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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Nobody is talking about mandatory vaccines, let alone worldwide mandatory vaccines. I am a nurse. I work in a hospital.

Really? That's awesome. I assume you're a male nurse yeah? That's even more awesome. :D what a cool job.

Oh and in answer to Grimez question. Yes. Provided I'm not ineligible or something for whatever vaccine winds up on offer here, soon as it's available I'll be getting it. And I'd encourage everyone else to do the same, again provided they aren't ineligible for whatever reason.

And yeah. If you work in health, unless you're ineligible, you should have to get the vaccine or quit your job.

And as for the military, presumably the government doesn't want soldiers getting potentially very sick all at once. Which seems perfectly sensible.

Again nobody made you join. There's no conscription.
 
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Nobody is talking about mandatory vaccines, let alone worldwide mandatory vaccines. I am a nurse. I work in a hospital.
Yes they are, when we predicted this at the start of the year people called us crazy conspiracy theorists. Now Qantas are saying you won't be able to fly on their airline without being vaccinated. That's just the beginning. "Health passports" are already becoming a thing. This mindset y'all have of "well if you don't wanna be vaccinated then you're just going to be denied all basic services and that's the right of the private companies" - that type of thinking is forced vaccinations, you just don't realize it.

I do predict this global mandate will fail (there's already pushback and govts walking stuff back) but it's shocking that they'd even suggest the entire world be vaccinated for a virus with a 99.97% survival rate for most people.

Not to mention this is a fast-tracked, brand new experimental vaccine never before tested on humans.
 
So this virus has a 99.97% recovery rate and even 94.6% among the most elderly.
Do you support mandating the vaccine globally? If not, you shouldn't take it, mass non-compliance is the only way that we can object to a global mandate.
You don't need to answer but what field do you work in?
A friend is a US pilot and he doesn't want to take it but doesn't want to lose his job either. I think it's despicable that they are basically forcing people to take it.
A world with one less disease would be wonderful.

You are forgetting there are 8 billion people so the actual numbers of dead bodies piling up (which some countries. i.e. Iran, China... don't put on the official record books).

You can read the science about the vaccine. Trust it or don't, that simple.

Your friend could get a job where he is self-employed, owns his own plane, and does private rides around Alaska or something. He still has marketable skills. I don't think it's a great injustice to mandate he get vaccinated.

No one's coming to take our guns, and vaccines are not to sterilize us. A sterilized generation would not make sense whatsoever in any context or sense.
 
Does anyone on this forum plan to take it?
Yes, the data in support of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is robust and I will take it at the first opportunity, barring any significant unexpected complications becoming apparent in the interim.

This mindset y'all have of "well if you don't wanna be vaccinated then you're just going to be denied all basic services and that's the right of the private companies" - that type of thinking is forced vaccinations, you just don't realize it.
I agree with you here. Vaccines should not be allowed to be mandatory to access basic services like grocery stores. But for non-essential private businesses, such as the pilot example you mentioned, that's the business's prerogative.
 
JGrimez said:
Yes they are, when we predicted this at the start of the year people called us crazy conspiracy theorists. Now Qantas are saying you won't be able to fly on their airline without being vaccinated. That's just the beginning. "Health passports" are already becoming a thing. This mindset y'all have of "well if you don't wanna be vaccinated then you're just going to be denied all basic services and that's the right of the private companies" - that type of thinking is forced vaccinations, you just don't realize it.

I do predict this global mandate will fail (there's already pushback and govts walking stuff back) but it's shocking that they'd even suggest the entire world be vaccinated for a virus with a 99.97% survival rate for most people.

Not to mention this is a fast-tracked, brand new experimental vaccine never before tested on humans.

If all airlines maintain mandatory vaccinations indefinitely (they won't) I would agree with you. Qantas is a private company. The government can't dictate what private companies do. Grocery stores are never going to demand vaccination certificates. It makes sense (to me, personally) that airlines wouldn't want to spread the virus across the world at this point. Once all the vulnerable people have access to vaccinations (like with the flu vaccinations) they will ease up.

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I assume you're a male nurse yeah? That's even more awesome.

As of last week, male head nurse I'll have you know. ;)

I'm breaking through the matriarchy.
Female privilege be damned!
 
