Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[Deleted member 521610]

what realities of life do they know that I don't?

living under communism like castro etc.

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

Let's not forget Trump held dangerous rallies. Was anti mask.

Only for him to catch covid, and end up broke. Begging for $$$$$

Also let's not forget he was born with a silver spoon, was sent to boarding school since he was a spoiled brat.

He is also a draft dodger. Bone spurs? I understand why since watching him golf you see he isn't wearing a girdle and his fat stomach is hanging all over. He would of gotten rocked. And was so so so scared to actually fight. Total pussy.

The guy is the weakest leader ever. Only people that voted for him are people that live in the boonies. He lost every big city.

Support who you want. It no longer matters. Trump is out...

As for the Biden pedophile nonsense. Unlikely you would know the pain of losing your wife and daughter in a car accident.

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

Oh and how many people got regeneron? 0. You know he was preloading that ticker only to mention it, see an instant 6% pump, then sell the next day.

He is a total scumbag.

Luckily no trump supporters in my circle. They were all cut last year.

They were all delusional anyway, on so many meds.

I been wondering what makes a trump supporter a trump supporter. It becomes clearer by the day. Only the greedy, the delusional, and the low IQ (inbreds from the Bible belt) support this guy.

 

[Deru]

I thought this was a good and informative article by AP News in regards to some of the debate going on as of late:

EXPLAINER: Why do the media call races in US elections?

By ALEXANDRA OLSON and DAVID KOENIG
November 11, 2020

Fifty-one separate elections — one in each state and one in Washington, DC. Each with different rules and regulations, and no national elections commission to tell the world who wins. How, then, to quickly and accurately determine who won the highest office in the land?

That’s where the news media come in — and have done so since 1848, when The Associated Press declared the election of Zachary Taylor as president.

The Electoral College actually chooses the president under the U.S. Constitution, acting in a process that starts with the popular vote across the republic. But its work takes weeks. In that strange vacuum created by a federalist system and worsened — in the 1800s — by the slow counting and communicating of returns, news organizations emerged as major players in first, collecting and adding together the vote from each state’s election officials around the country, then announcing the victor based on that vote count.

Lots of people seem surprised by that these days, including President Donald Trump. After The Associated Press and the major U.S. television networks called the presidential race for Democrat Joe Biden, Trump tweeted: Since when does the media “call who the next president will be”?

Here’s a look at how that system came to be.

The expectation of same-day election results is a modern one, as is the notion of one single Election Day.

The founding fathers designed the Electoral College — a series of state elections to pick the president — partly because keeping power in the states was the only way to guarantee some states would ratify the Constitution, says Alex Keyssar, a voting-rights expert at Harvard University. Since the Civil War, he says, rural and especially Southern politicians have objected to giving any power over elections to the federal government.

Early in U.S. history, elections took place over many days, and not all states voted on the same day. It was the advent of the telegraph – and worries that results in one state might influence another – that led to a single presidential election day, according to David Greenberg, a Rutgers University history and journalism professor.

Once a presidential election ends, each state chooses its representatives to the Electoral College — a number based on the size of each state’s population and how many representatives and senators it has in Congress. Those representatives, who are sworn to vote for the candidate who got the most votes in that state, don’t vote until Dec. 14.

The president of the senate and the archivist must receive certificates recording the electoral vote results no later than the fourth Wednesday in December — this year, Dec. 23. The results of each state’s electoral votes are then sent to the newly elected Congress, which is set to meet in a joint session on Jan. 6 and announce the results.

THE MEDIA’S ROLE

It evolved from an instinct to report the news, but mostly because Americans didn’t want to wait to find out the results until mid-December.

Against the reality of the decentralized government structure, no one but the media has been willing to take on the cost of tabulating votes, says Rick Edmonds, a media business analyst at the Poynter Institute for Media Studies. The Federal Election Commission regulates some aspects of elections but doesn’t tabulate votes. So the vacuum remained between individual states’ results and the country’s collective decision.

