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US Politics The 2021 Former President Trump Thread - I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.

the capital riots
Sorry I wasn't clear, love.
More on the issue(s) of willfully leading people to their deaths by mis/dis-informative "stance" is where I was going.
Obviously, lawyering is not a strong point as some would suspect. They will charge me with murder if I told someone to step off a curb and I knew it was a cliff.
No matter... we all pay in the long run. I ain't wasting too much on it as it is just not worth feeding that parasite. Good riddance to bad rubbish... I hope.
 
All but five Republican Senators voted to challenge the constitutionality of Trump’s trial following impeachment because he’s not in office anymore.
I guess you can do whatever you want in your last days in office as president and not worry about it if your party has enough votes.
I didn’t expect a conviction, but this is such a weak move by Republicans.

 
Rand put up a vote on whether impeachment on somebody out of office is constitutional. 45 republicans voted nay which doesn’t grant 2/3 majority following that.
 
I find it fascinating that the Republicans believe Trump care about any cause like election fraud except as how it pertains to himself.

Excerpt from article:
Some of his advisers are pushing him to focus on getting Republican-controlled state legislatures to make sure pandemic-driven election-law changes are not codified going forward—particularly the widespread use of mail-in ballots. Others are skeptical of that idea. "He doesn't have the attention span to get really deep in the weeds on something like that," says a friend. "He may do a few rallies, but that effort is going to be up to others."


Full Article:
Donald Trump Expects Impeachment Trial to Be 'Badge of Honor'—But Rethinks 2024 Run
Donald Trump's first week out of office ended well. On Tuesday only five Republican senators opposed a motion that declared it unconstitutional to impeach a former president—far from the 17 GOP votes that Democrats would need to find Trump guilty. "He was gratified, because that's certainly his view: that it's unfair and unconstitutional, and he knows it means there's no chance he'll be convicted," says a close friend who spends time with Trump in Mar-a-Lago. (This source and several other Trump friends and advisers requested anonymity in order to speak candidly.) Now Citizen Trump feels confident he'll emerge with a legal and a political win.
Trump has been considering two questions: how to contest the forthcoming Senate trial and how to maintain his political relevance over the next four years. He's getting differing opinions from family members, friends and advisers. Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, former chief White House political strategist Steve Bannon, and a handful of others are pushing him not just to defend against the charge that he incited the January 6th Capitol insurrection, but to use the Senate trial as an opportunity to re-litigate his claims of election fraud in key swing states. "Show everyone the receipts," is how Bannon puts it, referring to evidence of fraud that the Trump team claims to have.

The camp that favors this combative approach got a boost (in their own view at least) when Trump hired the attorney who will defend him. South Carolina lawyer Butch Bowers was recommended to Trump by Senator Lindsey Graham, a friend and fellow JAG officer. Bowers represented former GOP Governors Mark Sanford and Nikki Haley in impeachment and ethics hearings in Columbia, the state capital. But Bowers is also an election law specialist with a particular focus on legal tests over voter ID. That prompted speculation that Bowers might try to make the case that there was, in fact, significant fraud that affected the election outcome.

Daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner, along with friends and informal advisers including Senator Graham, strongly oppose that tack. They believe it will reinforce images of the mob of Trump supporters who had gathered in Washington for a "Stop the Steal" rally. Graham, who has spoken to Trump at least twice since Joe Biden was inaugurated, told him, "You just don't want to go there," according to a source with knowledge of the conversation.

This camp believes there are other ways—and plenty of time—to pursue the issue of election-law reform going forward, and they are urging Trump to lead a movement seeking that. In the meantime, they say, Trump should try to contest legally whether the Senate can in fact try a president who has already left office. And then he should simply fight the the impeachment count in the Senate, arguing that at no point did he incite his supporters to violence. His legal team will point out—as his supporters continually have on social media and conservative chat shows—that he asked them to "peacefully and patriotically" march to the Capitol to protest the certification of the electoral college votes.

The "just get on with it" group had been telling Trump that there was no way the Democrats would get the 17 Republican votes needed for conviction, and the Tuesday vote made this argument even stronger. When 45 GOP senators, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, voted for the motion declaring a Senate trial to be unconstitutional, it effectively meant game over, as even some Democrats privately conceded. "The impeachment trial is dead on arrival," said Senator Rand Paul, who introduced the motion.

