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US Politics The 2021 Former President Trump Thread - I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.

JessFR said:
The republican party is now republican in name only. It worships a man who's had several wives and scandals involving women, what would have been seen as anti family once. Who is quite obviously secretly an atheist.... when you were so obviously anti family and an atheist... But that's no longer the priority.
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Should it be?

It wouldn't surprise me if ultimately the republican party collapses and a new right wing party takes over.
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So be it.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Most presidents have ordered someone's death, so I don't see your point here unless you think most presidents would murder Americans. I don't see the connection.



He didn't do that.
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Yeah he did do that. He didn't ask me my position on Obama era drone warfare, he assigned me a position and insinuated I was a hypocrite for judging trump for it but not obama.

I didn't say I supported Obama's drone warfare, now or in the past, he didn't ask me if I supported it, he decided for me that I did.

And even taking your assertion about most presidents at face value, it becomes a lot more alarming when the person doing it is building a personality cult and trying to overturn elections to stay in office and using his authority to attack political opponents.

Not to mention that trump not only resumed executions, he did them in far greater numbers than any recent president and even continued to do them as much as it could up until his last day in office against prior convention. That is not like most presidents at all.

My point is trump would think nothing of murdering Americans like other dictators if he had the power.

birdup.snaildown said:
Should it be?



So be it.
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Compared to what it is now? Yeah I much prefer the old republican party. I'd happily take another term of Bush than Trump if it were a choice between the too.

And for letting the republican party fall. Well yeah, it's unfortunate but those idiots doomed themselves. Fuck em.
 
JessFR said:
I didn't say I supported Obama's drone warfare, now or in the past, he didn't ask me if I supported it, he decided for me that I did.
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I read it differently.

I thought he was saying: did you react proportionately to Obama's drone wars?

JessFR said:
trump not only resumed executions, he did them in far greater numbers than any recent president and even continued to do them as much as it could up until his last day in office against prior convention. That is not like most presidents at all.

My point is trump would think nothing of murdering Americans like other dictators if he had the power.
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Like assassinations, I don't think executions are the same as murdering random citizens.

The woman who was executed just before Trump left office cut a baby out of another woman and tried to pass it off as her own. That's like horror movie crazy. People don't get executed in the US for nothing. Personally, I think more people should be executed if anything. Repeat child rapists and serial killers should be executed.

JessFR said:
Compared to what it is now? Yeah I much prefer the old republican party. I'd happily take another term of Bush than Trump if it were a choice between the too.
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You would like it to be more religious and family oriented?

JessFR said:
And for letting the republican party fall. Well yeah, it's unfortunate but those idiots doomed themselves. Fuck em.
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Trump got over 74 million votes. Those voters haven't vanished.

Religion has no place in politics.
 
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birdup.snaildown said:
I read it differently.

I thought he was saying: did you react proportionately to Obama's drone wars?



Like assassinations, I don't think executions are the same as murdering random citizens.

The woman who was executed just before Trump left office cut a baby out of another woman and tried to pass it off as her own. That's like horror movie crazy. People don't get executed in the US for nothing. Personally, I think more people should be executed if anything. Repeat child rapists and serial killers should be executed. AOC should be executed.



You would like it to be more religious and family oriented?



Trump got over 74 million votes. Those voters haven't vanished.

Religion has no place in politics.
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I would like the republican party to stand for something, other than worshipping trump and building walls and cutting America off from its allies yeah.

Of course religion has a place in politics. It doesn't have a place in law, but it has a place in politics because politics is the discussion of the running of society, and that discussion is motivated by people's moral beliefs and that in turn of often motivated by religion. Like it or not religion can't be entirely separated from politics so long as it exists.

And what that woman did isn't the point, bringing it up is just a distraction. The point was traditionally presidents about to leave office suspend executions so the incoming president can make the call. Trump however sped it up so they could kill as many as possible in the remaining time.