AP’s role collecting vote counts and analyzing the data predates the Civil War. U.S. television networks began doing their own analyses in the 1960 race between Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy, examining data and calling winners one state at a time.

This year’s effort was complicated by the coronavirus pandemic. People chose to vote early or by mail, producing a slower vote count in some states. The race was also close in many states, which makes ascertaining a winner more slow. The major networks and the AP called the presidential race on Saturday, four days after Election Day.

HOW RACES ARE CALLED

AP uses a 50-state network of freelance “stringers” who collect votes from county clerks and other local officials. Other AP journalists gather results from state or county websites, as well as via electronic data feeds from states.

News organizations around the world that take AP use this count to report on results. Meanwhile, state-based analysts and editors on AP’s Decision Desk look at that vote count — combined with research including demographic data, voting history and statistics about advance voting — to declare winners.

On Saturday morning, the AP declared Democrat Joe Biden the winner after determining he had won the race in Pennsylvania, which pushed him over the 270 electoral votes needed. Major U.S. television networks follow roughly the same process, using either AP’s vote count or another vote count to call races.

“The plus of having the free press do this is that the free press is free and independent, at least in theory,” Keyssar says. “But it has no official status, and thus its conclusions are not binding on anyone. That is creating confusion as we speak.”

There are no major efforts afoot to have anyone else do it.

WHAT IF IT’S WRONG?

Mistakes and glitches have happened.

In 1948, the Chicago Daily Tribune famously plastered “Dewey Defeats Truman” across the front page of its first edition when early numbers made it look like Thomas Dewey was ahead. But the tide turned, and President Harry S. Truman defied pollsters by scoring an upset victory.

In 2000, the major TV networks and the AP called Florida for Democrat Al Gore, relying largely on Election Day polling. As the votes were counted everyone reversed course. The networks declared that Republican George W. Bush had carried the state, only to later retract that decision, too. The AP held off on making the second call, deeming the race too close. More than a month later, a 5-4 U.S. Supreme Court stopped a recount and locked in Bush’s narrow victory

LEGAL CHALLENGES

The Trump campaign has vowed to challenge Biden’s victory in the courts. On Monday, Attorney General William Barr authorized federal prosecutors across the U.S. to pursue “substantial allegations,” if they exist, of voting irregularities before the Electoral College certifies the election. His memo identified no specific instances of alleged fraud.

AP’s Decision Desk takes legal challenges and disputes into consideration when determining if a race is safe to call, says Sally Buzbee, executive editor of the AP.

Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani was holding a news conference in Philadelphia on Saturday to discuss the fraud claims when he learned the AP and other networks had called the race for Biden. He pointed out that media has no official role in deciding who becomes the U.S. president.

That’s true. But Edmonds said he expects the practice of race-calling to continue. It’s entrenched, he says, and while he believes that news organizations can improve methods, “I don’t see a case that the system didn’t work.”

 

[JessFR]

Trump tweeted: Since when does the media “call who the next president will be”?

I've always found this funny and hypocritical.

Apart from seeming like trump is ignorant of how elections have worked for a very long time.

Trump had zero problem with this practice when it declared him winner and he wasted no time repeating it.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

I thought this was a good and informative article by AP News in regards to some of the debate going on as of late:

I like history, so thanks for sharing that. Unfortunately, in today's world, the MSM will present what they want you to believe rather than what actually happens. Ergo, they can't be trusted. At least, that's my experience.

 

[JessFR]

I like history, so thanks for sharing that. Unfortunately, in today's world, the MSM will present what they want you to believe rather than what actually happens. Ergo, they can't be trusted. At least, that's my experience.

Ffs, the mainstream media declared trump winner. Obama invited him to the white house 2 days after it was called.

So this is complete bullshit. It's not that "the media might not be telling the truth", it's "the media might not be telling me what I want to hear".

As I said earlier. Trump fans don't like the reality, and they're too lame to do drugs like normal people who hate reality, so they just make up conspiracies.

It's so hypocritical.

Trump fans didn't wait to call trump the winner. They didn't go "oh we can't trust the media we need to wait".