That message, said the Palm Beach friend who has spoken with Trump and his inner circle, has gotten through. "He'll let Bowers handle the trial in a straightforward way, without litigating the election fraud stuff. The president will be acquitted again, and then he'll use his two acquittals as a badge of honor with his base."

And then? Before January 6, Trump was likely to run again in 2024, using the "we was robbed" theme as the starting point for a campaign of revenge. The Capitol riot and the political fallout may have prompted him to rethink, two sources say. When asked by a journalist last week what his plans were for '24, Trump response was cryptic: "We'll be back in some form."

Some of his advisers are pushing him to focus on getting Republican-controlled state legislatures to make sure pandemic-driven election-law changes are not codified going forward—particularly the widespread use of mail-in ballots. Others are skeptical of that idea. "He doesn't have the attention span to get really deep in the weeds on something like that," says a friend. "He may do a few rallies, but that effort is going to be up to others."

Some of his friends have speculated he may try to form a media company—possibly a social media company to compete with Facebook and Twitter, both of which have banned him. But that's much easier said than done; raising the money and hiring the people necessary to stand up a credible competitor is a lot of work. "There's this perception among people who are illiterate in business that Trump can just snap his fingers and get stuff done in media or real estate or whatever, but that's just not so, particularly now," says a business friend of Trump's. ''His 'brand' has taken a hit, particularly in the areas of media and finance," says this friend.

Those pushing him to run again for president say the idea that his "brand" has been hurt is nonsense. They point to a recent NBC News poll showing that 87 percent of GOP voters still support him, even after January 6. ''If he's so damaged, why are the Democrats so worried about his running [in 2024] that they need to impeach him again," Giuliani asked on his podcast recently. (A conviction in the Senate would preclude Trump from seeking public office again.)

The next election is still a long way off, and the mercurial Trump could change his mind about his political future every day for the next two-and-a-half years. One option that the former president is said to be mulling, according to two of his friends, is to bestow the mantle of ''Trumpism" on someone else. ''Should he not run, could I see him giving his full backing to a Trump-like successor," says one of the friends. "Sure."

Who might that be? Until very recently, one name that routinely popped up was former South Carolina Governor and UN ambassador Nikki Haley, whom Trump liked. But the former president is said to have been angered by Haley's appearance on Laura Ingraham's television show in late January. Haley criticized Trump not only for his handling of the events of January 6, but also for his attempts to undermine the results of the November election in the preceding two months. That criticism will be seen as an act of disloyalty and probably rules out future Trump support, friends say.

There are other alternatives. Foremost among them, say Trump aides and friends, is the young governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis. Like Trump, he gets feisty with the press; like Trump, he not only favored keeping the economy open during the pandemic, but as governor he actually did so. Trump likes DeSantis, admires his combativeness and knows he's smart: "smart as hell," says the Florida business friend of Trump's. (DeSantis is a graduate of Yale College and Harvard Law School.) Could Trump, should he choose not to run, get behind DeSantis for 2024? ''It's probably premature to say that," the friend says, ''but yeah, I'd say, watch that space."
 
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All five of Trump’s defense lawyers for his impeachment trial have quit. Of course he wants to rehash arguments about how the election was stolen from him instead of arguing that an impeachment trial is not appropriate for someone who no longer holds an office.

He’s got less than two weeks to find a new team.

 
I can’t believe how unforced most of Trump’s mistakes are. I wonder how the Republicans in the Senate are going to react to this nightmare of a trial.
And who on earth will agree to represent Trump with less than two weeks to prepare?
 
Apparently we have our answer:

Trump announces new legal team for second impeachment trial​

Former President Trump announced on Sunday that lawyers David Schoen and Bruce L. Castor Jr. will lead his defense at his upcoming impeachment trial.

Why it matters: The hiring comes a day after news broke that South Carolina lawyers Butch Bowers and Deborah Barbier had left the team, due in part to the fact that Trump wanted them to argue the election was stolen rather than focus on the constitutionality of the trial, CNN reported.

