.

Edit - I don't want to insult kind, sincere and knowledgeable people that are interacting with me online. Just wanted to state that I am not comfortable with discussing such essential matters online, not that there are no people who I would have high regards and are discussing this matters online. Now you can see why I dont like communicating via words only.

You pointed out something that i think is significant.

Spoken words, eye to eye contact, living what you speak. Are not sufficient, but tools we have.

This new generation, I feel a 'gap' as i lived before the computer, is typing word's. Which imo they do to easy. In other words they don't realize these shortcomings of language anymore. Typing is a step back as i see it. I find it hard to type sincerely what I mean. But these 'youngster's' one was 37 don't even feel or notice this. They seem accustomed to there phone screen's.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

This is something that I found is not fruitful to bring up in an "environment" like this. At a young age I had some experiences that lead me to the conclusion that words are just not good enough of a tool to base an exploration of this kind. Sure words help, but only when they are spoken with authority. And I don't mean some BS "title authority" (priest, judge...) but the authority of lived experience. If there is no eye to eye connection I am not comfortable with (for the vast majority of the cases) vaste my time typing symbols and falling into a trap of broken phone. What one word means to me can mean very little or just plain different to other person. Words (language) can be used as tool for conceiving the obvious and I believe that the story of The Tower of Babel is expressing that. If truth is wilfully distorted the languages, codes and top down authority imidiatly emerges. In that phase it is already too late as the whole structure is build on lies governed by brute force. I can see this clearly and could express better in my native South Slavic language. I have written lots about it for myself, but unfortunately I can not translate it easily into English.

I guess that this is a very long way to state that I don't want to talk about this kind of topics if a person is not in my presence. I can get much more from observing other person for a minute than from reading a book of some stranger (not that I don't read).

But in essence, my best guide would be the person that I see is living what he is "preaching". Or at least that he is doing his very best in that direction. I can detect lies pretty well and if I detect a true lie even once the person is disqualified regarding "this matters". So there are few essential criteria, like honesty, speaking truthfully
, behaving in accordance (not rigid just in harmony)...and then I am open. But I am not expecting to find that online.

Edit - I don't want to insult kind, sincere and knowledgeable people that are interacting with me online. Just wanted to state that I am not comfortable with discussing such essential matters online, not that there are no people who I would have high regards and are discussing this matters online. Now you can see why I dont like communicating via words only.

Thanks for this.

Privacy cannot help but be granted and expected.

I agree that one must walk his talk.

That is what scares the hell out of me when it comes to the god religions and their followers who are to emulate a genocidal god.

Regards
DL

 

[Gormur]

Historical???

Not in the least.

It begins with a talking serpent, for Chris's sake, and only gets further from reality and history after that.

Only the most foolish will read myths like history or literally.

Regards
DL

Yet Egyptian accounts of history are seen as history even if it's mostly storytelling. Thanks for showing your agenda

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Actually never read any of those book's mentioned in this thread.

So I go by info that are mere interpretation's of human's that believe in one or the other direction. It was shocking that the rewritten 'The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying' was written by ghost writer's and the so called author Sogyal Rinpoche had been accused of sexual and physical assault and abuse, as well as misusing charitable funds, with allegations stretching back to the 1970s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogyal_Rinpoche

Which explain's some weird passage's in the book as they are kinda like justification's for his action's.

So what I do know about all those believe system's come's from mostly singer's and band's. Someone mentioned the 'Bhagavad Gītā' as an very good book. So I try to get a copy of it, which will off course be an translated version. And start there, I believe its been written down 5000 years ago and before that was going from mouth to ear for generation's. Quite an ancient book.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

I agree on the vileness of the Christian and Muslim demiurge.

I have yet to dither out how otherwise intelligent people will ignore common moral sense, hold their noses, and accept evil as good.

Religious tribal insecurities, they appease at the cost of good morals.

Regards
DL

I'm sorry for coming across as an idiot, but by that I guess that you mean you don't know how people will abandon the slave-morality and herd-mentality that religion enforces?
Or do I lose something in translation here?

