Conspiracy Theories (“Alternative Research”)

[JGrimez]

@JGrimez and @OpiateKiller are you of the view that all the issues you have identified justify and/or will inevitably lead to a widespread popular armed uprising in the United States in the forseeable future?

If the government violates the social contract and engages in financial mismanagement (and arguably terrorism against its citizens) then it ceases to be legitimate.

Look at my homies in Bosnia. Mofos went on the streets for weeks on end, throwing rocks through politicians' windows and shit. What happens? The state's highest court rules that masks and lockdowns are against human rights.

People 1-0 Psychos

 

[Jabberwocky]

If the government violates the social contract and engages in financial mismanagement (and arguably terrorism against its citizens) then it ceases to be legitimate.

I agree the State must adhere to the Social Contract however I’m curious as to what historical precedents advocates of a new American Revolution draw on to think that a mob uprising leads to greater freedom and less terror.

I’m not taking the piss here but since the French Revolution people’s revolutions seem to have led to a great deal savagery and violence in which the population has suffered enormously.

I struggle to imagine it would be different in present day America. If the libertarians overturned the established order I can’t see anything other than a widespread fall in the standard of living and ultimately the emergence of a new autocracy to control whatever is left of the state.

Do you guys ever talk about what comes after the uprising?

 

[Jabberwocky]

It must be said that the origin of the virus has not been established yet and that "Wuhan lab accident" hypothesis is still on the table. Several very sound and important scientists are not discarding that scenario. Infact the guy who first isolated HIV virus said that this virus looks like being manipulated in lab. There are many credible scientists that are keeping the Wuhan lab leak open and until the definitive source is found it will stay as one of main options. Now, even if virus escaped Wuhan lab there is altogether different question - was it let on purpuse? There is big difference between human mistake and biological warfare. But, yes, "Wuhan Lab leak hypothesis" is at this time still open for discussion. Especially with China being so open and frank about it...and all other their business...

 

[ions]

@Psycho_Logic your government is lying to you. The media manipulates the truth to appeal to sell more stories.

 

[Jabberwocky]

@ions and what's the new news? It's not just goverment and media, it's also pharmaceutical industry, car manufacturing industry, corrupt cops, my neigbor and my kid that would like to manipulate me into buying him PlayStation... As one very wise man said - everybody lies...

 

[ions]

@ions and what's the new news? It's not just goverment and media, it's also pharmaceutical industry, car manufacturing industry, corrupt cops, my neigbor and my kid that would like to manipulate me into buying him PlayStation... As one very wise man said - everybody lies...

Well I’d like to drain the swamp and overthrow the republic. Government is a self destructive entity

 

[alasdairm]

This goes beyond bullshit political disagreements between drug addicts on a message board. There is something that we should all agree on - and that's that we want freedom and not to be enslaved. But because we're being baited by petty squabbles

it's hard for me to believe that you sincerely believe this. they say if you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem. the solution here would include building bridges, finding common ground with those who disagree with you, empathy, etc.

insulting people who disagree with you - telling them they're blind/stupid/asleep/etc.- just perpetuates, and adds fuel to, the disagreement and stokes the squabbles. simply put, part of the problem.

days until joe biden is inaugurated: 21

alasdair

 

[JGrimez]

I agree the State must adhere to the Social Contract however I’m curious as to what historical precedents advocates of a new American Revolution draw on to think that a mob uprising leads to greater freedom and less terror.

I’m not taking the piss here but since the French Revolution people’s revolutions seem to have led to a great deal savagery and violence in which the population has suffered enormously.

I struggle to imagine it would be different in present day America. If the libertarians overturned the established order I can’t see anything other than a widespread fall in the standard of living and ultimately the emergence of a new autocracy to control whatever is left of the state.

Do you guys ever talk about what comes after the uprising?

Let's be clear - I would much rather the government did their job and looked after the people.

But some of us are going to have to accept that there are very dark, powerful people who run the world.

So yeah I think a lot of people would rather fight and die on their feet than be enslaved on their knees.

