JessFR
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You only think the lockdown worked because as soon as the lockdown started it started working. That doesn't prove anything! :D
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You only think the lockdown worked because as soon as the lockdown started it started working. That doesn't prove anything! :D
You could very well be right. The above post is very out of ordinary for me..
Completely hypocritical but I thought I should mention I have been/am very against the measures Victorians were put threw.
I even got fined for attending an anti-lockdown protest in the CBD.
So I definitely dont agree with it, but still would be in favor of saying well it does work.
Your point is correct..but the way I see it if it has to be a yes or no answer than No is not applicable only leaving yes remainding
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but was it worth it?You could very well be right. The above post is very out of ordinary for me..
Completely hypocritical but I thought I should mention I have been/am very against the measures Victorians were put threw.
I even got fined for attending an anti-lockdown protest in the CBD.
So I definitely dont agree with it, but still would be in favor of saying well it does work.
Your point is correct..but the way I see it if it has to be a yes or no answer than No is not applicable only leaving yes remainding
That really has been the crux of the issue for me, lockdowns have limited effect they change the direction of transmission whilst reducing the r0 a bit, that is why there is no significant difference between states that locked down and those that didn't. There are alternatives that work as well which don't cause a whole bunch of other people to die unneccesarily form treatable conditions.
I have news for you, as I am sure you are aware nCoV will pop up again in Victoria, probably sooner rather than later the virus doesn't care and you have to go through this whole pointless shit again. At most lockdown is can kicking.
There absolutely will indeed be future cases. However with the measures in place regarding whos allowed into Australia and the process as well as advanced (and experienced now) contact tracing any outbreaks should be small and controllable..
Key word *should*..
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No longer a conspiracy theory: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announces COVID-19 pandemic an
No longer a conspiracy theory: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announces COVID-19 pandemic andistributednews.com
For once im actually impressed with our PM. This is what Australia thinks of a 'Global Reset'
birdup.snaildown
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novaveritas said:
Nope. Rates have gone up significantly in some situations, where mistakes were made and/or the post lock-down has not been maintained properly. This happened in Victoria Australia but it didn't happen in other New Zealand or other Australian states.
novaveritas said:
Not a single US state has done lock-down successfully. That doesn't mean it doesn't work. The lock-downs weren't hard enough. They did them too late. There was no state co-ordination and they all fucked up containing the virus post lock-down. (See my above answer.)
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It studied maths at university.
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Of course you don't. You see what you want to see.
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Respect is earned.
birdup.snaildown
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novaveritas said:
As @andyturbo said, Australia has learnt from their mistakes. They are on top of every outbreak. I don't think they will have a third wave in Victoria or a second wave in any other state. New Zealand hasn't had a second wave and Australia is following our method. Time will tell.
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Actually, what I see is absolutely, categorically, and horrifically in every sense and from every angle, what I absolutely DO NOT WANT to see.
But I just cannot help seeing it crystally clearly, plain as day, like so many other non brainwashed people (not directing that at you), exactly what is going in, and has been very cleverly schemed for a very long time.
Now I know you are not in any way drawn into so labelled conspiracy theories, and I'm not suggesting you are closed or even narrow minded at all.
But I just watched a very interesting short little clip with David Icke really precisely and articulately putting this long contrived cunning scheme's basic concept, structure, mode of operandum, and ultimate purpose in a nutshell.
I share here because it's a perfect concise, clear description of it all exactly- where it all came from, how it was developed in stages,,where we are right now, and where we are headed.
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I myself stand 100% with @JGrimez and @novaveritas on this. Great points spelled out very well guys thanks.
We can only speak pur minds (for now) but expecting agreement is futile.
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birdup.snaildown
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Gnostic Bishop said:
I already have.
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birdup.snaildown
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AutoTripper said:
Wasn't he the guy that said lizard people are among us?
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If you believe lock-downs don't work, you believe that because you don't want to go into lock-down... and I understand that. Everyone does. Lock-down sucks. But whether or not lock-down sucks has no bearing on whether or not it can work if implemented properly. There is clearly evidence in many countries that it can work. If you insist otherwise, you are seeing what you want to see.
Does that make sense?
birdup.snaildown
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I don't like Biden or Trudeau very much, but I don't understand what upsets people so much about their plans to reset their economies. Can you be specific about what concerns you with Canada's 'Global Reset' plans?
PS. Sky News is at least as bad as Fox News. That fat fuck that always says "mayte" and "blimey" and "too right!" is probably the worst news commentator I've ever seen in any country. He makes Tucker Carlson and Bill O'Reilly look like journalists. He's like a fictional character in that Simpsons spoof of Australia. Every time I hear him speak, I cringe. He's one step away from wearing a singlet and holding a stubby.
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Even if they had, it's not going to be effective for very long unless you also close the border to neighboring states. As Australia has done in such cases.
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What's crazy about him is that (decades ago, mind you) he predicted what is happening to our world right now (which is happening under the guise of 'fighting the virus').
Very soon (hopefully very soon) you will realize that all of these new global rules actually are not about combating a virus.
Some of us realized us this very early on, some of us later once we were puzzled by the absurdity of many of the rules, but some other people do not want to admit or face the reality of what's happening so they will double-down and continue believing that snitching on your neighbours for having 7 family members in their houses, or closing interstate borders so that a lone girl cannot attend the funeral of her father (while in the same city 30,000+ people attend a sporting event) makes perfect sense - for protecting the public from a virus which is so deadly that the most common symptom is someone saying they feel completely fine.
