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What to do if close family member won't get the Vaccination?

JessFR said:
You do know that there's been a bunch of young people with no preexisting conditions killed by covid yea? And a bunch more suffering long term repercussions?

And that it's not just about you?

FFS it's been one fucking year and there's been 2 million deaths.
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You can present as fit and healthy but have any number of undiagnosed issues. This is more often than not the case.

It is definitely all about me, the dead only know one thing. It’s better to be alive. 🤷
 
LoginNotSecure said:
As real as the days are long.

I’d want to see the evidence at around the 10 year mark, but as a fit and healthy person (reasonably ha!) even if I were to catch Covid-19 or any of the variants, the symptoms would be mild to nonexistent.

If my body can fight it, then I don’t really see why I’d take the vaccine. I’m not anti vaccination either, just my own personal view and you’re welcome to draw your own conclusions.

Swings and roundabouts isn’t it.
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And that 1 in 3 people are asymptomatic so you could easily have it and pass it on to vulnerable people. Especially as you’re a GP and would be working with that group. We don’t vaccinate for ourselves but for others.

Also, the covid long syndrome is affecting more fit and healthy people than you’re clearly aware of.
 
LoginNotSecure said:
You can present as fit and healthy but have any number of undiagnosed issues. This is more often than not the case.
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How do you know that exactly?

If it's undetected preexisting illness how do you know it exists?

It sounds like you're saying "most of them had undetected illness noone knew about... Except me... Somehow". Care to clarify how you can establish this?
 
JessFR said:
People always want long term studies. It's the standard bullshit answer.

If we have long term studies to confirm the near certainty that there aren't long term risks to the vaccine, it's gonna kill waay more people than if people had just got the vaccine.

It's stupid. We don't and shouldn't insist on long term studies for fucking everything. It'll kill way more people doing that.

Unless you have some existing condition that means you can't get the vaccine, just go get it. Be part of the solution here.

Worry about what the virus will do to you cause that's a much greater risk.
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The choice is his and his alone. He can weigh the risks and work out if it makes sense, he is a lot more up close an personal than some hysterical antipodean progressive.... YMMV

In the UK unlike progressive Australia medical professionals do not have to take an unlicenced barely tested vaccine as a condition of employment and they never will. the Flu vaccine is also optional.
 
MsDiz said:
And that 1 in 3 people are asymptomatic so you could easily have it and pass it on to vulnerable people. Especially as you’re a GP and would be working with that group. We don’t vaccinate for ourselves but for others.

Also, the covid long syndrome is affecting more fit and healthy people than you’re clearly aware of.
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So what part of the HSE do you work for? Its not the part that is making absolute mint from corona is it? Do you get paid overtime to promote things?
jus curious
 
novaveritas said:
In the UK unlike progressive Australia medical professionals do not have to take an unlicenced barely tested vaccine as a condition of employment and they never will. the Flu vaccine is also optional
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Hmmm we'll see if we can still go about our daily lives un-vaccinated, or if you'll only be aloud to travel or go to raves and stuff, theaters, cinemas etc if you had proof of vaccination
 
JessFR said:
How do you know that exactly?

If it's undetected preexisting illness how do you know it exists?

It sounds like you're saying "most of them had undetected illness noone knew about... Except me... Somehow". Care to clarify how you can establish this?
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undiagnosed.. then when they get autopsied it becomes clear. GPs are not allowed to cut people open just to have a look around its kinda unethical
 
LoginNotSecure said:
If my body can fight it, then I don’t really see why I’d take the vaccine. I’m not anti vaccination either, just my own personal view and you’re welcome to draw your own conclusions.
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your body can probably fight most vaccine preventable diseases but its not worth the risk.

is this where we find out you're actually naturapathic 'doctor' or a chiropractor with an online medical degree?
 
Fairy of the Flowers said:
Hmmm we'll see if we can still go about our daily lives un-vaccinated, or if you'll only be aloud to travel or go to raves and stuff, theaters, cinemas etc if you had proof of vaccination
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This is classic nudge psychology being deployed by people who are very cynical and calculating and it is a bluff. take the vaccine if you want don't if you don't. What won't work is taking peoples freedom and only giving it back if they get vaccinated because people will take back their freedom anyway.
 
I'm curious how one gets a vaccine for a virus. When I was a kid we got vaccines for diseases
 
novaveritas said:
So what part of the HSE do you work for? Its not the part that is making absolute mint from corona is it? Do you get paid overtime to promote things?
jus curious
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I don’t work for the HSE. I’m making nothing from covid. I am a researcher, I work in a lab and I am pretty good at researching funnily enough! I’ve extensively looked into the statistics surrounding covid. I have looked into the vaccines also. I’ve weighed the pros and cons and for me it makes sense to get the vaccine. We will see the results eventually but covid is doing more extensive damage than people realise.
 
MsDiz said:
Measles is caused by a virus as is smallpox.
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Weren't those eradicated before I was born? I'm not sure how that applies; the flu hasn't been eradicated yet I've never gotten it nor the flu vaccine

I wish there'd have been a bronchitis vaccine when I almost died from it as a kid
 
MsDiz said:
I don’t work for the HSE. I’m making nothing from covid. I am a researcher, I work in a lab and I am pretty good at researching funnily enough! I’ve extensively looked into the statistics surrounding covid. I have looked into the vaccines also. I’ve weighed the pros and cons and for me it makes sense to get the vaccine. We will see the results eventually but covid is doing more extensive damage than people realise.
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You may be right, only time will tell. Covid risk personally is a rounding error in absolute terms therefore so the maximum vaccine benefit is also a rounding error, I doubt it is any different for you. but you can relax knowing your rounding error is 2/3rds smaller and that matters to you.
 
Gormur said:
Weren't those eradicated before I was born? I'm not sure how that applies; the flu hasn't been eradicated yet I've never gotten it nor the flu vaccine
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smallpox was eradicated.

measles is still going strong, we were making progress then antivaxxers fucked it.
 
Fairy of the Flowers said:
Is this on the UK, what hat age groups that? and what age group won't get it as they're young?
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all will be offerred it eventually I presume. In my 30s apparently I won't be eligible till the autumn according to the wonderful Matt Hancock

My view is I don't think *anybody* should be forced to get a vaccine or take any drug - including doctors - it's up to the individual whether to have the jab after weighing up the moral choices.

What seems to be apparent is that the long term consequences of both Covid AND the vaccine are unknowns, so I'm not picking sides here. We each have to make the decision

The rabid anti-vaxers seem to be influenced by the whole 'vaccines give you autism theory' which afaik has been debunked

As Covid seems to be mutating into numerous different strains I'm pretty certain it's here to stay forever in some form, like influenza, no matter how many people get immunity.
 
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