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

Job is great. God let's Satan murder jobs wife and children for no reason other than to stick it to Satan and prove he's right about how much job loves him.

It's fucked. And awesome. :D

God is evil, he's a petty narcissistic bastard. It says so in the Bible.

Hahahahaha! Stick it to Satan.
Luckily I'm a non-theistic satanic/nihilist/lost-manchild, so I don't get offended by publicly shaming these two jackals.

Are you religious, Jess?
(They tell me one shouldn't ask such personal questions, but how the hell I'm I suppose to learn anything otherwise?!)

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

God is everything. All good and evil which are really just mental constructs and have no basis in the true being of god. It all comes from the infinite god which is actually a true reality. So by the irony of it god really did do all those things like mauling kids with bears etc but a better way to think of it is this is simply nature and life. Bears will eat people if they are hungry. People are murderous especially back then as they did not know their true nature.

The old testament is alot more mythical while as you progress through each book you see the developments and also alot of the same material.

The Abrahamic books are not really a good picture on what god is since these people never had the experince of god. The quran is better but still lacking. but it is proclaiming god is one which is the most important understanding.

Idk if you ever read the bhagvad gita and the upnahsihads but they are truly the best look into god which is acutally yourself.

Now the abortion-stuff you said makes sense, haha.
I appreaciate your input, I really do though.

 

[JessFR]

Hahahahaha! Stick it to Satan.
Luckily I'm a non-theistic satanic/nihilist/lost-manchild, so I don't get offended by publicly shaming these two jackals.

Are you religious, Jess?
(They tell me one shouldn't ask such personal questions, but how the hell I'm I suppose to learn anything otherwise?!)

Nope, spiritual to a degree but not religious.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

am not into this at all but what I like it's that the old testament describes angels different than any other religious book. For e.g I remember reading that an angel had a log as a head and a floating bubble of water, no eyes although. So if we're lookin, angels are more evilish than demons.

I thought demons were just angels that God had bullied out of his inner circle?

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

Nope, spiritual to a degree but not religious.

I can dig that. I can't put a name on what I feel, but it's not religious. Maybe spiritual.
Maybe it's nothing at all, like when you think you need to pee but you don't.

But I'm happy that I learned to not be so narrowminded at last. Reading the Old Testament was a delight, not a chore.
Horrifying to think some take it word for word, but nontheless, a great story.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I thought demons were just angels that God had bullied out of his inner circle?

there is literally nothing else in reality expect for god no angels no humans nothing no mind no meditation no meditator there is only the true self which is infinite awareness which is also loving the originator of all things including cosnciouneness awareness is itself of itself.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

there is literally nothing else in reality expect for god no angels no humans nothing no mind no meditation no meditator there is only the true self which is infinite awareness which is also loving the originator of all things including cosnciouneness awareness is itself of itself.

I admire your conviction. Mine aren't as solid. I think that once you "have" the answer, well, you might consider the possibility that you're stuck.
None of us can prove it either way, so saying "this is truth" doesn't ring aswell in my ears as it probably does in yours.
Have you ever considered that your convictions might be a jerry-rig of presumptions made by people you never knew?
That their construction is faulty, their blueprint flawed? Is your mind open for that possibility?

 

[Deleted member 521610]

you can prove this highest truth though. You can either work hard at it or see it through other means.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

For you there is no birth or death, for you there is no mind, for you there is no bondage or liberation, no good or evil. Why do you shed tears, my child? Neither you nor I have name and form. You do not belong to that which is composed of the five objects of sense, such as sound; nor does that belong to you. You indeed are the supreme Reality. Why then do you suffer? Sages say that Reality is one only and the same. And through renunciation of attachment, the mind, which is one and many, ceases to exist.

If it is of the nature of the not-Self, how can there be Samahdi? If it is of the nature of the Self, how can there be Samahdi? If it is both "is" and "is not", how can there be Samahdi? If all is one and of the nature of freedom, how can there be Samahdi?

i could you give 100 + more tips to getting awakened your self but eh i feel like it might take you a few rebirths of seeking.