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Conspiracies The Plot To Steal America - Watch this video with an OPEN MIND

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Atelier3 said:
I hear you. But affordable universal health care, quality education, affordable housing and community cohesion can also be seen as principles. Quite good ones that don’t often result in mass shooting deaths, runaway crime, a giant underclass, and a lot of unrestrained fuckwits with megaphones.
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I agree. But I'd submit it doesn't have to be one or the other.

There are things I hate about America and things I hate about Australia, and things I love about both.

And I wouldn't say any of it strikes me as shit that is mutually exclusive, I see no reason either country couldn't have all of the good and none of the bad.


America could have saner health care systems, a less punitive justice system. Australia could get rid of its insane rules of self defense that make pepper spray or body armor illegal. Australia could have American style freedom of speech (not that most Australians seem to even want it). American style rights such as a right to a lawyer, etc.

The only insane part of America I can't see being fixable realistically is the gun issue. Because it needs a referendum to do it legally, and the level of consensus required and how hard it would be to negotiate makes fixing it virtually impossible.

In summery, there's a lot I love about Australia. I'd even go so far as to say that on basic measures of livability, Australia is pretty much the objectively better place to live.

That however does not make my complaints about what I don't like about Australia untrue. I hate that there's such a limited freedom of speech. I hate that there isn't a right to legal representation. I hate that you can't even carry fucking pepper spray to defend yourself yet I've seen soooo many guns in the hands of criminals. And most of all I hate hearing Australians defend it out of some misguided fear of americanization or some shit.
 
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JessFR said:
I agree. But I'd submit it doesn't have to be one or the other.

There are things I hate about America and things I hate about Australia, and things I love about both.

And I wouldn't say any of it strikes me as shit that is mutually exclusive, I see no reason either country couldn't have all of the good and none of the bad.


America could have saner health care systems, a less punitive justice system. Australia could get rid of its insane rules of self defense that make pepper spray or body armor illegal. Australia could have American style freedom of speech (not that most Australians seem to even want it). American style rights such as a right to a lawyer, etc.

The only insane part of America I can't see being fixable realistically is the gun issue. Because it needs a referendum to do it legally, and the level of consensus required and how hard it would be to negotiate makes fixing it virtually impossible.

In summery, there's a lot I love about Australia. I'd even go so far as to say that on basic measures of livability, Australia is pretty much the objectively better place to live.

That however does not make my complaints about what I don't like about Australia untrue.
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Agreed. I wasn’t really trying to argue Australia is better in my first post - I just wanted to remark on how different are the things that seem to drive politics.
 
Atelier3 said:
Agreed. I wasn’t really trying to argue Australia is better in my first post - I just wanted to remark on how different are the things that seem to drive politics.
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Well your point in that sense is probably true yeah. And American politics has truly lost it in the last 5 years.

I honestly wanna cry at how bad things have gotten. There's never been a time in my life when I've been more grateful I get to live in australia than now. And how bad things have gotten in America is the primary reason.

It's just some Australian shit still annoys me a lot is all ;)
 
Trump man.

If he acted swiftly, checks would be deposited tomorrow. Instead the usa in limbo. And unemployment benefits won't be extended either. He has until midnight. Or else he is fucking lots. I know too many that are gonna be fucked since their job is closed / laid off. Also this is the vaccine funding in there!!! They need this to be processed right away. This guy is not cool.
 
Y’all are so full of hatred it’s incredible.

Trump just posted 2,000 for singles and $4,000 for those with children.

Hes doing everything he can against a senate and Congress full of 80 year old people like Nancy Pelosi, literal devils creatures bathed in the blood of satan.
 
OpiateKiller said:
Y’all are so full of hatred it’s incredible.

Trump just posted 2,000 for singles and $4,000 for those with children.

Hes doing everything he can against a senate and Congress full of 80 year old people like Nancy Pelosi, literal devils creatures bathed in the blood of satan.
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Uhh, no. Lol.

Well yes I do hate trump. Hate a lot of his supporters too. Traitors to their country to my mind.

But no, trump is refusing to sign the bill for the latest in a line of bs reasons, and if it's not overridden it will hurt millions of Americans. For the record, Pelosi wanted the larger about of money too.

So no.
 
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OpiateKiller said:
Y’all are so full of hatred it’s incredible.

Trump just posted 2,000 for singles and $4,000 for those with children.

Hes doing everything he can against a senate and Congress full of 80 year old people like Nancy Pelosi, literal devils creatures bathed in the blood of satan.
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The only thing I see him doing is throwing Republicans under the bus and causing more chaos, typical day for Trump. No big deal.
 
alasdairm said:
one "good" thing does not negate all the bad things.

alasdair
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Trumps only done a couple good things and they were all unintentional on his part. :P

Deru said:
The only thing I see him doing is throwing Republicans under the bus and causing more chaos, typical day for Trump. No big deal.
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Isn't it great. He's gonna hand the democrats the senate because he's such a pathetic whiney toddler he hates his own party for not sucking up enough. :D
 
JessFR said:
Isn't it great. He's gonna hand the democrats the senate because he's such a pathetic whiney toddler he hates his own party for not sucking up enough. :D
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Yup, it is great. I'm not even sure Trump is attempting to play chess anymore here, I think he's just throwing the pieces all over the board because he realized he can't figure out how to win.
 