Trump is no stranger to ordering people's deaths and doesn't seem to have any real concerns about it. Taken in context with his dictatorial ambitions and his fast he turns on anyone who doesn't shown unending blind loyalty, yea I think it's an obvious conclusion that if he could he'd have Americans who oppose him politically put to death on whatever pretext he so chose.

I think it's naive to think otherwise.

As for executions generally. The justice system has repeatedly shown itself to be incapable of treating the death penalty with enough seriousness to prevent the accidental or near accidental execution of people innocent of what they're accused of.

There have been far too many near misses to justify continuing the death penalty. I say this as someone who used to support the death penalty.

And as for Obama, there's lots of things I didn't like about his administration, drone warfare, the Ndaa 2012, to list a few.

But trump doesn't simply have dubious methods to protect America, he has no interest in it at all. Like any good dictator his only concern is seeing the country as his possession (remember when he called it 'his' military?) . It's all about him.
 
JessFR said:
As for executions generally. The justice system has repeatedly shown itself to be incapable of treating the death penalty with enough seriousness to prevent the accidental or near accidental execution of people innocent of what they're accused of.

There have been far too many near misses to justify continuing the death penalty.
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If you're talking about federal executions like the type that Trump did, I think you'll struggle to find an example of that. The people who died had been on death row for decades. They're all real pieces of shit.

I mentioned the woman who cut the baby out of her victim's womb because the details are relevant when you're making comparative statements between executing these people and killing innocent civilians. Here's a couple more of them.

Wesley Ira Purkey - Kidnap, rape, and murder of 16-year-old Jennifer Long. Purkey then dismembered and burned her body and scattered the remains into a septic pond. He was also convicted of the murder of 80-year-old polio patient, Mary Ruth Bales.
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Keith Dwayne Nelson - Kidnap, rape, and murder of 10-year-old Pamela Butler on October 12, 1999.
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The federal government executed just over a dozen people. They were all rapists and murderers. One of them murdered seven people. A bunch of them murdered kids.

I respect the fact that you don't like the death penalty, but it's not fair to say these executions are evidence that Trump would murder innocent Americans if he could get away with it. Assassinating people and executing murderers and rapists is something lots of leaders do.

trump doesn't simply have dubious methods to protect America, he has no interest in it at all. Like any good dictator his only concern is seeing the country as his possession (remember when he called it 'his' military?) . It's all about him.
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If I'm the president of a country, I too would think that my army was my army. It's natural for a captain to refer to a ship as his ship. The word "mine" doesn't necessarily imply ownership. My daughter is my daughter. She doesn't belong to me, but she is mine.

I disagree that Trump has no interest in protecting America.

The difference between the left and the right is not simply that one of them is wrong, or evil, or working against the people. Both the left and the right want to help. I think every president has wanted to protect America. There isn't only one correct approach.

Right wing politics and left wing politics are perfectly reflected in parenting styles. Traditional parenting means rewarding a job well done. Reward and punishment. The truth is important, even when it is unpleasant. This is the right. The left are those parents that coddle their children. They lie to them, with all the best intentions. They reward them for doing nothing.

Trump's personality doesn't fit into this binary. He doesn't have the personality of a republican, but his policies are traditional conservative policies. He didn't enact (or attempt to enact) any radical changes during his presidential term.

JessFR said:
Of course religion has a place in politics. It doesn't have a place in law, but it has a place in politics because politics is the discussion of the running of society, and that discussion is motivated by people's moral beliefs and that in turn of often motivated by religion. Like it or not religion can't be entirely separated from politics so long as it exists.
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It was irrelevant in the context that you introduced it. His religion doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he's a family man either. Both the Democratic party and the Republican party ensure that their candidates are (or pretend to be) religious and married with kids. Describing Trump's presidency as atheistic is pointing out an advancement in American politics. Atheists should be able to president.

You might as well argue that potatoes can't be entirely separated from the government, because politicians eat them... or because agricultural industries are regulated.