 

[JGrimez]

it's hard for me to believe that you sincerely believe this. they say if you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem. the solution here would include building bridges, finding common ground with those who disagree with you, empathy, etc.

insulting people who disagree with you - telling them they're blind/stupid/asleep/etc.- just perpetuates, and adds fuel to, the disagreement and stokes the squabbles. simply put, part of the problem.

days until joe biden is inaugurated: 21

alasdair

It's hard for you to believe that because it's hard for you to believe anything I say.
I am building common ground by trying to get people to realize what's happening now (although it may be kinda fruitless at this point).
If I refer to someone as asleep it's not necessarily an insult, it simply describes their state of being (I was the same once upon a time).
If you get more offended by that then what's happening to each and everyone one of us at the hands of tyrannical governments then you need to re-prioritize.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I just made a total post wondering if you were ok, @OpiateKiller i seen one saying you were going into recovery and I been praying for you I know some may find that offensive but idc. Anyways, I’m not going offer guidance I read the first few post and stopped, but all the pawns are set. Trump won’t win, and we will see a Biden bend over backwards to win everyone to his side, assuring reelection 2024 unless Jesus comes back now or tomorrow, etc etc, this is at what point Kamala will become president of the United States. Only to be set for a global order, we are aligning and this election was rigged but I agree the only thing worth focusing on is bettering ourselves. Vaccines, martial law, murder, genocide, covid 20 is here. I doubt it’s a election matter more of a kill the old population reduction, instill fear to the youth, get them young and you will have them forever. But regardless I’m just happy your alive my prayers was answered you helped me a while back and I don’t forget that so the rest of this. Not me at all, no negatives before my trip. I have to beat this disease.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Let's be clear - I would much rather the government did their job and looked after the people.

But some of us are going to have to accept that there are very dark, powerful people who run the world.

So yeah I think a lot of people would rather fight and die on their feet than be enslaved on their knees.

Lol, the minority will. The majority care about themselves, vanity, material. They will follow whatever directive that provides that. We are still 50 years off from my foresight, from real “darkness” Covid was a test run, to see if people are ready, 9/11 the same, But you can’t occupy the die for your right mentality. You will die one day, holding onto life is pointless. Maybe not a belief to some , as that’s all we have in order to get me to renounce my beliefs. I will have to die. But my addictions doing enough for me. They got a slice of pie for everyone.

 

[Jabberwocky]

But some of us are going to have to accept that there are very dark, powerful people who run the world.

This is the essence of it all. Government isn't making the rules, they are just enforcing them. Companies like Google, Apple, Facebook, Exxon, Bayer, Goldman Sachs...have more money than most of worlds countries. Money equals power and companies are electing their representatives to serve them. USA elections, like any other elections are bought by the companies that "donate" campaign money. I won't go into the nature of this companies as I believe that their nature is "profit by any means necessary". Also I dont think anything can be resolved by revolution/uprising because the ones who govern know the dynamics of that process and will again end on top. In my view better world can be accomplished only by the force of individuals who live their lives in a way that actually makes a world a better place. That means boycotting any company that is doing things you oppose, as we are voting with our money. It also means acting in accordance to ones true beliefs even if it opposes some law or can get you fired. This kind of things can seem drastic but compare them with revolution and warfare and it doesn't seem so radical. This is not a very popular message but it is the only way I see how things can change. Problem is one of game theory because nobody can guarantee that things will turn for the better even if you risk your job trying to do the right thing as no-one knows how many people just say that they want a better world but by that they mean "better world for me". It is a conundrum but acting the way you feel is right and not in a way that will get you the most (money, status, security) , is in my view the best bet for a fair society. I'm done with my rant.

 

[Jabberwocky]

This is the essence of it all. Government isn't making the rules, they are just enforcing them. Companies like Google, Apple, Facebook, Exxon, Bayer, Goldman Sachs...have more money than most of worlds countries. Money equals power and companies are electing their representatives to serve them. USA elections, like any other elections are bought by the companies that "donate" campaign money. I won't go into the nature of this companies as I believe that their nature is "profit by any means necessary". Also I dont think anything can be resolved by revolution/uprising because the ones who govern know the dynamics of that process and will again end on top. In my view better world can be accomplished only by the force of individuals who live their lives in a way that actually makes a world a better place. That means boycotting any company that is doing things you oppose, as we are voting with our money. It also means acting in accordance to ones true beliefs even if it opposes some law or can get you fired. This kind of things can seem drastic but compare them with revolution and warfare and it doesn't seem so radical. This is not a very popular message but it is the only way I see how things can change. Problem is one of game theory because nobody can guarantee that things will turn for the better even if you risk your job trying to do the right thing as no-one knows how many people just say that they want a better world but by that they mean "better world for me". It is a conundrum but acting the way you feel is right and not in a way that will get you the most (money, status, security) , is in my view the best bet for a fair society. I'm done with my rant.

Love it!

 

[cduggles]

So this thread started with a tweet about a conspiracy theory that Biden knew about COVID-19, I guess before the Chinese unleashed it on the world or something. Now it’s about the dark forces that run the world.

This thread is probably going to be merged with the Biden thread, the COVID thread, and/or the conspiracy theory thread.