This is just more hypocrisy.

 

[Droppersneck]

Droppers if I say something offensive, try not to take it too personally. I'm just kinda on edge right now.

You might be afraid of "the establishment" stealing the election from trump. I'm afraid that this represents the beginning of the end of western democratic values and the rise of a new nationalist political force confirming that we've forgotten everything we learned from world War 2.

So no matter what the truth is this feels high stakes for me too.

Being diligent and proving to the other side that nothing nefarious happened, isn’t gonna cause the fall of western civilization. I’m very pro trump and anti establishment, if they go through the legal battles and shit shakes out joe I’m good, and I suspect that’s the majorities opinion. The right doesn’t upset the apple cart, they take it on the chin and move on ime.

 

[JessFR]

Being diligent and proving to the other side that nothing nefarious happened, isn’t gonna cause the fall of western civilization. I’m very pro trump and anti establishment, if they go through the legal battles and shit shakes out joe I’m good, and I suspect that’s the majorities opinion. The right doesn’t upset the apple cart, they take it on the chin and move on ime.

That's all fine, and I'd be happy to have to court battles if I thought it made any difference. But I'm pretty certain when the courts throw these lawsuits out for lack of evidence all I'm gonna hear is that the courts are corrupt and "in on it" too.

 

[Droppersneck]

That's all fine, and I'd be happy to have to court battles if I thought it made any difference. But I'm pretty certain when the courts throw these lawsuits out for lack of evidence all I'm gonna hear is that the courts are corrupt and "in on it" too.

when people like me lose faith in the election system then there is going to be problems. I have half a mind to just buy Bullets instead of voting, in the future. Trust me the court battles are necessary and make a massive difference with the perception, at least with anti establishment people like me that despise the media, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, the military industrial complex, and all the rest of it.

 

[alasdairm]

i tend to agree @JessFR

the counting continues... if the certified election results go the way they look like they're going - i.e. biden wins ga, pa, az and trump wins nc - then it's 306 to 232.

biden beats trump in a "landslide".

alasdair

 

[JessFR]

i tend to agree @JessFR

the counting continues... if the certified election results go the way they look like they're going - i.e. biden wins ga, pa, az and trump wins nc - then it's 306 to 232.

biden beats trump in a "landslide".

alasdair

I wouldn't go quite as far as calling it a landslide, but it is in fact a superior victory than trumps own victory in 2016.

 

[novaveritas]

Ffs, the mainstream media declared trump winner. Obama invited him to the white house 2 days after it was called.

So this is complete bullshit. It's not that "the media might not be telling the truth", it's "the media might not be telling me what I want to hear".

As I said earlier. Trump fans Jews don't like the reality, and they're too lame to do drugs like normal people who hate reality, so they just make up conspiracies.

It's so hypocritical.

Trump fans Jews didn't wait to call trump the winner. They didn't go "oh we can't trust the media we need to wait".

This is just more hypocrisy.

Took the liberty of altering your post to make a point about labeling and collectively denigrating a group. Hating one group of people based on your own prejudice of what that group is about, leads to a very dark mindspace. TDS has gotten people badly and taken them to strange hate filled places. History will tell you a bunch of lawyers arguing over voting machines and sharpie markers is not the Kristallnacht, the Anschluss or the even a Munich Putsch.

Have patience, the show has to go on. It is part of the process. If you think it is a foregone conclusion OK you must have more information than the rest of us, but if you don't, reserve judgement. Let the courts have their say because one thing is for certain Trumps team will more likely listen to the courts than to you.

FWIW Trump has been a great disappointment all round. Meet the new boss man, the same as the old boss. I suspect Biden will be exactly the same once they show him the real JFK film in the basement of the WH. In no time at all (Uncle) Joe Biden will be a bombin, writing crime bills, caging immigrant kids, bailin out the banks and so on. Nothing you or I can do about it.