Yeah he gave up.

Its over, bill not signed. Like 7 day minimum delay on peoples money that have been waiting and waiting. And they thought it was coming. But trump no sign. I hate that motherfucker.

Also there was money for vaccine shipments. Terrible situation.
 
You guys are in for a wild surprise aren't you 😂

Literally hundred's of thousands if not millions are Trump supporters are planning on being in DC January 6th.

I've seen a Facebook page with 150,000 people marked as attending already. And another 500,000 considering.

If you think this war is over, it's just begun.

And I'm a peace guy, I'm trying to quit drugs right now I don't need war. But it's fuckin coming

I think it's terrible idea and blood will spill in the streets as chaos erupts to the likes of this country has never seen before.

But fuck it, we need a second revolution anyways. Our system is broken. Trump or not, it's broken all the way through.
 
OpiateKiller said:
You guys are in for a wild surprise aren't you 😂

Literally hundred's of thousands if not millions are Trump supporters are planning on being in DC January 6th.

I've seen a Facebook page with 150,000 people marked as attending already. And another 500,000 considering.

If you think this war is over, it's just begun.

And I'm a peace guy, I'm trying to quit drugs right now I don't need war. But it's fuckin coming

I think it's terrible idea and blood will spill in the streets as chaos erupts to the likes of this country has never seen before.

But fuck it, we need a second revolution anyways. Our system is broken. Trump or not, it's broken all the way through.
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I strooooongly suspect you're gonna be very disappointed on the 6th.

I however will be laughing my ass off and mocking most of the Trump supporters here. :D

I have great faith that this pathetically inept attempt at what increasingly looks to all the world like a coup will fail, and America will be victorious.
 
JessFR said:
Bahahaha. Oh the 6th can't come fast enough.

Very dramatic. THA WAR HAS ONLY JUST BEGUN!

You lost guys... You lost. You lost hard. The electoral college voted against you. Your lawsuits were thrown out.

Id say this is pathetic (and it is) , but it's actually really serious. This is why I referred to trump supporters as traitors. If you believe in using force to change the result of the election, in defiance of the lawful systems, authority, and will of the people.... You're a traitor. You're a traitor to your country.

What other word is there? If you hold no regard to the laws or systems that run your country. And you try to use force to remove them and institute your own authority by force. That's treason, what else can you possibly describe it as?

Just for the record. Protesting isn't treason, God no. But using force to affect the institution of a government that doesn't follow the fundamental rules of the country? That is.
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Treason can be defined as many things. What you see as treason is not what I see as treason.

Even if Trump did forcefully keep office - NOTHING BAD WOULD HAPPEN IN THAT TIME FRAME.

That's the difference of what you don't understand is his goal is not to be the next Hitler Lol. It isn't the 1940's he would get taken out if he tried that.

I don't support any of this by the way, I don't support Trump calling his supporters, I think it's horrible idea, but I think something had to be done but ain't it.

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My curiosity lies in which politicians, military personnel, government agencies like FBI, CIA, etc. still remain on Trumps side?

Because guess what Jess, if enough of the things I just listed are backing Trump and the fact this election was rigged -

your precious dementia patient won't get near the Oval Office.

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And im with ya I agree this is insanity. But this country has been plummeting for a long time.

I won't call us the greatest nation in the world anymore - I don't believe that to be true for a second.
 
Oh sorry I deleted that post cause I thought I might be pushing harder than was deserved.

Ok so here's how I see this boiling down.

Violent uprising is acceptable in only one situation. Where the government has become corrupted to the point that peaceful change is impossible.

If you do it when that isn't the case. It doesn't matter how bad the governments operating, if elections are working (and all the credible evidence says they are), and you try and have a violent uprising. That's insurrection.

If you wage war against America... And you're an American. That's treason..

Ultimately whoever the military supports wins. And the military will follow the constitution. I strongly believe the rest of the executive will do the same.

Trumps efforts to politicize and take them over have not been nearly successful enough to stage a successful coup.

I am highly certain that on the 20th the entire establishment will cease following trumps orders and start following Bidens.
 
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JessFR said:
Oh sorry I deleted that post cause I thought I might be pushing harder than was deserved.

Ok so here's how I see this boiling down.

Violent uprising is acceptable in only one situation. Where the government has become corrupted to the point that peaceful change is impossible.

If you do it when that isn't the case. It doesn't matter how bad the governments operating, if elections are working (and all the credible evidence says they are), and you try and have a violent uprising. That's insurrection.

If you wage war against America... And you're an American. That's treason..
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I agree but these people see Biden as unamerican - and they maybe right who knows? it's possibl he's basically a infiltrated Chines loyalist.

When the government fails it's people - it is time for an uprising.

The US started failing it's people long before Trump's presidency.

But I agree Jess - we should never try to start a civil war unless things are absolutely at the darkest of darks. Like say Trump refuses to leave office and calls for military to defend him and kill anyone who tries to stop them.

That would be fucking scary and Treason to America.
 
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