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The investor also predicts the post-vaccine economy will be strong and momentum will develop on the back of pent-up demand, while stocks in depressed industries like hospitality and airlines will rally. The unemployment rate will fall to 5% and 2021 will mark the beginning of the "longest economic cycle in history, surpassing the cycle that lasted from 2010 to 2020."

Wien added that inflation will increase modestly, and as a result, gold will rally and cryptocurrencies will "gain more respect during the year."

We about to go into some crazy shit.

I'm gonna get into some airlines too like I was saying. Super cheap and we know airlines will be back in 20 years. Casinos and entertainment too haven't really recovered. MGM looks like its coming back up already.

And shit BTC probably gonna rip it. Definitely check RIOT stock. Blockchain shit and also they mine BTC. Its going up huge daily. I would drop that $1500 in naked calls for like 5/21 and turn it into 100k. However we still have to see whats up with BTC. Algos still following s&p for the most part, but from what I read dollar gonna die and now banks are gonna start to hedge with it. (gold is standard hedge since day 1). But with how limited BTC is, prices may go wild. lol never thought I would see the day BTC no longer a joker.

Phama shit is good funeral father. A tad risky but you dont make money in stocks by being non risky. No fun in that anyway.

If Democrats win tonight, tomorrow will be a blood bath I think. Yolo friday puts before close would of been wise on spy.
 
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Looking at RIOT right now.

I definitely was thinking about airlines, but it seems like there's no hurry there.

Would be nice to flip some small cash into much bigger cash in the shorter term and then do something less risky with it. $1500 aint gonna break me in the least.
 
The weed company stock I own (my only one so far, lol, I bought it like a year ago or so) jumped 8% at market open today, nice. It looks like the market might be responding pretty positively to news of the dem win(s) in GA. Of course it's only been open for a half hour so who knows.

After checking out RIOT, I want to get some. I put in an order for some shares last night, then canceled it because I wasn't sure if right now was a good time, with election results and whatnot. It's going up a lot so far today. I wish I had more investing experience, it's hard for me to tell what to look for. Ultimately if my plan is to hold on and wait for company growth in the medium-term or long-term, it probably doesn't greatly matter when I buy in, right? But if we're going to have a big correction soon, it would make sense to buy in then, and not now. I guess that's why it's gambling.

Next time BTC corrects, I am certainly going to get some of that to hold long-term. Seems pretty clear it's here to stay but I think it would be dumb to buy it right now, assuming it keeps following past trends (which it may not)
 
Yes, I like uranium as well, I think is a good pick to be in the energy game. I have that problem with commodities that I see them too volatile, too prone to technical improvements that presses prices down... but I think we are now in the lows of the commodity cycle.

Demand for nuclear fell because of Fukushima way back in 2011 and as of now only 10 of the 54 reactors the Japanese shut down are back to operating, so the demand is still being suppressed.

In the meantime there has been more demand for LNG to offset the loss of nuclear power generation, so uranium + LNG is a good pairing for energy sector balance.

After checking out RIOT, I want to get some. I put in an order for some shares last night, then canceled it because I wasn't sure if right now was a good time, with election results and whatnot. It's going up a lot so far today. I wish I had more investing experience, it's hard for me to tell what to look for. Ultimately if my plan is to hold on and wait for company growth in the medium-term or long-term, it probably doesn't greatly matter when I buy in, right? But if we're going to have a big correction soon, it would make sense to buy in then, and not now. I guess that's why it's gambling.

I like Porter's Five Forces as a method for analyzing a company's potential, because it's simple but effective.

If we take pot companies, for example, a company that doesn't have a strategy to overcome the threat of new entrants is likely to fail Five Forces analysis. The barrier to entry in this industry is virtually nothing, so defense against upstart competitors is vital for survival.

Companies producing (or trading) common goods can fail due to the threat of substitutes, so the core business model has to come with a built-in defense against that.

One example of that is McDonald's, which is actually a real estate company, even though the cash flow comes from slinging fast food. Another example is Dollar General, which likewise sells crap anyone could sell, but in locations where nobody else can do it profitably.

Five Forces analysis is also relevant for companies dealing in intangible goods (i.e. software), where you wouldn't expect to have to deal with the bargaining power of suppliers.

Did you hear about how Google workers formed a union?


Unions are a form of bargaining power of suppliers, where labour forms a large part of the input that the company turns into profit.

Software is also an industry with virtually no barrier to entry, which is why the major tech companies are all domiciled in the U.S. where strong patent protection defends them against the threat of new entrants.

In conclusion, Five Forces analysis is a good, simple way to suss out what the major threats to a company's profitability are, and whether the core business model has a defense baked in to handle those threats.
 
I liked books, like that of Pat Dorsey "The Little Book that builds wealth", or that one "The Little Book if Common Sense Investing" John C Bogle. Praise to him. Those books helped me to understand what's investing about.

But I don't have enough time to seriously analyse antmy company and I just borrow ideas on fintwit
 
Well RIOT gonna follow BTC not the market really. BTC may just go straight the fuck up and RIOT will too. When BTC corrects so will RIOT I know that much.

Check out MARA too. Crypto shit that is ripping.

When the s&p corrects will see what happens to btc. It will maybe sell off but get bought right back up.

Biden talking is having positive effects on the maket and btc. And if all these stimulus come (at high levels with dollar being depleted the more they give and have to print) maybe no correction LOL. And BTC will keep going up for sure.
 
Yeah, the one you could of gotten for 90 cents in the begging of the year. Those 2 stocks came up big with btc. They mine btc for a business. Same as riot basically.
 