Driving the news: According to the statement from Trump's office, Schoen had "already been working with the 45th President and other advisors to prepare for the upcoming trial" and that lawyers "agree that this impeachment is unconstitutional."

Of note: Trump's trial begins Feb. 8.Trump was impeached by the House before he left office earlier this month for "incitement of insurrection" over the U.S. Capitol riots.

  • Forty-five Senate Republicans, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, supported an effort to dismiss his trial earlier this month, arguing it would not be constitutional to convict a former president.
Go deeper: Democrats plan to marshal video, audio for Trump trial
 
All five of Trump’s defense lawyers for his impeachment trial have quit. Of course he wants to rehash arguments about how the election was stolen from him instead of arguing that an impeachment trial is not appropriate for someone who no longer holds an office.

He’s got less than two weeks to find a new team.


This is the problem trump has. He thinks he knows better than everyone and needs to feel in control.

Sooo, he either hires good lawyers who inevitably quit when they find him impossible to work with, or he hires lawyers who are lawyers in name only who are willing to play along with him, and they don't get anywhere because they're completely incompetent.

As usual, because trump is such a bad boss and such a bad person in general, he can either have incompetent sycophantic yes men. Or he can have competent people who inevitably quit when they see what he's like.
 
Hopefully they do so badly that he is banned from ever holding office again.

I don't know the rules, and I doubt anything at a state level would satisfy his ego. But would impeachment block him from being President, or being elected to VP as well?

As to your excerpt above of

Some of his advisers are pushing him to focus on getting Republican-controlled state legislatures to make sure pandemic-driven election-law changes are not codified going forward—particularly the widespread use of mail-in ballots. Others are skeptical of that idea. "He doesn't have the attention span to get really deep in the weeds on something like that," says a friend. "He may do a few rallies, but that effort is going to be up to others."


This surprises me not at all. If it doesn't help him, he's not going to do it. And THAT will be him kicking the legs out from under himself, as he seems quite proficient at doing.
 
But would impeachment block him from being President, or being elected to VP as well?
If the Senate were to convict (it takes a two-thirds majority vote for it to happen), a separate vote would then be held on whether to disqualify him from holding a future federal office. That vote takes a simple majority.
There’s a second way:
In an opinion piece published in the Washington Post on Monday, Yale Law School professor Bruce Ackerman and Indiana University law professor Gerard Magliocca argued that members of Congress had another, perhaps easier, path to barring Trump from office.

They pointed to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, aimed at preventing people from holding federal office if they are deemed to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution.

The professors write that if a majority vote of both houses agree that Trump has engaged in an act of “insurrection or rebellion,” then he would be barred from running for the White House again. Only a two-thirds vote of each house of Congress in the future could undo that result.

The sole article of impeachment adopted Wednesday cited that provision of the Constitution and said Trump should be disqualified from holding future office.

I assume he could still run for state office. The Constitution specifies “any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States”, but for some reason I think the Senate’s conviction is only applicable to federal office. I can’t imagine Trump running for a state office either. And I can’t imagine Trump as someone’s VP.
 
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I almost forgot about Trump until I saw this today:



This nonsense used to upset me so much, now I can just laugh at the absurdity of it all. It should go without saying, this was Newsmax anchors out of all stations.
 
BTW who renamed my Biden and Trump threads and stuck that shit on the end? Cause I love it. :D
They're both great quote choices. :D
 
I almost forgot about Trump until I saw this today:



This nonsense used to upset me so much, now I can just laugh at the absurdity of it all. It should go without saying, this was Newsmax anchors out of all stations.


lord have mercy
 
BTW who renamed my Biden and Trump threads and stuck that shit on the end? Cause I love it. :D
They're both great quote choices. :D
I commented on this yesterday (either here or on the other thread).

I thought it was you i.e. the ever evolving title comments on both kinda fit the profile! 🤣
 
lord have mercy

What a cast of characters right?

I don't think we'll ever see anything like it again (which is probably a good thing lol). So many moments and personalities of the Trump presidency were almost like we came to a juncture in the space-time continuum and somehow went down the "alternative universe" route
 
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