 

[alasdairm]

I wouldn't go quite as far as calling it a landslide...

oh, neither would i, but those aren't my words.

in 2016 president trump beat hillary clinton by exactly the same margin - 306 to 232 - and described his win as "a landslide".



so, if he won 2016 in a landslide, he lost 2020 in a landslide

alasdair

 

[OcCo]

FWIW Trump has been a great disappointment all round. Meet the new boss man, the same as the old boss. I suspect Biden will be exactly the same once they show him the real JFK film in the basement of the WH. In no time at all (Uncle) Joe Biden will be a bombin, writing crime bills, caging immigrant kids, bailin out the banks and so on. Nothing you or I can do about it.

He's been in Washington for 48 years, what makes you think he is gonna do all those things he promised and why now?

Luckily no trump supporters in my circle. They were all cut last year.

They were all delusional anyway, on so many meds.

I been wondering what makes a trump supporter a trump supporter. It becomes clearer by the day. Only the greedy, the delusional, and the low IQ (inbreds from the Bible belt) support this guy.

Being not from the US I find the irony totally lost on liberals who preach social justice noncence* and then denigrate trump supporters the same way you just did it reminds me of what happened in the end days of Rome when the elite blamed the bottom rung for the misgivings of the empire. It would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad as it truly shows America's days are long over, Biden supporters behave culturally left wing yet there politics couldnt be further apart its bizarre to watch left wing protesters actually supporting the new party of war and be backed by corporations. Consumerist Left wing nonsense its infuriating to watch for anyone who actually considers themselves a socialist.

*Yes I spelt that wrong as Biden is an actual nonse and I find it funny how you excuse someones suspect behaviour not just around children but women oh I forgot women should be believed unless the accused is one of our guys. Also by saying how would you cope with losing your wife and family... wasnt that 3 decades ago and your saying that excuses being a possible pedophile... seriously flawed logic.

 

[JessFR]

oh, neither would i, but those aren't my words.

in 2016 president trump beat hillary clinton by exactly the same margin - 306 to 232 - and described his win as "a landslide".



so, if he won 2016 in a landslide, he lost 2020 in a landslide

alasdair

Yeaaaah but trumps a bold faced liar.
I think it's time we returned to a better time. When politicians only lied about stuff we couldn't effortlessly prove to be wrong.

 

[Droppersneck]

I like how Orwellian the neo liberal establishment presses lies have gotten. Snopes rated Bidens son smoking crack as “mostly false”, bc it was meth. True but it perfectly shows how deceptive they are. Also when you own the bulk of the establishment media you can push conspiracy theories and get very little push back, Russia collusion being a big one. Won’t say right wing media isn’t as ridiculous, but are a niche market where neo liberals basically run the show.

 

[alasdairm]

trump is not a liar! the relentlessly honest white house press secretary said he never lies! and she never lies so i don't know what you're talking about...

alasdair

 

[JessFR]

I like how Orwellian the neo liberal establishment presses lies have gotten. Snopes rated Bidens son smoking crack as “mostly false”, bc it was meth. True but it perfectly shows how deceptive they are. Also when you own the bulk of the establishment media you can push conspiracy theories and get very little push back, Russia collusion being a big one. Won’t say right wing media isn’t as ridiculous, but are a niche market where neo liberals basically run the show.

Far as I can tell that never happened. It's simply false.

Unless you can find a copy or archived copy from a reliable source of the original snopes article.

But while we're on the subject, I wanna say thay it really disgusts me how people attack hunter Bidens drug problems. And it disgusts me even more than bluelighters do it.

The reasons should be pretty fucking obvious. Not to mention that we were never electing hunter Biden.

 

[JessFR]

trump is not a liar! the relentlessly honest white house press secretary said he never lies! and she never lies so i don't know what you're talking about...

alasdair

Trump is not a liar, reality itself changes to match his claims! :D

I think this is what hardcore trump supporters really believe in practice. I mean they're happy enough to just say "x is true", and then say any evidence of the reverse is part of an inhumanly complex conspiracy, while 4 Chan posts are reliable journalism.

Plus anyone willing to attack people by saying "that persons family has a drug user in it!" is just all around horrible.