Religious status should have no bearing on a candidates suitability for any position. It's stupid that presidents have to pretend to be Christian. This is a failing of the Republican party. It is not a strength or some vital core part of right wing policy that we cannot do without. Political conservatism can, and does, exist separately from religious conservatism. They should be as separate as possible.

JessFR said:
I would like the republican party to stand for something, other than worshipping trump and building walls and cutting America off from its allies yeah.
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Relative to the democratic party, they have always consistently stood for traditional right wing attitudes. The republican party hasn't officially shifted their stance on any policy (that I'm aware of) during the Trump era.
 
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Good morning.

Nice to see everyone on fine form overnight and this morning! 🤣 Was almost getting bored this morning! Oh and love the constant updating of the thread title from time to time! Looking forward to next week's installment! 🤣
 
dalpat077 said:
Given that you started this thread and with such gusto I just assumed it was you! 🤣
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Nope, it's someone else with the power to edit the title. Which means they are either a ceps mod, a senior mod, an admin or an owner.

Unless they decide to come forth though I shall preserve their anonymity. :D
 
JessFR said:
Nope, it's someone else with the power to edit the title. Which means they are either a ceps mod, a senior mod, an admin or an owner.

Unless they decide to come forth though I shall preserve their anonymity. :D
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This starting to remind me of a particular post on another thread! 🤣 Process of elimination and all that! Could keep me awake for days!

Last time I checked though: you can edit the title of your own thread. Just saying.

Anyway and needless to say: this off topic and an interruption. And all very confusing too. So I'll mosey on over back to my Russian thread i.e. things are pretty well clear cut and dried that side! 🤣

I hope you've bothered to take a look over there i.e. if nothing else @birdup.snaildown's update to Maslow's hierarchy of needs theory is priceless. And not to mention right up there with, well, you know, the liberal way and all! 🤣 And that's not an invitation to pop in and shit all over Russia (or me) just by the way! ☢️
 
dalpat077 said:
This starting to remind me of a particular post on another thread! 🤣 Process of elimination and all that! Could keep me awake for days!

Last time I checked though: you can edit the title of your own thread. Just saying.
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Well yeah, I'm also a senior mod, in theory I can edit the title of almost every thread on the entire forum. But it's not me. :)

Then again, I'm an admitted liar. :D
 
It’s interesting that Nikki Haley, former governor of South Carolina and former ambassador to the United Nations, and Mitch McConnell, Senate minority leader have both repudiated Trump.
Haley is viewed as a very likely candidate for the next presidential election. Blood is in the water.
 
Lol @ lower prescription drug prices. America has some of the highest prescription drug prices because it doesn't have any central universal health care system.

Who was it that opposed that again? Oh yea, trump and the Republicans.
 
cduggles said:
It’s interesting that Nikki Haley, former governor of South Carolina and former ambassador to the United Nations, and Mitch McConnell, Senate minority leader have both repudiated Trump.
Haley is viewed as a very likely candidate for the next presidential election. Blood is in the water.
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morningconsult.com

Trump Emerges From Impeachment Trial With Sturdy Backing From GOP Voters

Trump has emerged from his second impeachment trial relatively unscathed with Republican voters in yet another sign of his continued strength with the party’s base.
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He ain't going anywhere :)
 
What do they know, I wonder? What skeletons does Donnie have in the closet? He IS the skeleton in the closet, lol

I'm not sure what's going on with Haley, but McConnell, he just did what he always does, talk out both sides of his mouth and tried to be a fence-rider between the establishment and the extremists in the base. He was never an enthusiast for the MAGA thing anyway, but the relationship was mutually beneficial for him and Trump so they put up with each other...and that's why he got away with it so many times in the past...but that dynamic no longer exists

Maybe Trump's sole purpose in life now is to be just a massive hemorrhoid for the GOP...couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people lol
 
Hmmm. when they stop jumbling the presidential reigns up I will start to pay more attention.
 
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