While I am moderately surprised that you still cling to the belief of "lockdowns are good", what surprises me the most is that you are actually actively arguing FOR lockdowns. This I simply cannot fathom, do you think you're doing what's best for the world by supporting lockdowns? I guess you do believe that otherwise you wouldn't be support these measures.
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I'm not disputing your sense, logical thinking ability, or intellect.
But what I see, and again not by desire, is us as a race being very cleverly, massively manipulated, lied to and deceived.
The mainstream evidence I just don't trust one percent. I wish it was true to be truly honest. I would feel a lot happier to know, or believe, that we are not being blindfoldly led into a tight little pigpen under cunning, long-plotted false guise and trickery.
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Honestly - it is simply too frightening for people to accept.
Even when the evidence is right in front of our faces.
There actually being a global cabal pressuring nations to enact these control measures - and after someone has been ridiculing the idea of "covert global goverment" for years, it's not easy to all of a sudden accept that they were wrong and that this is actually happening.
Well it's fucking happening. So the quicker you all wake up, get over your egos, accept what is going on and actively resist it -the quicker we will go back to normal. Because otherwise, if we all just do what the government says and accept all the new rules, then we will be entering a new world that you will not enjoy.
Even when the evidence is right in front of our faces.
There actually being a global cabal pressuring nations to enact these control measures - and after someone has been ridiculing the idea of "covert global goverment" for years, it's not easy to all of a sudden accept that they were wrong and that this is actually happening.
Well it's fucking happening. So the quicker you all wake up, get over your egos, accept what is going on and actively resist it -the quicker we will go back to normal. Because otherwise, if we all just do what the government says and accept all the new rules, then we will be entering a new world that you will not enjoy.
birdup.snaildown
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I forget sometimes that you're all on drugs.
He made so many predictions one of them was bound to be right, but this one isn't it.
I never said lock-downs were good. I said (when properly done) they are demonstrably effective in reducing case numbers and death rates. I have repeatedly said that I think it is impossible at this stage to effectively lock-down the USA and probably impossible even if they did it early.
Lock-down isn't for everyone. That doesn't mean it can't work when implemented correctly. I'm not arguing for lock-downs. NZ has already been locked down and so has Australia. Most people I love in the world are in these two countries, so I honestly don't care much about the rest of the world. We are over-populated. If a virus comes along that spares my friends and family and kills 50% of the rest of the world, I can live with that.
I don't believe everything is a conspiracy, because I don't smoke meth anymore and I haven't had an acid overdose for a couple of years.
World government is inevitable. We aren't anywhere near that level of peace and unity, but hopefully we will be at some stage in the future. I'm not afraid of a world government. I don't live in fear. Perhaps that makes me ignorant, but (at the end of the day) my life is good and I sleep well believing that everything will be okay.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Spending my life worrying about conspiracy theories isn't going to have any impact on the outcome either way. I'm just a guy on a little farm outside of Wellington. I've got better things to do than get my knickers in a twist.
On the other hand, if you're wrong you spent a lot of time stressing about nothing... and, again, it has no bearing on the outcome.
All you have to fear is fear itself.
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He made so many predictions one of them was bound to be right, but this one isn't it.
JGrimez said:
I never said lock-downs were good. I said (when properly done) they are demonstrably effective in reducing case numbers and death rates. I have repeatedly said that I think it is impossible at this stage to effectively lock-down the USA and probably impossible even if they did it early.
Lock-down isn't for everyone. That doesn't mean it can't work when implemented correctly. I'm not arguing for lock-downs. NZ has already been locked down and so has Australia. Most people I love in the world are in these two countries, so I honestly don't care much about the rest of the world. We are over-populated. If a virus comes along that spares my friends and family and kills 50% of the rest of the world, I can live with that.
I don't believe everything is a conspiracy, because I don't smoke meth anymore and I haven't had an acid overdose for a couple of years.
World government is inevitable. We aren't anywhere near that level of peace and unity, but hopefully we will be at some stage in the future. I'm not afraid of a world government. I don't live in fear. Perhaps that makes me ignorant, but (at the end of the day) my life is good and I sleep well believing that everything will be okay.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Spending my life worrying about conspiracy theories isn't going to have any impact on the outcome either way. I'm just a guy on a little farm outside of Wellington. I've got better things to do than get my knickers in a twist.
On the other hand, if you're wrong you spent a lot of time stressing about nothing... and, again, it has no bearing on the outcome.
All you have to fear is fear itself.
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At the end of the day, the US has learnt nothing. If a virus comes along that is much deadlier than this one (and it probably will) you guys will be two steps behind. NZ has used COVID-19 as a training exercise for a future disaster. You guys have spent your time foolishly arguing politics and conspiracies. No offense.
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The USA never locked down. Americans like to whine as if we had, but in fact there was very little enforcement. State borders were not closed. In my town we still got a flood of Fall tourists like every year. During the original NYC outbreak, we had tons of New Yorkers come through, more than usual. You go into the grocery store and like half the people aren't wearing masks (much less than that in many places). In the Dakotas, everyone is still talking about how the virus is a hoax, even as they are facing a massive outbreak. We pretended to lock down and a bunch of loud people outraged at having to pretend to lock down made a lot of noise about how horribly our rights were being violated.
You can't use the USA as an example of lockdowns not working.
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I was just talking to my girlfriend about this today while we were hiking (hiking always makes me want to talk about the state of the world and humanity). With how we handled this virus, I am going to be really scared if an actually substantially deadly virus with more than a half a percent fatality rate comes through. We're going to have hordes of angry people shouting about unconstitutional mask mandates even as they drop like flies.
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