As of last week, male head nurse I'll have you know. ;)

I'm breaking through the matriarchy.
Female privilege be damned!

Congrats! Male nurses are awesome! Fight the matriarchy! Men can be great nurses too damnit!

I wish I could be a male nurse, but I'm unqualified on both counts. :( <3

EDIT: outa curiosity, how female dominated is it? Like, do you have other men you work with?
 
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@birdup.snaildown there any truth to that from your experience? Them preferring to hire women that is?

That's retarded if it's actually true.

I'll point out though that I've never said white men have it better in every situation and every context all the time. The existence of exceptions in no way disproves my arguments.
 
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outa curiosity, how female dominated is it? Like, do you have other men you work with?

There are no other male nurses in the ward I run, but I have worked with other males.

JessFR said:
there any truth to that from your experience? Them preferring to hire women that is?

Depends on the situation. If you work for an agency and visit people's houses for example then there's a real demand for male nurses. In a hospital setting it is definitely a disadvantage.
 
Enforced mask wearing and temporary business capacity restrictions, aka, Communism. Soon to be led by the biggest Communist in America, Joe Biden, the guy as conservative as the Republican party was back before we entered the Twilight Zone.
 
"temporary business capacity restrictions" nice communist spin on the actual destruction of economies and livelihoods of the middle-class
 
That's why they should have kept up the economic relief. It IS temporary, sometime next year it will be over. Lots of businesses are still able to stay open. It's awful that they only gave 25% of the paycheck protection program money to small businesses. Then they cut it off completely. That was fucked and I blame congress for that. Unemployment is high, no doubt, but it's only around 10% right now. Yes, for sure some people have been ruined, and that is awful, and wasn't necessary, it was shortsighted to suddenly become concerned about government spending NOW of all times. If we supported businesses and individuals through this, we'd be in a much better position coming out of this.

I think some states were too draconean, but how to handle this, in America, is left up to each state. My state and town have done a really good job, my town was thanked by the governor in a public address for being a model of what towns/cities should do. We have 99% of people following mask guidelines. Most businesses are open. We even have tons of tourists still, but businesses enforce masks or make you get out. We have relatively few cases despite all the through traffic. Meanwhile some other nearby places are faring much worse, because everywhere around my town is super conservative and very vocal about supporting Trump, and lots of people refuse to modify their behavior in public at all because freedom. My town is super liberal and people are taking it seriously, and as a result we haven't had any hard lockdowns at all because we don't have a worrying number of daily new cases. Business is fairly normal around here honestly, other than wearing masks and reduced capacity for restaurants. What I am seeing around me is temporary capacity reductions, and enforced mask wearing. A few places have gone out of business, which sucks and I hate that it happened. I can go anywhere at any time of the day and no one is going to try to arrest me or anything. Places where you can get arrested for being outside have gone way too far.

Maybe I live in a bubble and it's fucked elsewhere. I think various governments worldwide have been too draconean, but my state, in America, actually has done a good job, in my opinion.

A big part of increased lockdown measures is the new cases approaching the level where it becomes out of control. So refusing to wear masks in public is just making the thing you're protesting worse. When the number of daily new cases rises, you get shut down worse. When it doesn't, you get restrictions eased. This is hardly how it would work if there was a sinister government plot to destroy the middle class and small businesses. No, this is simply a sensible (and in some jurisdictions, not entirely sensible) means of reacting to a global pandemic, which, yeah, is not super deadly, but it's some 33 times as deadly as the flu, and in vulnerable people it's much worse. And some people have long-lasting aftereffects like no longer being able to smell or taste... some people still can't. It's a serious disease. Some people don't have symptoms or just mild symptoms, but some people say it's the sickest they've ever been in their lives and it was horrible, and lasted for weeks. This whole thing was a test of the world's ability to handle a global pandemic. There has been learning along the way. The purpose of these regulations is to limit the number of people dying and suffering from a dangerous virus whose long-term ramifications can't possibly be understood yet, not to destroy the middle class.
 
It's my God given right as an American to infect as many people as I like! Noone has the right to say I can't wear a mask, especially not private business!

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to sue the government for not letting me exercise my rights as a private business to deny service to the gays!
 
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