Yeah looking at them since you posted.

I decided to pick up a conservative position on each of RIOT and MARA, a small portion of what I might want in total dependent on how it goes, but will wait to see what happens in the near future to pick up more. I learned from my crypto initiation (a disaster in the end) not to get too excited, or put all my eggs in one basket, or risk more than what, if I lost it, wouldn't particularly hurt.
 
Looking at some other BTC miners... what do you think about BFARF (Bitfarms)? Much lower price still, but following the same trend of ballooning daily in the past few days.
 
Be careful though. You would probably lose half your money faster there than btc. But you will most likely gain, and it will lots of %.
 
Right that's my thought. High risk high reward with some chump change, turn it into better cash, start building a real portfolio.
 
Question (thanks for all the help/suggestions by the way): if I have been holding a stock for, say, a month, and sell it after it, say, triples, expecting a downturn, and that USD never leaves the exchange, and I used it to buy something else... am I obligated to pay income tax on the profit from selling one I 3xd on? I know when you pull profits out, you only get the capital gains tax rate if you've owned the stock for over a year. But I wasn't sure if every individual transaction was subject to that, if you're just temporarily holding the USD in reserve and it never leaves the exchange? I have always been unclear on that.

Say you bought something for $200 and it ballooned to $2000, thus making $1800 in profit, but you immediately put that $1800 into something else, that you held a lot longer. It would suck to have to pay $360 off of that $1800 profit in taxes even though you immediately re-invested it.

Seems like day traders couldn't make money then... although if they were working with huge sums, even taxing it at 40% or whatever would still yield plenty of profit. But with multiple trades per day, it seems like that would get insanely complicated, tax-wise, if you had to pay on every momentary gain, the money of which you never even removed from the exchange into your private accounts.
 
i know at least here if if your retirement funds are in foreign investments each day is taxed on what money is made its pretty fucked not sure how america works. I think america is different. Here in NZ day trading on forgien markets is just so fucked tax wise that everybody jsut moves to america or europe to do it
 
Well I'm trading on the American markets, so not foreign.

I know if you take profits for a stock you've owned less than a year, you pay normal income tax on it, but if you take profits after a year, you pay I think only $15 for capital gains tax rate (much lower). I'm just unclear on whether a series of quick buy/sell/buy something else with stuff you've owned less time, but without taking profits by pulling off the exchange, is taxed.
 
Man BTC getting close to $38K. Fuckin wild. If it doesn't have a big crash/correction after this exponential fomo climb, but would goo to buy some even if only to sell it at a modest gain when it shows signs of stalling. But the last big spike, I bought in right around here and fucked myself.
 
I been waiting it out mainly because i don't have alot of extra cash to invest as im moving to the city near march. And i want to maxmize the profit i believe a correction is due but with the state of the world and now bigger players involved with BTC i don't really know what to expect i never expected to see it reaching that high by the end of 2020.
 
You know what Xorkoth, when BTC hit the bottom last year Mrs Chesire_Kat and I discussed things over and decided to sell ours off while it still had some value. When I went to sell it I discovered that my old wallet had been deprecated due to security problems and I had to buy a newer version to access my BTC. They were in short supply so I had to wait for a few weeks and by the time my new wallet arrived BTC was already recovering so I put off selling.

I was so close to selling at the bottom it's not even funny.

Everything I gained from BTC is total luck. Left to my own devices I would have made real bad mistakes twice already.
 
Question (thanks for all the help/suggestions by the way): if I have been holding a stock for, say, a month, and sell it after it, say, triples, expecting a downturn, and that USD never leaves the exchange, and I used it to buy something else... am I obligated to pay income tax on the profit from selling one I 3xd on? I know when you pull profits out, you only get the capital gains tax rate if you've owned the stock for over a year. But I wasn't sure if every individual transaction was subject to that, if you're just temporarily holding the USD in reserve and it never leaves the exchange? I have always been unclear on that.

Say you bought something for $200 and it ballooned to $2000, thus making $1800 in profit, but you immediately put that $1800 into something else, that you held a lot longer. It would suck to have to pay $360 off of that $1800 profit in taxes even though you immediately re-invested it.

Seems like day traders couldn't make money then... although if they were working with huge sums, even taxing it at 40% or whatever would still yield plenty of profit. But with multiple trades per day, it seems like that would get insanely complicated, tax-wise, if you had to pay on every momentary gain, the money of which you never even removed from the exchange into your private accounts.

The way that works is yes you pay tax. You sold a stock. If money leaves exchange or not, doesn't matter. Most exchanges will give a small % interest for idle cash.

On taxes now if you hold less than a year you pay more tax. Short term capital gains. If you hold more than a year its called long term capital gains.


Basically you get a tax break if you held over a year is how it works. Like 5% break.

You pay tax only on profits. If you bought $1500 of stocks, and sold it for $1600 then you owe on $100.

This is why some people will never sell since then you don't owe taxes. The average hold time for stock pros is 3-5 years. They certainly enter a position and are looking to hold over a year thats for sure. This back and forth non stop trading is day trader newbie shit. Warren Buffet average hold time is 20 years!!

Losses will help negate gains.

But it doesnt matter if money left the exchange. Once you sold the stock its included in the taxes. And yes, I bet lots of day traders don't know this and going to have to bring their shit to h&R block to let them figure it all out LOL.
 
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Oh you already said that lol.

But ts 15%, not dollars. If you made profits, you still made profits. Its just treated like a 10-99.
 
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