Any particular preference, @OpiateKiller? The staff will take your preference into account.

 

[JessFR]

I agree the State must adhere to the Social Contract however I’m curious as to what historical precedents advocates of a new American Revolution draw on to think that a mob uprising leads to greater freedom and less terror.

I’m not taking the piss here but since the French Revolution people’s revolutions seem to have led to a great deal savagery and violence in which the population has suffered enormously.

I struggle to imagine it would be different in present day America. If the libertarians overturned the established order I can’t see anything other than a widespread fall in the standard of living and ultimately the emergence of a new autocracy to control whatever is left of the state.

Do you guys ever talk about what comes after the uprising?

They don't even seem to talk about what comes during the uprising. Seems like they're supposed to just all decide at once "it's time to have the uprising!" patriotic music plays in their heads, we have a montage and then cut to a new government bring formed.

The closest thing to coordination for most of them seems to be chatting about conspiracies at the gun range, or chatting about conspiracies on the internet.

 

[JessFR]

It's hard for you to believe that because it's hard for you to believe anything I say.
I am building common ground by trying to get people to realize what's happening now (although it may be kinda fruitless at this point).
If I refer to someone as asleep it's not necessarily an insult, it simply describes their state of being (I was the same once upon a time).
If you get more offended by that then what's happening to each and everyone one of us at the hands of tyrannical governments then you need to re-prioritize.

Haha. I gotta remember that.

Alrighty. So next time if I call you a dumbass, remember. That's not an insult. I'll just be describing your state of being. I say it with love because I want to help you. :D

Wait... Isn't this the same argument the Westboro Baptist church uses?

That when they picket funerals they're doing a loving thing because the Bible tells them to show people their transgressions? Cry aloud spare not and all that?

Ok so here's the thing.

WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU. see how that works? See, we know your arguments (hard not too when you shout em so loud), we just don't agree.

 

[Jabberwocky]

They don't even seem to talk about what comes during the uprising. Seems like they're supposed to just all decide at once "it's time to have the uprising!" patriotic music plays in their heads, we have a montage and then cut to a new government bring formed.

The closest thing to coordination for most of them seems to be chatting about conspiracies at the gun range, or chatting about conspiracies on the internet.

You are wrong! It has been known since Nostradamus that after first black president of USA there will come The Last One - the savioir! So, just about when the guns should start firing, big white light emanating from Trumps forehead will appear in the sky. Golden chariot with Jesus in it will blast through the golden opening in the bright light. The Saviour will come and it will all be as it is written. Some say it's just a part of it, we gotta fulfil The Book. After Jesus Himself comes down he will judge people based on heaviness of their sins. If your hart is lighter than a feather of truth you get to live in the new paradise. Wait, isn't that from some other mythology? Egypt or some other older one... Who cares...

So it goes like this:
1) Black president aka Obama the antichrist
2) Last president of USA that will fight in the name of God aka Trump
3) In the last moment as forces of darkness threaten the light it is time for Jesus to come again
4) Judgment day
5) Everybody with heart easier than a feather of truth , measured by the scales of juistice, gets to live in the new paradise.

Others - tough luck. You should have been listening to your cardiologist and eat healthier.

Or so I heard somewhere

Sorry once again, I just cant help myself...and I am even not leaving on the same continent.

 

[JessFR]

Bahaha. Yeaaah. Trumps a soldier for God. Imperfect vessel and all that. :D

Man God must really be desperate if trumps the best he can do.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Bahaha. Yeaaah. Trumps a soldier for God. Imperfect vessel and all that. :D

Man God must really be desperate if trumps the best he can do.

Man please don't insult God Almighty, He (or She/It/Zer...I cant follow all the pronounce anymore ☹) can do anything.

Trump is His biggest challenge so far and thus is the great finale! What you don't get about this perfect plann????

P.S. I am having fun but am in no way, shape or form, am trying to insult somebody's faith. If you feel triggered I am truly sorry. Maybe we could organise some safe spaces here on forum.

 

[JessFR]

Man please don't insult God Almighty, He (or She/It/Zer...I cant follow all the pronounce anymore ☹) can do anything.

Trump is His biggest challenge so far and thus is the great finale! What you don't get about this perfect plann????

P.S. I am having fun but am in no way, shape or form, am trying to insult somebody's faith. If you feel triggered I am truly sorry. Maybe we could organise some safe spaces here on forum.

The only people insulting God are the ones that claim God would have trump as their instrument, a womanizing narcissistic adulterous shit bag who worships nothing but himself and uses the Bible as a prop. :D